GA - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 10 counts in 2020 election interference, violation of RICO Act, 14 Aug 2023

[MyBelle]

There can't be an indictment without probable cause that crimes were committed so it's just not true to say Trump's phone call wasn't a crime. It's alleged to have been just that.

Obviously it doesn't mean Trump's guilty - that's for the trial to determine - but in the same vein, it is at best, disingenous to claim Trump did nothing wrong in that phone call.

JMO

BBM. Ever heard the expression "A DA could indict a ham sandwich?

Freedom of speech is disingenuous? I seriously doubt a jury will agree.

JMO

 

[JerseyGirl]

Roger Stone Recorded Details of Fake Electors Plot Days After 2020 Election: Report

A video obtained by MSNBC shows former Trump advisor Roger Stone laying out a plan to subvert the Electoral College before the election was even called.

www.rollingstone.com

In the video, Roger Stone, speaking slowly to an associate who is transcribing his words, states that “the final decision as to who the state legislatures authorize the send to the electoral college is a decision made solely by the legislature.”

“Any legislative body may decide on the basis of overwhelming evidence of fraud to send electors to the electoral college who accurately reflect the president’s legitimate victory in their state, which was illegally denied him through fraud,” Stone adds.

Stone concludes by asserting that “we must prepare to lobby our Republican legislatures, by personal contact, and by demonstrating the overwhelming will of the people in their states — in each state — that this may need to happen.”

https://x.com/thebeatwithari/status/1691935482836377816?s=46&t=Di_WPbatD_q3Nja0IAGatQ

While Stone is not a defendant in the indictment, it does mention 30 unnamed unindicted co-conspirators, and focuses heavily on the plot to use fake electors to subvert the results of the vote in key battleground states.

 

[ilovewings]

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Good one!!!!!

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Roger Stone Recorded Details of Fake Electors Plot Days After 2020 Election: Report

A video obtained by MSNBC shows former Trump advisor Roger Stone laying out a plan to subvert the Electoral College before the election was even called.

www.rollingstone.com

In the video, Roger Stone, speaking slowly to an associate who is transcribing his words, states that “the final decision as to who the state legislatures authorize the send to the electoral college is a decision made solely by the legislature.”

“Any legislative body may decide on the basis of overwhelming evidence of fraud to send electors to the electoral college who accurately reflect the president’s legitimate victory in their state, which was illegally denied him through fraud,” Stone adds.

Stone concludes by asserting that “we must prepare to lobby our Republican legislatures, by personal contact, and by demonstrating the overwhelming will of the people in their states — in each state — that this may need to happen.”

https://x.com/thebeatwithari/status/1691935482836377816?s=46&t=Di_WPbatD_q3Nja0IAGatQ

While Stone is not a defendant in the indictment, it does mention 30 unnamed unindicted co-conspirators, and focuses heavily on the plot to use fake electors to subvert the results of the vote in key battleground states.

So the plot began before the election was even called. There goes the "he truly believed he had won the election" defense.

Not that it was much of a defense anyway. I can truly believe a bank stiffed me out of my savings, but that doesn't excuse my legal liability if I then try to rob it.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Oh no. The federal judge who will hear Mark Meadows' motion to move the case from state to federal court is Black.

I hope he's prepared for death threats and so forth if he denies the motion.

I cannot believe this is all happening in my country. I thought the vast majority of Americans were better than this.

 

[vls12345]

People who live near Fulton County Jail bracing for Pres. Trump, others to surrender

“This is small neighborhood. We can’t take too much craziness going on," one neighbor says.

www.wsbtv.com

 

[vls12345]

How Atlanta prosecutor Fani Willis took on Donald Trump

The former president was charged with 13 counts in Georgia.

www.vox.com

In 2021, before the Raffensberger call:
"In January, the US attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, Byung Pak, abruptly resigned after being told that, because he refused to say widespread fraud was found in Georgia, Trump would fire him."

I wonder if Pak will be called as a witness? I would think so.

 

[PommyMommy]

AUG 16, 2023

Grand jurors who served in earlier Trump Georgia case react to the indictments

In interviews with The AJC, Fulton County residents who served on an earlier special grand jury examining Georgia’s 2020 election gave their reactions to this week’s indictments

www.ajc.com

[...]

The special grand jury met for almost eight months beginning in May 2022. It approved subpoenas and legal summonses and also heard testimony from nearly 75 witnesses... Unlike the separate, regular grand jury that voted on a “true bill” of indictment against Trump and others on Monday, the special grand jury essentially functioned as an investigative body for Willis solely focused on the 2020 elections investigation.

At the end of its service late last year, the special grand jury authored a final report, which made a series of indictment recommendations to the DA. The bulk of its suggestions were sealed by a Fulton Superior Court judge early this year after Willis asked for time to make indictment decisions.

[...]

... in interviews on Tuesday, three jurors suggested the charges announced by Willis largely fall in line with what they had recommended.

[...]

Each said they were satisfied with the resulting indictment and Willis’ approach using Georgia’s sweeping racketeering law.

“When I woke up this morning and started looking at the news it was relief that I was feeling,” said another special grand juror on Tuesday. “It was like, ok, what we did and the time we spent meant something because (the DA) agreed with us. And now another group of people looked at all the facts and the information and they all came to the same resolution that we did.”

[...]

... Another expressed surprise that only 19 people were charged in the indictment given the volume of evidence the jury heard about others.

“A lot of people aren’t named,” said the juror. She added that over the course of the special grand jury’s service, “we talked to a lot of people, so I’m actually impressed at how they got down to a list of this many people.”

[...]

The three jurors said they hope their final report will be released to the public soon. Not only so that the public can see what they recommended, but so they can refresh their own memories.

[...]

“I want it to not be ok to go on TV,” another said, “and spew lies to the media about fake elections... (so) people can have some sense of trust in the elections system again.”

 

[Stunned]

Oh no. The federal judge who will hear Mark Meadows' motion to move the case from state to federal court is Black.

I hope he's prepared for death threats and so forth if he denies the motion.

I cannot believe this is all happening in my country. I thought the vast majority of Americans were better than this.

I think we are. The others are just louder and more obnoxious. IMO

 

[Friday Fan]

Roger Stone Recorded Details of Fake Electors Plot Days After 2020 Election: Report

A video obtained by MSNBC shows former Trump advisor Roger Stone laying out a plan to subvert the Electoral College before the election was even called.

www.rollingstone.com

In the video, Roger Stone, speaking slowly to an associate who is transcribing his words, states that “the final decision as to who the state legislatures authorize the send to the electoral college is a decision made solely by the legislature.”

“Any legislative body may decide on the basis of overwhelming evidence of fraud to send electors to the electoral college who accurately reflect the president’s legitimate victory in their state, which was illegally denied him through fraud,” Stone adds.

Stone concludes by asserting that “we must prepare to lobby our Republican legislatures, by personal contact, and by demonstrating the overwhelming will of the people in their states — in each state — that this may need to happen.”

https://x.com/thebeatwithari/status/1691935482836377816?s=46&t=Di_WPbatD_q3Nja0IAGatQ

While Stone is not a defendant in the indictment, it does mention 30 unnamed unindicted co-conspirators, and focuses heavily on the plot to use fake electors to subvert the results of the vote in key battleground states.

I have heard that before too. That state legislatures decide who the electors are, not the voters. I don't know if there is a law or not. I do know that primaries are a fairly new addition. (Primaries existed, but when it came to the president, they really didn't "count")

So, it could be that the state legislature ultimately decides the electors.

Parties chose their nominee at the convention. Humphrey in 1968 was the last nominee who bypassed the primaries.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Meadows trying to move Fulton County case to federal court | CNN Politics

Former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows is seeking to move the Fulton County, Georgia, prosecution against him to federal court so that he can try to get the case dismissed under federal law.

amp.cnn.com

Former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows is seeking to move the Fulton County, Georgia, prosecution against him to federal court so that he can try to get the case dismissed under federal law.

On Wednesday, a federal judge scheduled an August 28 hearing for Meadows and others to present evidence about whether to move the case. The judge noted the state court case can proceed at this time.

Meadows said he intends to submit at a “later date” a more comprehensive request laying out why the case against him should be dismissed under federal law.

Federal Judge Orders Hearing on Mark Meadows' Motion to Move Georgia Election Case to Federal Court

The hearing for Donald Trump's former chief of staff will now fall on the same day and time as the next hearing in Special Counsel Jack Smith’s case

themessenger.com

In the filing, Judge Jones said the notice of removal and the attached indictment “do not clearly indicate that summary remand of this matter is required,” meaning there is no need for a higher court to send the case back to a lower court for further action.

Jones also ordered Meadows to give Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis a copy of the notice of removal and the order for the hearing. Once Willis receives the documents, she is allowed to submit a written response by Aug. 23.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

AUG 16, 2023

Grand jurors who served in earlier Trump Georgia case react to the indictments

In interviews with The AJC, Fulton County residents who served on an earlier special grand jury examining Georgia’s 2020 election gave their reactions to this week’s indictments

www.ajc.com

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So I guess they didn't think Trump or any of the others were simply exercising their First Amendment rights.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I think we are. The others are just louder and more obnoxious. IMO

And yet...millions still want him to be the next president.

I don't know what to make of it, I really don't.

 

[PommyMommy]

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So I guess they didn't think Trump or any of the others were simply exercising their First Amendment rights.

Ha! Nope, not hardly! MOO

 

[vls12345]

AUG 16, 2023

Grand jurors who served in earlier Trump Georgia case react to the indictments

In interviews with The AJC, Fulton County residents who served on an earlier special grand jury examining Georgia’s 2020 election gave their reactions to this week’s indictments

www.ajc.com

[...]

The special grand jury met for almost eight months beginning in May 2022. It approved subpoenas and legal summonses and also heard testimony from nearly 75 witnesses... Unlike the separate, regular grand jury that voted on a “true bill” of indictment against Trump and others on Monday, the special grand jury essentially functioned as an investigative body for Willis solely focused on the 2020 elections investigation.

At the end of its service late last year, the special grand jury authored a final report, which made a series of indictment recommendations to the DA. The bulk of its suggestions were sealed by a Fulton Superior Court judge early this year after Willis asked for time to make indictment decisions.

[...]

... in interviews on Tuesday, three jurors suggested the charges announced by Willis largely fall in line with what they had recommended.

[...]

Each said they were satisfied with the resulting indictment and Willis’ approach using Georgia’s sweeping racketeering law.

“When I woke up this morning and started looking at the news it was relief that I was feeling,” said another special grand juror on Tuesday. “It was like, ok, what we did and the time we spent meant something because (the DA) agreed with us. And now another group of people looked at all the facts and the information and they all came to the same resolution that we did.”

[...]

... Another expressed surprise that only 19 people were charged in the indictment given the volume of evidence the jury heard about others.

“A lot of people aren’t named,” said the juror. She added that over the course of the special grand jury’s service, “we talked to a lot of people, so I’m actually impressed at how they got down to a list of this many people.”

[...]

The three jurors said they hope their final report will be released to the public soon. Not only so that the public can see what they recommended, but so they can refresh their own memories.

[...]

“I want it to not be ok to go on TV,” another said, “and spew lies to the media about fake elections... (so) people can have some sense of trust in the elections system again.”

Great article. Thanks for posting it.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Great article. Thanks for posting it.

Seconded.

 

[MyBelle]

Oh no. The federal judge who will hear Mark Meadows' motion to move the case from state to federal court is Black.

I hope he's prepared for death threats and so forth if he denies the motion.

I cannot believe this is all happening in my country. I thought the vast majority of Americans were better than this.

Why on earth would Meadows care about the Judge's race? If he denies Meadows' motion, Meadows can appeal.
JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Why on earth would Meadows care about the Judge's race? If he denies Meadows' motion, Meadows can appeal.
JMO

I don't expect Meadows to care. But I expect that the same Trump fans who have published the grand jurors' names and addresses online and sent Fani Willis death threats and insults using the N word most certainly will, and act accordingly.

 

[MyBelle]

How Atlanta prosecutor Fani Willis took on Donald Trump

The former president was charged with 13 counts in Georgia.

www.vox.com

In 2021, before the Raffensberger call:
"In January, the US attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, Byung Pak, abruptly resigned after being told that, because he refused to say widespread fraud was found in Georgia, Trump would fire him."

I wonder if Pak will be called as a witness? I would think so.

BBM. Why on earth would a U.S. attorney make any comment at all about voter fraud? That makes zero sense. <modsnip - opinion stated as fact>


JMO

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[BritsKate]

BBM. Ever heard the expression "A DA could indict a ham sandwich?

Freedom of speech is disingenuous? I seriously doubt a jury will agree.

JMO

I - and many others - have posted time and again that it stopped being freedom of speech when that phone call was made IN FURTHERANCE of a criminal conspiracy to overturn the results of a free and fair election. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree until that jury hears the same facts dozens of grand jurors agree sounded kinda crimey...but it sure is NOT true that there's no evidence a crime was committed because again, he's now been charged for that phone call.

I find it interesting that you're so passionate over a guy you didn't vote for and don't like. You've stated before that Trump deserves due process and while I personally believe he is guiltier than sin and would dance an irish jig to see him locked up for the rest of his life - I also agree he deserves due process. That's the beauty of the American legal system. Here's the thing though - he is already being treated BETTER than most criminal defendants.

Fani Willis didn't indict Trump on her own. A majority of Superior Court judges agreed a special grand jury should be empaneled. Dozens of everyday Georgians issued subpoenas, compelled evidence, pored through documents, heard testimony and reached the conclusion that there was enough probable cause to warrant indictments. IMO if this were a nakedly political gambit it wouldn't be the FOURTH indictment! It nearly mirrors the federal J6 indictment too because the crimes are similar and overlapping because it was part of a criminal conspiracy to overturn the results of a free and fair election.

And because of that, I wouldn't be surprised and even rather hope, to see other states follow suit. There's ample evidence to suggest similar crimes were employed in multiple other states though Georgia laws are particularly favorable to the state securing a conviction against the former president and his co-conspirators and it, on its face, appears to be an extremely strong case.

All JMO