GA GA - Jenna Van Gelderen, 25, Atlanta, 18 Aug 2017 #1

[Shiressleuth]

I don't believe Shiresleuth was directing the posting towards you. Correct me if I'm wrong @Shiresleuth!

The only person who could probably answer these questions, considering I haven't seen them answered yet here, would be brother. JMO!

Yes, you are right Cape. Or LE perhaps could answer. My post was a reference for me to refer back to as needed. There's nothing up with me AFAIK.

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

When Ivy Merck went missing, how was she found? Through her friends tagging her on Facebook?
Does her 2010 Mazda 6 have EDR ?(event data recorder)
Her shoes. She left without them. Was she known to carry another pair on her car?
New license plates are easily read by LE.
Sure seems like her car hasn't been on the road
...is there a BOLO out for her car?
Praying she will contact someone and let family know that she is ok.
Perhaps she doesn't want to be found?
I pray there is good news soon!
MOO

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[Shiressleuth]

This is the most recent to my knowledge. However the Kroger is at least ~ 60 miles away! The Kroger is near West Ga College in Carroll County. She got away near midtown Atlanta. (Which is closer to the area from where Jenna went missing from)
MOO
http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/278661435-story
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TY for posting. That is worrying. This was recent and the article starts by saying a suspect is in custody (no name provided) but later states he remains still at large. :thinking:

 

[Cheshirekatz]

I'm a new poster but have been following the case. I live a mile or so from her parents house and am very familiar with the area. I have to say, the lack of coverage and differing accounts make me wonder if she left voluntarily.


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[Steleheart]

I'm a new poster but have been following the case. I live a mile or so from her parents house and am very familiar with the area. I have to say, the lack of coverage and differing accounts make me wonder if she left voluntarily.


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:Welcome1: to the thread CheshireKatz. Thanks for joining the discussion.

Living so close and having such familiarity perhaps you would consider becoming a verified insider?

VERIFIED PROFESSIONALS and CASE INSIDERS

 

[Cheshirekatz]

Sure


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[Shiressleuth]

Sure


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:wave: Welcome, Cheshire. Looking forward to hearing your local knowledge, info and theories.

 

[Nancy Drew RN]

When her brother is referring to her Google Maps timeline, I wonder if he's seeing 14th and Crescent as a destination, or just noting that she drove by that area on the map. The timeline seems to note when you're at a specific location (i.e. "Opera Nightclub | 11:05PM - 11:27PM"), and it doesn't sound like that happened here. I don't use that feature, so I had to do some googling to find out what information it shows.

I wonder if she ever did any driving for Uber or Lyft, especially since she hadn't been employed for a few months. It would be one scenario that might encompass multiple gas station stops a day and swinging by an area with clubs to pick up a fare before heading home. If her mother's car was nicer/cleaner/larger, that might be a reason to be driving it instead of her own. I would assume this would show up on her email, though. She does like "Drive with Lyft" on Facebook.

Her brother has said they "assume" she returned with a tall male passenger. There may be a witness or CCTV that they're not releasing for some reason, but are they possibly just basing this on having the passenger seat all the way back? I know I always keep my passenger seat fully back, unless someone is sitting in the rear.

The townhouse guy sounds very much like a friends with benefits situation to me. Late night visits, her wanting a relationship, but him not--I definitely get that vibe. Depending on his own relationship status, I could see this being an issue.

I am also local, and the disappearance and lack of coverage are very odd, but if a voluntary disappearance, it's worrying that none of her credit cards and phones have been used. It also sounds like while Jenna was capable of living a double life, if you will, she wasn't so great at being subtle about doing so, imo? She was refusing to answer some questions from her family, stealing, etc., but the questions were there, the arrest came out. A successful voluntary disappearance requires a lot of putting yourself in someone else's shoes and self-awareness to cover your tracks, and this would potentially be difficult for someone on the spectrum.

Sorry this is all over the place, I've been on vacation without my log-in and have 47 pages worth of reactions/thoughts.

 

[Bit of hope]

I don't believe Shiresleuth was directing the posting towards you. Correct me if I'm wrong @Shiresleuth!

The only person who could probably answer these questions, considering I haven't seen them answered yet here, would be brother. JMO!

Yes of course....will post my latest updated time line in half an hour....you will see all the open questions will be in there....Capebluff.

 

[Bit of hope]

BTW who is the mod on this thread?

 

[Stanly]

BTW who is the mod on this thread?

Ive not seen one

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[Steleheart]

BTW who is the mod on this thread?

Any of the Mods listed at the bottom of the Missing Persons Discussion thread

 

[Stanly]

Taking every information from this thread (last page included 47, last post included 701) and put it in the timeline...including my questions and from others on this thread. Hard to keep up with you all....but I fixed it. Please feel free to add stuff (maps etc.) VI/ brother (I respect your decisions about what you post or not) I hope this is going to help you further and if you want to add, please do. Thinking about Jenna...I so wish she is alright.

Timeline Jenna van Gelderen missing
Jenna, 25years old, 4”11’, 140 lbs, long dark hair, pierced ears. Address; 2255 Lenox Road. Atlanta PD Zone 2 DeKalbcounty. ‘Lenox Woods apartments’, livingright between the areas Buckhead and Midtown.
https://www.facebook.com/HelpFindJennaVG/
About herliving space/apartment ‘She would never tell us this address, we only found outthrough the P.I and the police. Accordingto them she is on the lease. Prior we didn't know this and though she wasjust saying on a friend's couch according to what she had told us. Post bybrother 313.
Missingfrom Parents house; address; From media….Near Emory University, posted byher parents on Facebook page. 1289,Oakdale road, Atlanta. August, 26 Updates flyer address parents…Druid Hillshome, GA. DeKalb county, GA
Distancebetween her apartment and parents address: 3 miles
She hadbeen seeing a career coach / counselor every week as well to help get her ontrack to finding a new job and working with her mental illness / minor autismto help with work skills. Post by brother nr. 167
Jenna is inthe autism spectrum; has a form of high-functioning autism. can easily bemanipulated and doesn't realize what she is doing is bad. However she alwaysalways said that she would never do drugs and would say it in a pretty big tone. Post by brother nr. 168.
Parentsaddress on the drivers license. Postbrother nr 323
Car spottedin other state in July 2017? She frequently went up to South Carolina (believedby brother to be in Greenville area, post nr. 355) to babysit for a friend .Have spoken to said friend several times and she is one of her best friends,post brother nr 328
Rumorsabout Jenna being a sex worker have never been confirmed. Post brother nr. 330According to parents this was said by a disgruntled ex-boyfriend. Post nr. 384.
Rumorsabout Jenna going missing before are not true according to the parents. Never, absolutely never - never disappeared,”Jenna’s father said. “If she ever went to South Carolina, that’s the furthestshe's ever gone. We knew where she was going, who she was going to be with andshe was always in contact with us.” Post nr. 384.
August 16, 2016 last post public post of Jenna on her ownFacebookaccount, post is about looking for a job
January – March 2017
We trackedthis phone no I found on metro to a number that showed up a lot Jan - March andthen died off around when she said it was finished . Was also was around thetime of the supposed theft. Post by brother 167.
February 2017.

• Shehad a job back in Feb at the pet store but we found out through a friend shehad been fired for theft at the store. Which is really not like her.
• Wefound out large sums of money had been taken in total from various times fromher register. She was arrested, and through the court case, we were able tohave the sentence reduced to a misdemeanor. She would not tell us where themoney went and that she was "framed" by a manager. I am starting to think that maybe she did dothis and paid one of these guys with the money. Posted by brother post162.
• Afriend was able to confirm that she back in Feb was on and off with another guywho was violent , but again she would not tell us who and that it was done andnever happening again. Post by brother nr. 167 Does one of herfriends know this person?
• Originallytheft by talking, reduced by misdemeanor and nixed. http://justice.fultoncountyga.gov/PASupCrtCM/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=7400697
• Atfirst she had to go to court plea at 8/21, but the case was settled before soshe didn’t had to go there anymore.
• Thiskind of behavior was labeled as uncharacteristic for Jenna.
• It appears in February she switched to a newemail for her Apple ID which we do not have. Post by brother nr. 367

August 14, 2017 Jenna became a member of Atlanta Housing groupon August 14, 2017, Jenna reacted on post of somebody asking for a roommate,planning to move in September 2017. Send me a message <name> ASAP. Onquestions about the neighborhood the girl’s post asking for a roommate; “Jenna was living right between those twoareas (Buckhead and Midtown)” post nr. 462
August 15, 16, 17 no known activity

• Parentsleft for Canada on? Jenna agreed on house sitting She arrived at the house on? With her car? Did she meet her parents beforethey left? Key to the house turnedover/she had her own set? Did they met,what was her state of mind? and watch over the old dear cat. Parentswere planning to stay in Canada until August 26 (post 34, by brother)
• Jennatold vet and brother she would be there all weekend. Post number 34 by brother. Because she didn’t dare to give the medicineto the cat she was very attached to, so vet could help her giving the medicine(post by brother 34) Why didbrother come over? “We know shewould have worked with me and the vet assistant (who didn't have a key to thehouse) if she had planned to leave” post34 by brother….did she plannedto leave….I’m not getting this…..

August 18, Friday

• Friendtalked to her briefly before she left (to where?) By media ….he told the police. Face to face, by phone. What time? Friday night she had left a friendsplace to come home around 11 pm, in mother's car. Why in mother’s car? (post 34 by brother) He claims she wanted a relationship but he didnot knowing the theft issue. Posted by brother post 167
• Anotherfriend said she had a conversation with Van Gelderen. From media (face to face, on the phone?)on Saturday <after Friday12 pm> and later received atext saying she was lying down. Therehad to be some contact prior….you don’t send somebody out of the blue a textmessage that you are lying down. We are not sure that it was Jenna thatactually send that text.
• 2am had sent a text to a friend that she was going to bed. (post 34 by brother) The friend at 2 am was on T-Mobile account anda very good friend in Sc my parents know well Jenna used to baby sit for her.She has not seen her either up that way. Post from brother 185
• Jenna talked to her mother twicea day….also on august 18th ? Or were parents traveling on that day? How was contact with mother made, by phone,Facebook, did she came to parents house twice a day other way?
• Accordingto everyone she had returned to my parents place that night. Post by brother nr310.
• Iwas able to access the voice mail earlier on it and found a pocket dial at 11.50pm Friday . I have given the number to our p.i . I have been able to locatethat number tied to an Instagram account with references to pimping and clubson Cambelton Rd . Posted by brother post 135
• Thenumber for the pocket dial was tied to an Instagram account as well that leadsme.to believe something more is up. Also metro pcs number as well. Metro pcsdid say her no she was not the primary account holder as well. Posted bybrother nr. 140. I’m not surewhat this means. Was the Metro pcs her second (not known by family) phone? Isshe wasn’t the primary account holder, who was? Was she listed as a user, was it somebody’selse phone entirely?
• Ido have an Instagram account tied to the number I found last night just notsure if it is wise to post it publicly posted by brother nr. 180 Any follow through?
• Theinsta is tied to a suspect that called her last not directly Jenna's insta.post by brother 191
• Confusing post to me by Jubunatl,brother replying post nr. 188 : Is there a reason the trustworthy friend that is from South Carolina wascalling her at 2am? Nomentioning of this earlier in the thread. Seems like an odd time tochat. Did her or any of the more trustworthy longer term friends have anythingto say about the roommate or what kind of person he is? Brother’s response; They were always in contact through textseven late at night , but she was never informed by Jenna of her whereaboutspost 188
• Throughaccess d.d. 8/31 on her e-mail and Facebook on family finds out on whatlocations she was and which locations she searches for on google maps:

• Visitedtownhome that she frequently went to
• Searchedfor another address on Google, promptly after
• Afterthat no activity, all activity meaning location tracking?end on 11.30 p.m. posts brother nr. 406 and 408
• Newinfo found at 9/1 by brother. Driving from there <town home> down to midtown (14th andCrecsent Ave) which is near Opera night club. Post 464. According to info she did go the town home then/had the intention tomeet him? What is it with the town homeguy story? She went there for an appointment with him, but she didn’t comeaccording to his statement….. Is she didn’t go to the Opera night club, where was she going, whatcould be another destination in that area?
• NDecatur road & Dekalb Industrial way Do we know a time?
• 3stops maybe 4 stops at gas stations…Is there hard evidence that she visited 3 maybe 4 gas stations, having ahard time finding this info again….witch one? Is there any info on what she persuaded…info from debet card? Are there CCTV footages?
• Cheshireand Lavista road Do we know atime
• Seenwith an unidentified male passenger in her mother’s car. Per FB Help find Jenna van Gelderen By whom?

• Maybe we should keep thefollowing thing in mind…”I read that google mapstimeline can be inaccurate at times. There are whole forums with peopleconfused as to why the timeline shows places they've never been too. Peoplewhose spouses are convinced they're cheating etc. because of inaccurate googletimeline. Sounds like if wifi signal is poor it can maybe pick up phone signalsof other people nearby...just something to consider” Post by Jbunatti, nr. 471. Seems likethe area is very unlikely to loose signals, but….
• Thefamily sent the p.i to that address <townhome> and he talked to the guy there. He said they hadplans to meet for food but she never made it down there. At what time did they had anappointment? Did he call her when she didn’t show up, checked with her inanother way? Who is this person? What kind of relationship they had?
• Accordingto brother the FBI talked to this townhome guy and his story was checked out. I really wonder what this story is…. Open question stays why is FBIinvolved, does family knows?
• Thephone number of the townhome guy seems not the same as the pocket callnumber. Post by brother nr. 416
• Shewas driving in her mums car that evening a dark red Mazda 3 sedan (2010). We also know that she was in my mom’scars is this a typo or doesmum own more than one car? mostof that night, so she had to have come back (with someone we assume) to havethe cars switched post by brother nr. 464 What was the reason she used mums car?
• Weare still trying to piece together why Jenna was driving my mom's car Friday ,like if she loaned hers to a friend etc. We still do not know, however policenever finger printed it post by brother nr 605
• Thereseems to be a comment on one of Jenna's friends' facebook pages where it seemslike the girl might have been with her that Friday night. The brother wastagged in the post but not sure he saw it. She's also a friend of brother Post nr.568 and 571 Post on FB can’tconfirm She says she wishes she wouldn't have gone home that night. Thereference to 'home' could mean several different things.

August 19, Saturdaybrother called at around 9:30 Withcellular phone, number house parent? goes to parents house, arrivesthere at 10.30 am (Post brother nr. 162 ), to give the cat meds. .(from flyerand posts brother 34) Wasthere a problem with the vet, why was the vet not coming as scheduled, insteadbrother came?
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/dekalb-county/missing-dekalb-county-woman-disappeared-while-housesitting/599493475interview with family, video

• Jennanot at the house
• Doorlocked (deadbolt was locked, post 619 bybrother)
• Nosign of forced entry
• TV-on
• Lightson
• Chargerat the house
• Pairof shoes at the house
• Jenna’s car gone (2010, Blue Mazda 6 sedan, licenseplate PWH5029, Noticeable scratches on driver side, dent on top of the trunk,and missing cross bar on the front grille) Is the car listed a stolen by now?
• Jenna’sphone and purse not at the house
• Motherscar at home (dark red Mazda 3 sedan (2010))
• Housein some disarray (what kind?)
• Noevidence of struggle
• Tapestrymissing (It was an Egyptian tapestry / buffet cover from aroundWWII. Never had been appraised so don'tknow the worth, but it’s a very odd thing to take. (brother’s post 55)
• Theonly thing I really know and have discussed with parents is that it is from myGrandfather / WWII era. It’s not something we ever really talked about. But Ido know that it was quite faded, and had a lot of birds on it. Retrieving itisn't so much important, but rather if anyone had tried to sell it to a pawnshop / craigslist in the past few days post by brother 156
• The tapestry that is missing is part of a set2x end table covers (what is <the picture> posted) and a buffet coverthat was framed . The buffet cover is what is missing and very similar to this<the picture posted> Post by brother nr. 133 From Facebook by Leon vanGelderen: https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1624607500896522&id=100000418644521&set=a.973355179355094.1073741826.100000418644521&source=57&ref=content_filter
  approx. 2 feet by five feet (approx. 61 cm x 152 cm)
• Tapestry was ina heavy frame, carefully removed by breaking a small piece of the glass andframe hung back on the wall. The frame definitely takes 2 people to put backup. Glass on the frame appears to have been cleaned as well, very odd.) Taken from frame, pictureavailable is a same kind of cloth but not theitem itself (brother’s post 55)
• shouldmention on that picture frame, the missing piece of glass was still on theframe when I found it. It fell out when we and the police took the frame downto inspect and due to safety kept it off post of brother nr 264
• What about the missing suitcase? Whendid the parents notice that a suitcase was missing? That's so weird because my parents were theones that noticed the suit case gone 2 days later from when I gave thestatement. I've been a little aggravated today that our statements are notright and thus transferring to the media, post by brother nr. 281 Did she bring the suitcase with heror was it in the house. How big was the suitcase? Big enough to transfer
  a person in?
• Noactivity on social media accounts, bank accounts, phone….. (since the day shedisappeared)……after ? couldfamily, LE establish a time?
• Jenna’spassport kept by parents at the bank
• Bothphones are missing and off
• Appearsthat Jenna has (besides a T-mobile onher parents account) a second phone where family didn’t know off….. Metro pcs. Alsoher other phone she was paying for on her own, not sure why. Would be helpfulto see the statements on the phone to see last calls and texts. We have gonethrough our family TMobile plan to see who she contacted last. Post bybrother 98.
• Toiletriesand what not were still in the bathroom (post 81 by brother )
• Throughaccess on her mails and Facebook on 8/31 family finds out that on 8/19 therewas no activity.

August 20, Sunday2017. Reported missing by brother
August 21,22, 23, 24 family is finding more out about the apartment /address Jennalived/stayed through P.I. and LE.Family is trying to find out about roommate….He don’t want towork with family. Says no to parents, post by brother nr 195

• Maleroommate says no access to the apartment. Told the family to need a warrant. Who is this person and why havedifficulties? How did Jenna getacquainted with this person and decide to live with them?
• Wejust don't know on this. We tried to have her <Jenna> tell us but shewould not. Really starting to wonder about him as well and if he may be tied tosomething in this. Post brother, nr. 152
• Distancebetween her apartment and the pet store she worked at in February is a 6minutes’ walk.

August 25,Friday

• Brothertalks to police about access to Jenna’s apartment. Her roommate won't allow usto, need the local police to go over there, but it’s been a week now and theystill have not spoken to the roommate(according to them Friday) post brother on Sunday nr. 149

August 26, Saturday.
Family getnews that she is found that night, but it turned up to be not correct. Post number 34, by brother of Jenna. Parents planned to come home ‘this Saturday”but returned earlier.
August 27,Sunday

• Wehave a few neighbors that have videos from their systems pointed at the street,unfortunately nothing directly on our street. Post by brother nr. 104

August 28, Monday.

• Thismorning with this new info it seems so now they are taking it more seriously <checkingapartment Jenna, strange behavior roommate> post brother nr. 182.

August 29,Tuesday

• CandlelightVigil for Jenna Van Gelderen 7:30 PM ·Congregation Shearith Israel - Atlanta · Atlanta, GA
• Apartmenthas not been searched as far as I know unless done today. Post by brother nr.292
• Apartmentis not in the same LE jurisdiction as the parents’ home (DeKalb and FultonCounty)

August 30,Wednesday

• Believeour LE has made contact with roommate and <we> should be hearing soon if he <policeman> is going tovisit the apt finally! Post by brother nr. 351.
• Ifound her laptop the other day, she stopped using it months ago as It won'tturn on. Turned it over to the police to see if they can find anything on thedrive that may help. Post by brother nr. 359 Did this bring leads to go on?
• SoI discovered today that Jenna for sure had iMessage enabled at least I believeso. I tried from my Mac to send her a text via iMessage to her phone number andit was delivered but not read. I Havegotten access to 2 icloud accounts now with old emails that she had and usingthe security questions. Post brother nr. 362. Did this bring leads to go on?
• Brotheris trying to find out more about her e-mail accounts/Apple ID site. I've tried the 2 known emails that we havefor her and no luck. Post nr. 367.
• OkI got in finally. I had been going to iCloud.com. I managed to figure out theright email from the Apple ID site and it shows her phone and phone no as alisted device. I have an old iPad thatI'm restoring with her account info. Itlooks like though and this is odd, it says no back ups of apps and dataavailable. All contacts and messages are wiped and photos only show January ofthis year and prior. Couldthis have something to do what happened in February, destroying evidence or berelated to the supposed violent boyfriend back in February? It's like she turned off all back-up settingsor someone wiped a lot of her phone. Post 369. Maybe somebody could change this stuff to a morecomprehending text, because this is out of my league.
• Aboutthe supposed violent boyfriend back in February; We have just heard through thegrapevine of this but she would never tell us of this guy, there hasn't beenany contact from him or her in a while that we could find on the phone logsthough. Post of brother nr. 377.
• Policeis going to interview friend(s) about the possible violent boyfriend she waswith in February. (myinterpretation bases on content of the post) Yup, p.i and police areinterviewing today. Post by brother nr. 375
• Policevisited Jenna’s apartment. We got herstuff back yesterday <d.d.8/30> . Doesn't sound like they got anything of interest out of goingover there. Posted on 8/31 by brother, nr. 393 Needless to say that they didn’t find Jenna at theapartment. Were there only clothes, was there anything else retrieved from theapartment? Did she really had a room/bed there? Wat was the state of this room?Any signs that she had been there/lived there? Did the so called roommate really lived there? What happened to therent?
• Aboutbringing the roommate for questioning and found items: Not aware of it, soundslike she just had some clothes there and that’s it. But again who knows at thispoint. I could speculate that the roommate got rid of stuff . Working to find out more this a.m . Stillsounds so fishy to me. Post by brother nr. 397

August 31,Thursday

• Heyguys sorry for the silence this morning. We have gotten access to her emailsand Facebook through some nifty work with T-Mobile. Google has a handy featurenow called time line in Google maps. If anyone has used before it's creepy butvery handy. Post by brother nr. 399
• Thefamily has finally access to her mails and Facebook. Brother writes about thisin posts 401 and 403. We have gotten access to her emails and Facebook throughsome nifty work with T-Mobile. Google has a handy feature now called time linein Google maps. It shows right now her entire history of locations and whereaboutsfor Friday the 18, including locations she search on maps. Sat 19 no activity

September1, Friday

• Soupdates.. long day yesterday <d.d.9/1> The tricky part right now is figuring out the last few hoursbefore her activity ends. There is this apartment / townhome I mentioned. Stillfiguring out the deal with that and then I discovered that the timeline goes abit more and shows driving from there down to midtown (14th and Crecsent Ave)which is near Opera night club. We also know that she was in my mom’s car mostof that night, so she had to have come back (with someone we assume) to havethe cars switched <because her mother’s car was atthe parents’ house>

September 2, Saturday
September 3, Sunday
September4, Monday

• Thereis a $10,000 reward for info leading to her return per Help Find Jenna FB site.

I'm sorry for texed messed up..I don't know how to prevent this...

Excellent job! Thank you very much

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[FrozenPeach]

When her brother is referring to her Google Maps timeline, I wonder if he's seeing 14th and Crescent as a destination, or just noting that she drove by that area on the map. The timeline seems to note when you're at a specific location (i.e. "Opera Nightclub | 11:05PM - 11:27PM"), and it doesn't sound like that happened here. I don't use that feature, so I had to do some googling to find out what information it shows.

I wonder if she ever did any driving for Uber or Lyft, especially since she hadn't been employed for a few months. It would be one scenario that might encompass multiple gas station stops a day and swinging by an area with clubs to pick up a fare before heading home. If her mother's car was nicer/cleaner/larger, that might be a reason to be driving it instead of her own. I would assume this would show up on her email, though. She does like "Drive with Lyft" on Facebook.

Her brother has said they "assume" she returned with a tall male passenger. There may be a witness or CCTV that they're not releasing for some reason, but are they possibly just basing this on having the passenger seat all the way back? I know I always keep my passenger seat fully back, unless someone is sitting in the rear.

The townhouse guy sounds very much like a friends with benefits situation to me. Late night visits, her wanting a relationship, but him not--I definitely get that vibe. Depending on his own relationship status, I could see this being an issue.

I am also local, and the disappearance and lack of coverage are very odd, but if a voluntary disappearance, it's worrying that none of her credit cards and phones have been used. It also sounds like while Jenna was capable of living a double life, if you will, she wasn't so great at being subtle about doing so, imo? She was refusing to answer some questions from her family, stealing, etc., but the questions were there, the arrest came out. A successful voluntary disappearance requires a lot of putting yourself in someone else's shoes and self-awareness to cover your tracks, and this would potentially be difficult for someone on the spectrum.

Sorry this is all over the place, I've been on vacation without my log-in and have 47 pages worth of reactions/thoughts.

Gets me thinking...what if this also has to do with being upset about being rejected by the guy she was interested in? Trying to imagine a different scenario now. Let's say you were supposed to go over to see this guy you liked, and you talked to them about everything, and wanting them, asking them if they would take it more seriously - but then they rejected you. So you drive home, upset. Take the phone(s) and even forget your shoes in upsetness.

None of this matches with the idea of there being a male in the car and the weird numbers on the one phone or why a tapestry would be missing (unless you bring that to them to try to impress them? along with driving your mom's car - maybe they said something mean about your car?), but just wanted to throw this theory out there. I certainly would be upset if that was a discussion taking place the same night.

 

[Nancy Drew RN]

I don't necessarily see that townhouse guy is involved in anything--as you say it would make no sense for him to go with her in her mom's car to her parents' afterward. Just saying how their relationship appears to me. I could see rejection on his part making her want to go out afterward or wanting to talk to her friend late at night.

I was in the area today and can confirm her parents' garage is detached. The homes are quite close together, and street parking is by permit for residents. And, being near a university, there are almost unlimited apartment and condo complexes where her car could be abandoned. Her own apartment complex is older and near a stretch that was previously considered somewhat unsavory, in a specific kind of way: strip clubs, adult novelty stores, late night dining, LGBT friendly establishments and entertainment. However, the area, like much of intown Atlanta, is rapidly gentrifying. A strip club I'd been to once before had been torn down to build condos. That kind of thing. I have friends that used to live in a complex roughly across the street because it was cheap and convenient, and I can see her doing the same. Not a ton of places left like that in town, honestly. And very convenient to her old job and her parents.

 

[Bently]

I don't necessarily see that townhouse guy is involved in anything--as you say it would make no sense for him to go with her in her mom's car to her parents' afterward. Just saying how their relationship appears to me. I could see rejection on his part making her want to go out afterward or wanting to talk to her friend late at night.

I was in the area today and can confirm her parents' garage is detached. The homes are quite close together, and street parking is by permit for residents. And, being near a university, there are almost unlimited apartment and condo complexes where her car could be abandoned. Her own apartment complex is older and near a stretch that was previously considered somewhat unsavory, in a specific kind of way: strip clubs, adult novelty stores, late night dining, LGBT friendly establishments and entertainment. However, the area, like much of intown Atlanta, is rapidly gentrifying. A strip club I'd been to once before had been torn down to build condos. That kind of thing. I have friends that used to live in a complex roughly across the street because it was cheap and convenient, and I can see her doing the same. Not a ton of places left like that in town, honestly. And very convenient to her old job and her parents.

Just to (not?) clarify anything. I read back again and again and again the reference to townhouse/apartment. I thought for the longest time it was in midtown,(or at least not her place) but when i read, reread and reread, I think the VI was referring to HER apartment, and at one point said apt/townhouse. I assumed he was talking about anotherguy, but now thinking referring to HER apt/townhouse roomie?. See upthread my thinking, but I think that is so. VI said he was talking about the apt/townhouse that he mentioned before, but the only apt before that post he ever referred to was hers?

:moo:

feedback on those thoughts Bueller?

 

[Hraefn]

The fact that her car has not been found is concerning. Often the car holds so many answers. I can't help but go where so many other threads have led before...is her car in some body of water?

 

[Stanly]

Just to (not?) clarify anything. I read back again and again and again the reference to townhouse/apartment. I thought for the longest time it was in midtown,(or at least not her place) but when i read, reread and reread, I think the VI was referring to HER apartment, and at one point said apt/townhouse. I assumed he was talking about anotherguy, but now thinking referring to HER apt/townhouse roomie?. See upthread my thinking, but I think that is so. VI said he was talking about the apt/townhouse that he mentioned before, but the only apt before that post he ever referred to was hers?

:moo:

feedback on those thoughts Bueller?

I read the following screenshot to read "we have a townhouse" as in the family themselves had one.
Im still not sure. I think it then changed to being a guys house and she was meant to be having food with him or something and his story checked out. I think post #423 but i cant see on my app

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[Stanly]

I read the following screenshot to read "we have a townhouse" as in the family themselves had one.
Im still not sure. I think it then changed to being a guys house and she was meant to be having food with him or something and his story checked out. I think post #423 but i cant see on my app

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Maybe its just me? But i would have worded it differently...

I.e 'yes we have found a townhouse on her map history that she visited a few times' or 'yes we can see she has visited a townhouse a few times'...

Is it just me being picky with words?

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[Cheshirekatz]

I initially read it as the family had a townhouse as well. The other thought I have is, if it were a random townhouse, how would they know which one she was going to?
I did see on Nextdoor that the family is asking people in the Atlanta area to check parking decks for her car. I still am baffled by the lack of coverage. Makes me feel like it's not being taken seriously.


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