GA - Katherine Janness, 40, fatally stabbed and dog killed, Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 28 July 2021 #2

[FerrariRose]

Maybe the cane is actually a sharpe object in a holder..I dunno.

I thought the same thing.

 

[DobbyRN]

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They did say to go out in groups of 3 or 4 people. That doesn't send a message of being safe IMO.

 

[Yuletide]

Can anyone tell what the man with the cane and red stained shirt is holding in his left hand?

 

[DobbyRN]

Can anyone tell what the man with the cane and red stained shirt is holding in his left hand?

It looks like a cell phone.

 

[Yuletide]

It looks like a cell phone.

If it is a cell phone, is there any way for LE to see what phones were pinging in that area and track potential witnesses or perps that way?

 

[LotusPawprint]

Remember, they said the public is safe. So safety is not an issue because the killer is probably under surveillance. They can't release a name or a photo because their investigation is ongoing.

I saw this quote, which was from 7/29 (the day after the murder)
“We want the public to know that the park is safe,” said Chata Spikes, APD’s director of public affairs.

Police release photo of Piedmont Park victim, renew calls for help

However everything they have said since has told us otherwise.
(The statement above may have been an immediate, public relations type response intended to calm people but it was before they had a chance to start an investigation and determine that there was in fact a public threat imo).


From 8/5
Go out in public with several people with you," Willis said during Thursday's press conference. "Behave in a way that is safe."

The district attorney said that's the message she wants people across the county to leave with — urging citizens to travel to the park with a few friends and not alone late at night.

Piedmont Park stabbing | Fulton officials, Atlanta police update | 11alive.com


People shouldn’t go into the park alone at night, she [ Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis] added.

“I love Piedmont Park as well, but at this time we’re asking you go with three or four friends,” she said.

Fulton DA urges people not to go into Piedmont Park alone at night

 

[thebodyfarm]

City looks to install more cameras at parks after Piedmont attack

"The Atlanta Police Department is set to look into installing video surveillance cameras in more of the city’s parks following the fatal stabbing of Katherine Janness in Piedmont Park.


The city has nine cameras inside Piedmont Park, but the technology is obsolete and they aren’t connected to the police department’s Video Integration Center, the city’s Chief Operating Officer Jon Keen said at an Aug. 3 press conference."

 

[Flascga]

If it is a cell phone, is there any way for LE to see what phones were pinging in that area and track potential witnesses or perps that way?

Yes there is. There is software out there that tracks cell phone data from retailers and shows where people go from store to store so absolutely right they can track it. Privacy should not be protected for murder investigations but at the same time unrelated findings should also not be prosecuted Ie- a murderer shouldn’t have rights if their victim no longer has their rights.

 

[Yuletide]

Cameras and lights are fine, as long as they are maintained, but IMO the biggest crime deterrent is human patrols, removal of shrubs etc that act as a place to hide, and enforcement of closing hours. i.e. if the park closes at 9 pm, no one in the park after that time.

 

[PrairieWind]

I’m most bothered by the man with the cane for three reasons
1. He’s got on what appears to be a bloody shirt near where a murder happened
2. What better way to allow someone to take their guard down than by appearing to be very slow moving or disabled
3. A friend of mine was recently attacked by the same breed as Bowie. His injury was on his torso right beneath his arm pit. If that is blood on that mans shirt there may very well be a bite mark beneath.
All speculation, of course

If the time stamp on the photo is correct, he almost certainly is not the killer. He seen leaving the park at the time Katie would be entering the park. I just don't think its possible he is the killer.

 

[gngr~snap]

Who wears a hoodie while running outdoors on a hot Atlanta summer night? That witness picture bothered me.

Atlanta is hilly and Piedmont Park has uneven terrain with occasional potholes, so it's easier to explain away a cane.

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Here is the approximate temperature after midnight.
Looks like 77°.
Personally I couldn't wear a hoodie unless it's below 50°.
I guess some people want to sweat when they walk, run...
Moo

 

[everybodhi]

Would there be any reason to think that the perp(s) are from outside the US or new to the country?
Maybe from a place where really horrific crimes (often directed at females) regularly occur, like some kind of cartel etc...? imo, speculation.

Anything is possible but the chances of being a victim of violent crime by a US citizen are far greater, if you believe in math and science.
The US is "a place where really horrific crimes (often directed at females) regularly occur", but primarily by our own citizens.

Here's and short article about a Texas study:
With new access to Texas’ computerized criminal history data for more than 1.8 million arrests over six years, UW–Madison sociology professor Michael Light and co-authors Jingying He and Jason Robey were able to directly calculate the rates at which U.S.-born citizens, legal immigrants and undocumented immigrants were arrested for a range of felony offenses
Undocumented immigrants far less likely to commit crimes in U.S. than citizens
Charis E. Kubrin, a professor of criminology, law and society at the University of California, Irvine, who was not involved in the research, describes the paper as “completely groundbreaking.” It’s “another nail in the coffin of what we know about the link between immigration and crime,” she says.
www.scientificamerican.com/article/undocumented-immigrants-are-half-as-likely-to-be-arrested-for-violent-crimes-as-u-s-born-citizens

Here's an article by a professor in the department of criminology at the University of Pennsylvania and a research affiliate at the University of Chicago crime lab about a CA study, BBM:
For those who are skeptical that these findings are true, consider the case of El Paso, Texas a working class city of approximately 700,000 people that sits opposite the Rio Grande river from Ciudad Juarez, one of the most violent and lawless cities in Mexico. More than 80% of El Paso's residents are Hispanic and the vast majority of these individuals are of Mexican origin. A large population of El Paso's Hispanic population are immigrants. In fact, El Paso has one of the highest proportions of immigrants among U.S. cities. Many of these migrants are undocumented. If those who fear Mexican immigration are right, then El Paso should be a hotbed of violence. As it turns out, El Paso is one of the safest cities in the United States with a homicide rate of 2.4 per 100,000 residents. Just a tiny handful of American cities have a lower homicide rate and most of those that do (San Diego, Chula Vista, and Mesa, AZ, for example) also have outsize Mexican populations. Incredibly El Paso's homicide rate is so low that it compares favorably to European capitals like London, Paris and Amsterdam, cities which have rates of lethal violence that are generally an order of magnitude lower than cities in the United States.

To summarize...there is simply no evidence to support that Mexican immigration should be a cause for concern. If anything, there is quite a bit of evidence that the immigrants we attract from Mexico serve to make us safer than we otherwise would be.
Do Mexican Immigrants "Cause" Crime? | Department of Criminology

Here's another in depth study from the Police Foundation in a PDF, same results, the math and science are consistent.
https://www.google.co.id/url?sa=t&s...gQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3BEJTajN0BEebMtDwuinkz

 

[PrairieWind]

Thank you! i also think the timestamp looks like it was applied to the image.
The time they were in the crosswalk is important, imo. I question whether 12:09 is correct. The 1 hour 2min. window from 12:09-1:11 seems so narrow to me.

That time stamp is critical in my opinion. i had never questioned it before, but maybe we should be. APD has gone pretty quiet on this case lately. I'd like a local reporter to start asking some questions about some of this stuff.

 

[everybodhi]

Here is the approximate temperature after midnight.
Looks like 77°.
Personally I couldn't wear a hoodie unless it's below 50°.
I guess some people want to sweat when they walk, run...
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[TL4S]

The hoodie person is curious because of the timeline, imo, more so than because of the hoodie itself. The hoodie could be normal attire for that person, or possibly hiding other illegal activities like drugs and cash from dealing, a gun, stolen goods, whatever. Jmo.

 

[PrairieWind]

The hoodie person is curious because of the timeline, imo, more so than because of the hoodie itself. The hoodie could be normal attire for that person, or possibly hiding other illegal activities like drugs and cash from dealing, a gun, stolen goods, whatever. Jmo.

Exactly. Hoodies are very common even in hot summer heat. I see them all the time. Hoodie man is interesting because of the timing, not the hoodie.

 

[TL4S]

@PrairieWind I have a question about the timestamps. For the footage we have seen that does include original timestamps (like the jogger or hoodie), are these shots from APD or city operated cameras that would be using the video footage as potential evidence in court against traffic violations, etc.? If so, an inaccurate timestamp would make it inadmissible, wouldn't it?

 

[PrairieWind]

@PrairieWind I have a question about the timestamps. For the footage we have seen that does include original timestamps (like the jogger or hoodie), are these shots from APD or city operated cameras that would be using the video footage as potential evidence in court against traffic violations, etc.? If so, an inaccurate timestamp would make it inadmissible, wouldn't it?

It wouldn't make it inadmissible per se, but a defense attorney could make a good argument that it is worthless. The City or state or whoever runs those cameras, will have to have an expert to testify about those time stamps. I would be willing to bet that they are accurate. However, the time stamp on the photo of Katie crossing the rainbow cross walk is different.

 

[LotusPawprint]

@PrairieWind I have a question about the timestamps. For the footage we have seen that does include original timestamps (like the jogger or hoodie), are these shots from APD or city operated cameras that would be using the video footage as potential evidence in court against traffic violations, etc.? If so, an inaccurate timestamp would make it inadmissible, wouldn't it?

I know you didn't ask me but I wanted to comment that the timestamps - whether they are accurate or inaccurate - are yet another reason why it's important for the pictured witnesses to come forward. Even if they didn't see anything or value, They can testify that they were in that area on camera at specific time, helping the state establish that the timestamps were right (or wrong).

 

[Snoopysleuth23]

Is anyone as concerned as I am that there has been so little information shared and it seems to have just fallen off the radar?? From the sounds of it, there’s a very dangerous person in our midst and frankly I’m nervous in my own community now!!