GA GA - Katherine Janness & Dog Bowie Fatally Stabbed - Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 2021 #5

[concernedcitizen706]

Factual question: were the Charles Allen gate cameras working? I thought there was an issue of non-functioning cameras.

Rest is JMO:
Everyone is entitled to their own theories but I don't think there is any evidence from which we can conclude that Katie was up to anything that would cause her to actively avoid ordinary public security cameras. JMO. I realize that we have to consider the possibility that she went out of her way to buy drugs, since that is a factor in so many homicides, but I believe that there is zero evidence for this. Likewise, the idea of a scheduled meet-up with no digital traces defies credulity IMO.

After following this case for a while, I have also backed away from the idea that this crime was premeditated by a skilled and careful criminal. My original theory is that either Katie or Emma had met a stalker through their food service jobs, because servers are obligated to be polite and an unbalanced person could misinterpret this friendliness, as well as being affected by homophobia. And others have theorized this was premeditated to gratify sexual sadism. I enjoy fictive theories as much as the next person (my personal tinfoil hat in other cases is espionage) but here I don't think we are dealing with an elusive Lecter-style criminal.

I think that this was a random attack by someone experiencing a psychotic event. The Point Defiance attack (committed by an Atlanta native who fled to ATL after the WA assault) is what changed my mind. The difference in WA is that the victim (who survived) and a witness were able to provide a description, resulting in a detailed sketch. The accused was involved with the mental health system and presumably with the sketch LE was able to connect the dots. Even if it wasn't the same perp (I don't know whether the WA guy was in ATL in 2021) I think it is a similar type of crime.

To me it seems much more likely that she was on a unplanned, meandering walk with her dog and was attacked at random by someone who was very disturbed and also very lucky at leaving minimal/no forensic evidence. I hope her family and friends receive peace and justice.

It's not a conspiracy theory if you match the theory to the evidence. And I do not believe somebody who is very mentally disturbed would have the mental capacity to carry out the precise mutilation on the body that was referred to in the autopsy report. In fact I would go the opposite, and say this person is extremely self-collected and cognizant. Because even an average person would find it very difficult to do all the precision work that he did in those circumstances. That is the element that makes this case different. And just trying to dismiss it, is not going to help solve the case.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

I was looking for that picture somebody just posted on the camera on 10th Street. And I don't see it anymore. But I remember it looks like the camera is on a building on the corner on 10th and Piedmont. So I don't know, I'm confused more by that, is she going north to south, or south to North at the intersection?

 

[Rush4087]

Factual question: were the Charles Allen gate cameras working? I thought there was an issue of non-functioning cameras.

Rest is JMO:
Everyone is entitled to their own theories but I don't think there is any evidence from which we can conclude that Katie was up to anything that would cause her to actively avoid ordinary public security cameras. JMO. I realize that we have to consider the possibility that she went out of her way to buy drugs, since that is a factor in so many homicides, but I believe that there is zero evidence for this. Likewise, the idea of a scheduled meet-up with no digital traces defies credulity IMO.

After following this case for a while, I have also backed away from the idea that this crime was premeditated by a skilled and careful criminal. My original theory is that either Katie or Emma had met a stalker through their food service jobs, because servers are obligated to be polite and an unbalanced person could misinterpret this friendliness, as well as being affected by homophobia. And others have theorized this was premeditated to gratify sexual sadism. I enjoy fictive theories as much as the next person (my personal tinfoil hat in other cases is espionage) but here I don't think we are dealing with an elusive Lecter-style criminal.

I think that this was a random attack by someone experiencing a psychotic event. The Point Defiance attack (committed by an Atlanta native who fled to ATL after the WA assault) is what changed my mind. The difference in WA is that the victim (who survived) and a witness were able to provide a description, resulting in a detailed sketch. The accused was involved with the mental health system and presumably with the sketch LE was able to connect the dots. Even if it wasn't the same perp (I don't know whether the WA guy was in ATL in 2021) I think it is a similar type of crime.

To me it seems much more likely that she was on a unplanned, meandering walk with her dog and was attacked at random by someone who was very disturbed and also very lucky at leaving minimal/no forensic evidence. I hope her family and friends receive peace and justice.

The 10th Street cameras pointing at the outside of the Charles Allen gate were working and part of the city’s system. So were the Piedmont Ave cameras pointing at (the outside of) the 12th St gate.

Cameras inside the park however (incl any that might’ve been just inside the park boundaries and/or near the gates) were not working. They were obsolete, having been installed many years earlier by the old Piedmont Park Conservancy.

After PP was transferred from the PPC to the City, there was supposedly a plan developed and priced to replace the old cameras inside the park with new ones - and tie them into the city’s camera system. I believe the implementation of that plan was back burnered by the city council for several years due to budgetary constraints.

All jmo

 

[Quell]

Here is a link to APDs site where the verbiage “last seen” is used at 950a later the same morning of her murder 7/28/21 (my post with screenshot was deleted by mod bc I didn’t reference the source. Apologies…source is APD):

https://www.atlantapd.org/Home/Components/News/News/1219/71

 

[Quell]

I was looking for that picture somebody just posted on the camera on 10th Street. And I don't see it anymore. But I remember it looks like the camera is on a building on the corner on 10th and Piedmont. So I don't know, I'm confused more by that, is she going north to south, or south to North at the intersection?

The moderator deleted it because I didn’t post a source. The source is the web. The camera sits atop the bldg that Flying Biscuit is in and that camera captures the intersection of 10th and Piedmont—aka the rainbow crosswalk.

 

[Rush4087]

Here is a link to APDs site where the verbiage “last seen” is used at 950a later the same morning of her murder 7/28/21 (my post with screenshot was deleted by mod bc I didn’t reference the source. Apologies…source is APD):

https://www.atlantapd.org/Home/Components/News/News/1219/71

9:50 am on 7/28/21 is the time of the APD report.

In the second paragraph it states KJ was last seen walking her dog in Midtown Atlanta - and references (in parenthesis) the photo in which she was last seen - walking in the rainbow crossing crosswalk from SW corner of 10th toward the NW corner of 10th (though she at first appears to be angling a bit NE) at approx 12:09 am.

As Quell correctly posted, the camera that captured KJ and Bowie crossing the intersection from SW to NW is on top of the building in which Flying Biscuit is a tenant (the building is on the NW corner of Piedmont and 10th).

LE arrived on the scene at the 10th St. Charles Allen gate at approx. 1:10 am on 7/28/21

Jmo

 

[Quell]

9:50 am is the time of the APD report.

In the second paragraph it states KJ was last seen walking her dog in Midtown Atlanta - and references (in parenthesis) the photo in which she was last seen - walking in the rainbow crossing crosswalk from SW corner of 10th toward the NW corner of 10th (though she at first appears to be angling a bit NE) at approx 12:09 am.

LE arrived on the scene at the 10th St. Charles Allen gate at approx. 1:10 am on 7/28/21

Jmo

Sorry yes, correct, I should have posted context. This pertains to an ongoing discussion on the thread regarding whether the 1209a photo in the crosswalk was the last photo of her. Someone on the thread mentioned that APD said it was the last time she was seen and my point is APD made that statement 8-9 hours after the murder. In other words it’s too soon imo at that time to say definitively that’s the last time she was seen because the community had barely been notified of the murder let alone looked at their ring cameras and so forth. Whatever route she took there’s a density of businesses, homes, schools etc.in a couple block-span and I believe it’s possible there was a capture of KJ later in her route.

 

[hexicon]

It's not a conspiracy theory if you match the theory to the evidence. And I do not believe somebody who is very mentally disturbed would have the mental capacity to carry out the precise mutilation on the body that was referred to in the autopsy report. In fact I would go the opposite, and say this person is extremely self-collected and cognizant. Because even an average person would find it very difficult to do all the precision work that he did in those circumstances. That is the element that makes this case different. And just trying to dismiss it, is not going to help solve the case.

In referring to my pet "tinfoil hat theory," I didn't intend to imply that the sexual sadist killer is a per se conspiracy theory, but I do think it is less likely than the alternative. JMO.

I read the autopsy report a long time ago (and don't intend to read it again as it was very upsetting), so I am not fresh on the details, but I would ask what's the evidence for arguing that the injuries were very careful and specific? I don't remember the report offering an opinion on "precision work." I think that we are interpreting the same facts differently.

"Surgical precision" is a trope of true crime reporting and analysis, so I'm not sure that we can always infer from the sanitized medical terminology of the autopsy dictation that the wounds were incurred with the the acuity of a physician's scalpel. Just because injuries affected certain organs doesn't mean that the murderer intended to target that organ specifically. And to use a crude example not applicable here, we often read breathless crime reporting that says, e.g., that a limb was dismembered with "anatomical precision," but anyone who has carved a Thanksgiving turkey knows you separate the leg at the joint. You don't have to be a surgeon. Here, the letters carved (presumed to be "FAT) weren't complete and weren't totally legible. It's not clear to me that the facial injuries and repeated stabs to the tattoo were committed in a specific and measured manner. "

We don't have all the evidence, but my conclusion is that there is more than one way to interpret the evidence we do have. JMO.