GUILTY GA - Lauren Giddings, 27, Macon, 26 June 2011 #13

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He is not guilty of any of those things as of today.

As of the first day they saw him on that video, he wasn't guilty......not until tried. I'd think they'd want him held NOW tho. This reminds me of Joran Vanderslot, in Aruba, they wouldn't hold ANYONE, not sure what's worse or more confusing. LOL
 
Yeah and it would have been SO EASY to avoid all of this! If he did it he knew the police were coming back in the morning...instead of putting the torso in the trash why not put it in the trunk and DRIVE AWAY? Plus ain't no way he was "desperate and crazy" and disposing of evidence without thinking, else the MPD would have found finger prints on the 5 trash bags that held the torso, the killer used gloves even while "hastily dumping" the torso in a last minute panic. So the killer is putting on gloves and thinks "hmmm...the trash can a few feet from the door will be fine, yeah there is an odor but...I bet the trash guy will come before the police arrive. Everything else is spotless, so what is the big deal if the torso is found right here?"

IF he did this it must have been some twisted intellectual chess game type of thing. I just do not know, none of it makes sense, maybe the kid really is innocent and got fingered due to weirdness.
bbm

Doesn't sound so illogical when you consider that McD wrote that, in so many words, disposing of a body is as simple as placing it in a trash can. Not to mention, the trash can method almost worked.

The chief added, “When I got there (to the scene), we started talking about why (the torso) was put there, and I was told, ‘Well, if we’d waited two more hours it would’ve been gone.’ And then we would have had a missing person. ... We wouldn’t have known if there’d been a crime involved or not
Burns said, “I’d hate to say it’s ‘fortunate,’ but this case would have been much, much more difficult if it’d been two hours later. Not that it’s not difficult enough.”
http://www.macon.com/2011/07/28/1646328/burns-hunt-for-giddings-killer.html

 
I realize that. That's the irony, in the beginning everyone was ready to hang him before all the evidence was in, now that they have more circumstantial evidence leading to even more gruesome acts possibly, SUDDENLY he's entitled to bond. It's funny........ for lack of a better word.

I think JMO that he wasn't entitled to be HELD at all, until the forensics and such was back, I would want him held NOW tho..........but I realize he's not guilty until proven guilty.

Since it was my post opining that he is entitled to a fair bond that has led to this, I feel compelled to say that I have never been ready to hang McD.

I started out on McD's side of the fence and the farthest I have gone in my theorizing, really, is straddling it. I occasionally look on the other side but I haven't hopped off.

I consider him innocent until proven guilty and I have not seen that happen yet.
 
Maybe he planned to fix it to death! Maybe he wanted us to think he was overdoing it, so that we would say, "No killer would overdo it like that and destroy his own project!"

(That was for you, Backwoods).
NO, maybe he just planned to try to APPEAR INNOCENT.
 
It's the "losing it on TV while the cops discover the remains" part that gives me pause here. I suppose you could bank on media being there and willing to talk, and I suppose he could have dragged the interview out waiting for the cops to find the remains (it was a weirdly long interview)... but why? He didn't do himself any favors there, if that was part of the plan. Most people don't seem to have found him genuine.

Overestimated himself?

In my second and less flippant reply to your post, LOL:

It may not have been such a weirdly long interview. I imagine a group of reporters standing around waiting for something to happen, finding few to talk to who aren't either not connected at all or too busy/close-mouthed to talk to the media at that moment, might keep running the camera and then later pick out their soundbite.

Remember -- when it first aired locally, they only used a tiny clip of the long interview we later saw. (A kind of tricky clip, too, because it was shortly after the reporter disclosed that a body had been found, when SM was still looking "distraught" as Patterson would later say, yet there was no explanation about this accompanying the clip, that the interview had begun as a talk with a neighbor about a missing person and in the middle switched to a reveal that a body had been found.)

In this brief first look at SM, he was saying something about "we pulled up her email", but there was no real explanation about the group of friends going in her apartment as a group, looking for her, checking on her. I remember thinking, "You read her emails...?!!" And of course that kind of left a strange impression, what with no explanation of the circumstances.

It was quite a spell before the full-length interview was even made public, remember? I think, by that time, it was nearly impossible for anyone to watch it with a totally open mind. JMO
 
Since it was my post opining that he is entitled to a fair bond that has led to this, I feel compelled to say that I have never been ready to hang McD.

I started out on McD's side of the fence and the farthest I have gone in my theorizing, really, is straddling it. I occasionally look on the other side but I haven't hopped off.

I consider him innocent until proven guilty and I have not seen that happen yet.

No, I was not referring or accusing you of anything. You've beenon here long enought that you know how it went early on. I too defended him for the simple fact that I hate when people act like a pack of wild dogs, it's a frenzy and SO MANY PEOPLE were ready to hang him and no one really knew anything. I was flabbergasted that LE went mostly on the video as proof of his guilt, maybe they will be right in the end BUT. I believe in innocent until proven guilty. Aruba's the other extreme. They wont' hold anyone until they have a body AND DNA or SOMETHING miraculous.

I just, like I stated, think it's IRONIC now that more evidence has been forthcoming, he has a right to bond out, whereas up to this point, they had only suspicion yet held him. I think I said that already.

I just think the law is sometimes contradictory.
 
In my second and less flippant reply to your post, LOL:

It may not have been such a weirdly long interview. I imagine a group of reporters standing around waiting for something to happen, finding few to talk to who aren't either not connected at all or too busy/close-mouthed to talk to the media at that moment, might keep running the camera and then later pick out their soundbite.

Remember -- when it first aired locally, they only used a tiny clip of the long interview we later saw. (A kind of tricky clip, too, because it was shortly after the reporter disclosed that a body had been found, when SM was still looking "distraught" as Patterson would later say, yet there was no explanation about this accompanying the clip, that the interview had begun as a talk with a neighbor about a missing person and in the middle switched to a reveal that a body had been found.)

In this brief first look at SM, he was saying something about "we pulled up her email", but there was no real explanation about the group of friends going in her apartment as a group, looking for her, checking on her. I remember thinking, "You read her emails...?!!" And of course that kind of left a strange impression, what with no explanation of the circumstances.

It was quite a spell before the full-length interview was even made public, remember? I think, by that time, it was nearly impossible for anyone to watch it with a totally open mind. JMO

After it all came out about him looking guilty and having a panic attack, DID YOU AT ANY POINT THINK THAT LE set him up via MEDIA?? I did BUT not sure why but it was weird he was the only one interviewed, wondered if there was something else that pointed to him prior to interview
 
bbm

Doesn't sound so illogical when you consider that McD wrote that, in so many words, disposing of a body is as simple as placing it in a trash can. Not to mention, the trash can method almost worked.


http://www.macon.com/2011/07/28/1646328/burns-hunt-for-giddings-killer.html


I recall that most gathered it was in a rush that he disposed of the torso in the trash, but he did know that trash pickup was that day obvioulsy, he lives there. But I wonder what prompted him to BRAVELY keep it so long, was that the THURSDAY after the Saturday email to BF?

Also, got to thinking about her food, and that Mickey Finn comment. If we had the skull we would know, but were the wrappers in her kitchen or in her car? I think it was reported both ways, first in the car secondly on counter in apt. Wonder if he hit her or drug her zaxby's drink/food?
 
After it all came out about him looking guilty and having a panic attack, DID YOU AT ANY POINT THINK THAT LE set him up via MEDIA?? I did BUT not sure why but it was weird he was the only one interviewed, wondered if there was something else that pointed to him prior to interview

bbm: I remember hearing (maybe "hearing" on here) and considering some speculation about that, wasn't ever really sold on that theory, I don't believe.

I imagine they (media folks) might have approached others around the apartment, who either had nothing much to say or declined to be interviewed. I remember some thought it "looked bad" for SM that he talked to media while apparently no other neighbors/friends on the site did. (Part of "inserting himself" into the scene.) I didn't really see it had to be that way. We don't know if media even approached any others -- after all, I'm sure they were camped as near to the action as they were allowed, and they saw SM leaving his apartment right next door to the missing person's -- so I guess they'd figure well, next-door neighbor, he might can say a little bit about the person or know some tidbit about the situation, we're sort of sitting on our heels here right at the moment, guess it's worth a shot. In the end, guess they got more than they bargained for. No matter how this case turns out, I bet that's an interview that those reporters will never forget.
 
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It was nine days before the audio version was posted in this link.

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Yes, long enough for SM to be in jail on the burglary charges and talk running high.

ETA: Obviously, SM was targeted by then -- though I forget what his "official" status was at that time, I guess POI? -- or there wouldn't have been much interest to prompt the posting of what became the very popular "full Stephen McDaniel interview" for the listening (and later the viewing) public ... or such interest in it by MPD. Remember, the station for a while declined to turn over the interview to MPD and we thought there might end up being a subpoena.
 
I recall that most gathered it was in a rush that he disposed of the torso in the trash, but he did know that trash pickup was that day obvioulsy, he lives there. But I wonder what prompted him to BRAVELY keep it so long, was that the THURSDAY after the Saturday email to BF?

Also, got to thinking about her food, and that Mickey Finn comment. If we had the skull we would know, but were the wrappers in her kitchen or in her car? I think it was reported both ways, first in the car secondly on counter in apt. Wonder if he hit her or drug her zaxby's drink/food?

You've been around here for a while, tomkat, so I know you probably remember the theory that he could have kept the torso for twisted sexual gratification/possession of her (possibly including cannibalism), all the "lust murder" things along that line. Also possible that it was just the most difficult part to inconspicuously dispose of.

I've wanted to know about the Zaxby's find for a long time now -- you're right, it was eventually reported both ways, with all the Macon media first saying it was found in her apartment, and a paper closer to her home (Washington Post, I think) later saying in her car, in a story that seemed likely drawn from family/close friend interviews. Possibly, some Zaxby's clues were found in the car, some in the apartment. Possibly MPD, for some reason, wanted it released locally that it was found in her apartment while it was really found in her car.

Way back in the threads I speculated that someone might have just slipped something in her Zaxby's drink, as you're wondering about.

ETA: How would having the skull help solve about where the Zaxby's stuff was found? :waitasec:
 
After it all came out about him looking guilty and having a panic attack, DID YOU AT ANY POINT THINK THAT LE set him up via MEDIA?? I did BUT not sure why but it was weird he was the only one interviewed, wondered if there was something else that pointed to him prior to interview
I know your question was for Backwoods, Tomkat, so excuse me for adding my two cents. LE had nothing to do with McD's interview, IMO. In the audio file I linked, the reporter, Michelle Quesada, explains that she and a few others from the station had been on the scene for several hours. McD walked out of his apartment as she was speaking with an employee from the AT&T building next door to the complex. The cameraman "grabbed" McD, and he was very forthcoming and agreeable to the interview.

I don't think he was the only person interviewed. I do think his interview was the most remarkable, and therefore the one aired on Thursday evening before his arrest. Quesada also says that LE asked for the video, and the station refused to give it to them. They were only entitled to record what had previously aired.
 
Yes, long enough for SM to be in jail on the burglary charges and talk running high.

ETA: Obviously, SM was targeted by then -- though I forget what his "official" status was at that time, I guess POI? -- or there wouldn't have been much interest to prompt the posting of what became the very popular "full Stephen McDaniel interview" for the listening (and later the viewing) public ... or such interest in it by MPD. Remember, the station for a while declined to turn over the interview to MPD and we thought there might end up being a subpoena.
According to Quesada, MPD was interested in the video immediately. I don't find that unusual. He was a POI the first day Lauren's body was found. Naturally, LE would be interested in his account of the details to see if he added to, or varied from, the statement he gave to them. As for the station's refusal to hand over the tape to LE, the media is always reluctant to share work product with LE, so nothing irregular there, either.

From what I recall of the posts here and the comments online, a week after LG's body was found many folks were still unconvinced that McD was her killer. The full interview could have been beneficial to him, and IMO, the station was right to air the it so that the public could judge from the proper context rather than the snips first seen/heard. Ultimately, I think it was more damaging to his credibility, but that's just me. It's understandable that he would be shaken after learning LG's body was discovered. There might even be a good reason why he went to the AT&T building rather than his own apartment to recover from the shock. What stood out to me is the fact that, according to Quesada, he returned 20 minutes later to continue the interview. As I've stated before, I think his anxiety shot through the roof at that point, and talking helped him to stay focused lest he lose all control of his faculties. :moo:
 
So the killer is putting on gloves and thinks "hmmm...the trash can a few feet from the door will be fine, yeah there is an odor but...I bet the trash guy will come before the police arrive.

bbm

Doesn't sound so illogical when you consider that McD wrote that, in so many words, disposing of a body is as simple as placing it in a trash can. Not to mention, the trash can method almost worked.

If he were smart and careful enough to clean up everything else and not let any dna get tracked into his apartment I just can't imagine that leaving the torso in the trash can was a "mistake". Yes it IS a good method but not when you KNOW the police are going to be back first thing in the morning, quite possibly before trash pickup!

If he made a conscious decision to do that he would have to know there is a BIG risk involved, and why take that risk unless you WANT IT KNOWN this is a murder and not a missing person? Maybe committing the perfect murder doesn't count unless it is a KNOWN murder? I don't understand that logic as I would think it absolutely DOES count, but maybe they wanted the crime to be recognized, documented and hit the press. Course there was still the chance it wouldn't be found but still it was a huge risk.

There is only one other logical reason I can think of to take that risk, and that would be if the odor was really bad and he didn't want to put it in the trunk of the car. Maybe he was worried the car trunk (or the whole car)would smell really bad and that would lead the police to him.
 
bbm: I remember hearing (maybe "hearing" on here) and considering some speculation about that, wasn't ever really sold on that theory, I don't believe.

I imagine they (media folks) might have approached others around the apartment, who either had nothing much to say or declined to be interviewed. I remember some thought it "looked bad" for SM that he talked to media while apparently no other neighbors/friends on the site did. (Part of "inserting himself" into the scene.) I didn't really see it had to be that way. We don't know if media even approached any others -- after all, I'm sure they were camped as near to the action as they were allowed, and they saw SM leaving his apartment right next door to the missing person's -- so I guess they'd figure well, next-door neighbor, he might can say a little bit about the person or know some tidbit about the situation, we're sort of sitting on our heels here right at the moment, guess it's worth a shot. In the end, guess they got more than they bargained for. No matter how this case turns out, I bet that's an interview that those reporters will never forget.

No, we really don't know how but it did occur to me. Surely he must've made himself available or at the "Right place at the RIGHT time".

At any rate. LOL, Dont' you know some Paparazii would LOVE to land a great PHOTO as good as the media landed this interview!! Yeah, they'll never forget that one.
 
You've been around here for a while, tomkat, so I know you probably remember the theory that he could have kept the torso for twisted sexual gratification/possession of her (possibly including cannibalism), all the "lust murder" things along that line. Also possible that it was just the most difficult part to inconspicuously dispose of.

I've wanted to know about the Zaxby's find for a long time now -- you're right, it was eventually reported both ways, with all the Macon media first saying it was found in her apartment, and a paper closer to her home (Washington Post, I think) later saying in her car, in a story that seemed likely drawn from family/close friend interviews. Possibly, some Zaxby's clues were found in the car, some in the apartment. Possibly MPD, for some reason, wanted it released locally that it was found in her apartment while it was really found in her car.

Way back in the threads I speculated that someone might have just slipped something in her Zaxby's drink, as you're wondering about.

ETA: How would having the skull help solve about where the Zaxby's stuff was found? :waitasec:


LOL!

If she were HIT in the back of the head, the skull would, IMO, show blunt force trauma to the skull. Unlike eating at zaxby's (I think lol) with a Mickey Finn in your drink. Of course, BOTH, could have occurred.

Sorry that wasn't clear! lol.

Yes, you did, I'd forgotten THAT but I do remember you said that now. Well, MAY BE.

BTW, Jeffrey Dahmer kept the skulls of his victims, I'm sure everyone here knows that, but I had to refresh my memory on his case. He painted them grey to appear to be a science model skull.......................

He also put some kind of chemical on the bones and flesh to make it turn to some dark gooey mush and down the drain they went........... So i guess if a chemical can do THAT to bone, surely all DNA would be out the window if searching drains for hers but they DID find HER DNA in her drains, correct? Did they find any DNA of ANYONE in his drain?? Just wondering about chemicals of that magnitude going down HIS drain and how it could effect DNA...........
 
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If she were HIT in the back of the head, the skull would, IMO, show trauma. Unlike eating at zaxby's (I think lol) with a Mickey Finn in your drink. Of course, BOTH, could have occurred.

From what I have read most all date rape drugs are processed by the liver (they don't have an effect until processed). The liver is way up high in the chest cavity near the heart.

If the liver was still in the chest cavity that will probably prove or disprove the likelihood of date rape drugs. If the liver was there and they found evidence of a drug overdose I would think they would have mentioned that in the murder indictment instead of saying method of death unknown.
 
From what I have read most all date rape drugs are processed by the liver (they don't have an effect until processed). The liver is way up high in the chest cavity near the heart.

If the liver was still in the chest cavity that will probably prove or disprove the likelihood of date rape drugs. If the liver was there and they found evidence of a drug overdose I would think they would have mentioned that in the murder indictment instead of saying method of death unknown.

Are we sure they would have mentioned that?? they haven't mentinoed anything else significant that might have been discovered.

Also, does anyone know WHY or WHEN they might SEARCH for her skull or other appendages? LIke at HIS grandfather's homeplace???

Dahmer hid most of his in HIS house and his GRANDMOTHERS house and yard, buried some out back.
 
would SM hide her in a favorite location or a happy childhood location? Well both of those probably go back to his grandpa's place. But what about in macon? ANy favorite locations of SM? Still wondering where LG is..........if anwhere, can't drive past that river without a thought of her!
 
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