GUILTY GA - Rusty Sneiderman shot to death at Dunwoody preschool, 18 Nov 2010 #2

[atthelake]

:bump:

Hi all. I've been lurking for a long time, but I want to weigh in a bit since OneLove asked about friends from AS and RS's college days. I was one of Rusty's friends from those days. I spent a lot of time with them at Indiana University, and while I thought Rusty was a funny, often goofy, sweet guy I could never warm up to Andrea (though I tried bc we had a lot of friends in common, Rusty especially). Here's what I can tell you from those times-

1- She is a perfectionist to the extreme. Appearances are everything to her. It was VERY important to her that Rusty was Harvard-bound for business school. She mentioned it frequently after he was admitted to Harv. Business School.

2- She viewed herself as a "good girl," involved with charitable causes and religious activities. I always felt that she was trying to appear to be "sweet" but wasn't. I thought she was judgmental. I can't put my finger on why. I am an outgoing type with a lot of female (and some male) friends, never had trouble making friends. Whenever I hung out with Rusty & Andrea there was a disconnect with her.

3- Another poster here on WS asked why Rusty was into Andrea at all. At that time, to be honest she was a lot less harsh-looking and prettier, and as I mentioned she did her best to seem very very sweet. Rusty was a total mommy and daddy's boy (in a good way- he adored his folks!), and they were delighted he was with a nice sweet Jewish girl.

Andrea fit VERY well into Rusty's world- a sweet, uncomplicated, nice-looking girl who laughed at his jokes (and he joked a lot). What I don't think Rusty saw was that she laughed ONLY at his jokes, was sweet mainly when he was around, and with other people she was different... she never seemed interested in someone unless they could help her in some way. I had such a great time in college, always hanging out with friends, and unless Rusty was there Andrea was never really smiley or nice. When he was around she was gaga-smiley.

4- I ran into Andrea & Rusty at a restaurant years after college while he was in business school at Harvard. I had not kept in touch with them, though we had friends in common so I knew generally how they were doing and what they were up to through those friends. Rusty was all smiles and hello and catching up. She was silent. I started feeling weird talking to them, so I said goodbye after a little while. Normally I would have at least talked for a while or asked for an email address to catch up more (this was pre-Facebook). Her silence made me feel like I was intruding and unwelcome.
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My take on Andrea's involvement in Rusty's murder is that she definitely had a full blown affair with him, and from day one has been trying to cover it up. I don't think that she would have wanted Rusty killed. This would never fit into her perfect life that she had set up for herself. I have read (wish I could remember where) that LE neglected to have the phone company save her texts and she deleted more than 1000 of them immediately and those texts are gone.

She has really hurt herself by not just confessing to the affair. Rusty's parents are so wonderful (I have met them several times), I am sure that a confession to them that she cheated would NEVER come out of her mouth. She is going to the wall to deny deny deny that affair.

Now that I am older I realize Andrea is most likely a narcissist. But I highly doubt she is a murderer. And I have NO love for her, believe me. I think all of these inconsistencies are about denying the affair at all costs.

Just my impressions, since you asked! :seeya:

 

[atthelake]

:bump:

This is a very interesting article that discusses the part Ariel (ex-wife of Hemy) and her attorney played in the investigation of HN. Apparently AS was very fixated on Rusty's wallet. ?

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/dunwoody-day-care-murder-trial-testimony-reinforce/nQSDS/

 

[atthelake]

I've missed something along the way and hope someone can clarify this for me: what was HN's original plan when he was found outside of the home by Rusty? Was he messing with the gas to prod Rusty and the kids outside so that HN could shoot him then? Or just cause a gas leak? But that would have endangered the kids too.

Thanks!

I have always wanted to know that also! In the interview, he said he was lying by the side of the house and I just wonder if he did something to the gas line? What was the result of that when the gas company came out to fix it?

 

[atthelake]

I would like to thank AT THE LAKE for the read-only thread. I learned so much.

One thing I caught which is damning was an article stating that Andrea usually took her children to pre-school, EXCEPT FOR THAT DAY.

Also hinky that HN was visiting the gun range on his daughter's birthday (and calling AS from there as well). It's my guess that prosecutors have a whole lot more evidence of conspiracy that has not been released to media YET. I am feeling more confident of a good outcome to this.

:seeya: I didn't know that she usually took kids to school and that he was at shooting range that day.....links!?

I've now completed going back to the BEGINNING and captured 175 media posts :what:....from when Rusty was shot, and put in the new thread at Websleuths for this trial which is media only, no discussion. Started last night, just finished at noon today! So ChickenPants, many more to see now. Heads up for folks. ACandyRose is taking time off and last case that she is documenting and capturing was Drew Peterson. This case for us is not archived. So if our links are gone poof....we don't have any documentation as ACandyRose used to archive for us. So we need to be more diligent in the future as to doing a summary each time we post an article in the future.........without of course, having copy rite issues that WS is strong on ............

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8322572#post8322572

Note that many of the Atlanta Journal Consitution links are now dead I found (when I was doing thread, I just cut/paste and didn't review). So, in the future, if you are on a computer and have the inclination, when you post a link here or there, give a little snip of what the article is about or a quote. I guess the AJC doesn't allow you to do older stuff on some of their articles as they want you to purchase the article in the archives? Perhaps someone else knows......more reason to search out/google those that are from channel 11, WSB, Dunwoody Crier etc whos links seem stable?

Anywhoooooo, I'm leaving even dead ones as the snippets from some at least give a timeline? And........I did it on a computer so you all don't have to tolerate my usual typos as I always seem to be viewing from my nook and posting fat finger responses with LOTS of typos! (not to be confused with drunk posting, lol!)

I still have moderator request...........for rearranging this trial thread perhaps. When I click on this, the media isn't a subthread? Fran, or another that does this type of thing, can we have a MAIN thread for the case, then the two threads we have had underneath them (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120580&highlight=Rusty+Sneiderman&page=10 was the first thread, then this one, and now the media thread at http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8322572#post8322572.

I would also suggest if that is done, that we do a legal thread for Q&A that is similar to what we had for FCA. Only legal folks can respond. As with the FCA trial, it was a place where no commentary was done, and as AZLawyer was able to do, it would allow our new member SpeakerDave to focus on what he wants to focus on (Legal!) and not have to read our "colorful commentary". I would really appreciate his legal only input myself, and have separated out from the main thread for Q&A (ha! perhaps we can get AZLawyer interested too?!)

He has stated that he is friends with one of the family members/extended family - so this may be a way where our postings do not "turn him off" IYKWIM - that is, if we already haven't. :seeya: speakerdave!

I would really like to set up a venue for him to continue posting here and think that would help us all? I would start a new thread, but not sure it will fall in the right place as the media thread, I cannot find it as a subthread and don't want the legal one to get lost.

Anyhow..........everyone, check out the new media thread that I contributed to to catch it up to now! http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8322572#post8322572

 

[OneLove]

I have always wanted to know that also! In the interview, he said he was lying by the side of the house and I just wonder if he did something to the gas line? What was the result of that when the gas company came out to fix it?

I've always wondered if Andrea TOLD Rusty that SHE smelled gas and sent him out there to "check on it". That would certainly smack of conspiracy. :what:

 

[ChickenPants]

I've always wondered if Andrea TOLD Rusty that SHE smelled gas and sent him out there to "check on it". That would certainly smack of conspiracy. :what:

OH WOW!

What a thought...she tells Rusty to go out and check on the leak hoping he will get whacked. I hope pros. picked up on this. Good for you!

To AT THE LAKE...I will go back through the plethora of links you posted and try to find the one I referenced about AS usually taking the kids to school.

Thanks to everyone for their hard work researching this case, and I very much enjoy reading everyone's comments. I hope I wasn't one who may have scared Speaker Dave off as I do run on at times...

 

[ChickenPants]

Here's the AS usually took kids to child care article, and it was provided by (ta da)...at the lake.
http://dunwoody.patch.com/articles/...ts-more-evidence-request-for-documents-denied

Apparently that is referenced in the comments section following the article.

I was interested to learn that before LE and the DA were up to speed on the affair, it was Ariela (formerly Neuman) and Esther Panitch who raised those red flags. Apparently Panitch subpoenaed prosecution for the evidence and was denied access to it as they were building their case. Their first denial was done incorrectly so she subpoenaed again and from what I understand was denied again.

I feel so sorry for Ariela. Apparently she suspected and confronted HN but he denied it, I read somewhere he kept telling her Andrea was "so smart!" It was only - painfully and suddenly and irreconcilably confirmed - when the police came to her door and told her about the murder. Of course she would want to know everything. And to be denied that information while scores of other people were learning all the details and kicking them around would be so humiliating. I have the profoundest respect for her and wish her all the best.

 

[ChickenPants]

Snipped from post on the other thread:


A subpoena for Victoria’s Secret, witness testimony about a silver van being spotted in front of the Sneiderman home on Nov. 18, and a fake beard in a bag are among the pieces of evidence newly filed by the DeKalb County Attorney’s Office in the case against Hemy Neuman, the man accused of gunning down a Dunwoody father outside of a pre-school.


What's up with the Victoria's Secret and wow, I never heard that the van was seen outside the Sneiderman's home, either!?

 

[ChickenPants]

Snipped from AT:

.... when the detectives and HN start discussing an e-mail that AS allegedly send to HN the night of 1/3/11 - the night BEFORE HN's scheduled 1/4/11 interview/interrorgation with law enforcement...REALLY???...Whiskey Tango Foxtrot????? HOW is that being "out of touch" with HN"??? Do we have a transcript or something about what this e-mail contained??? I would pay $50 to see the thing, since it wasn't fully commented upon on the interrogation tape. I will wager SERIOUS money that the e-mail either yanks HN buy the short ones, or more likely shows her desperation realizing the roof is caving in, telling HN that he just HAS to be stong, keep her uninvolved, and making $$$ and emotional promises...bets??? I ask as apparently AS found herself turning on a spit like a hog at a Bar-B-Q on 1/5/11..
[/I]

Agree!

 

[atthelake]

Please call me Atl!
Also ,does anyone have link or documentation as I recall that the family saw the gun...if you read through the media links and see, please come back here and post. Thanks.

Here's the AS usually took kids to child care article, and it was provided by (ta da)...at the lake.
http://dunwoody.patch.com/articles/...ts-more-evidence-request-for-documents-denied

Apparently that is referenced in the comments section following the article.

I was interested to learn that before LE and the DA were up to speed on the affair, it was Ariela (formerly Neuman) and Esther Panitch who raised those red flags. Apparently Panitch subpoenaed prosecution for the evidence and was denied access to it as they were building their case. Their first denial was done incorrectly so she subpoenaed again and from what I understand was denied again.

I feel so sorry for Ariela. Apparently she suspected and confronted HN but he denied it, I read somewhere he kept telling her Andrea was "so smart!" It was only - painfully and suddenly and irreconcilably confirmed - when the police came to her door and told her about the murder. Of course she would want to know everything. And to be denied that information while scores of other people were learning all the details and kicking them around would be so humiliating. I have the profoundest respect for her and wish her all the best.

 

[ChickenPants]

You can call me Chick, lol.

The only reference I recall about anyone seeing the gun was I read (or heard) that RUSTY said he thought he saw that the "intruder" had a gun...or did I dream that? Don't have a link.

No, I didn't dream it. I recall clearly thinking Rusty had some cajones (sp) to go out there and confront that situation. Now thinking that maybe Andrea set him up just makes my blood run cold. Because if she did, she was sitting in that house calmly planning the next step while totally disassociated from the fact that her husband barely missed being killed in the first one. This woman must really be a monster to play with the affections and lives of two men at the same time.

I am also a bit confused as to why she phoned her father in law but not her own mother after learning "Rusty was shot". There's no reason to believe she was at all estranged from her own parents (I read her mother was paying for her defense). Does anybody know if or when she contacted her mother? Maybe it's just me, but if I learned my spouse had been in a serious (or fatal) accident, I'd be on the phone to my mom to get comfort, support and the strength to break the news to his family. KNWIM? People in trouble usually call "mom!", not the name of an in-law. IMHO

Does anybody have any comments/insight about that? Thanks in advance.

 

[atthelake]

Snipped from AT:

.... when the detectives and HN start discussing an e-mail that AS allegedly send to HN the night of 1/3/11 - the night BEFORE HN's scheduled 1/4/11 interview/interrorgation with law enforcement...REALLY???...Whiskey Tango Foxtrot????? HOW is that being "out of touch" with HN"??? Do we have a transcript or something about what this e-mail contained??? I would pay $50 to see the thing, since it wasn't fully commented upon on the interrogation tape. I will wager SERIOUS money that the e-mail either yanks HN buy the short ones, or more likely shows her desperation realizing the roof is caving in, telling HN that he just HAS to be stong, keep her uninvolved, and making $$$ and emotional promises...bets??? I ask as apparently AS found herself turning on a spit like a hog at a Bar-B-Q on 1/5/11..
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Agree!

Was that not the one referenced where where she was going to come into the office to meet with folks, but rescheduled?

I am thinkinking that now to trial, there will be much discovery and disclosure, but not like FCA trial when we knew was released, and then saw defense spin in the media. Oh my, how Georgia is different from Florida....or that illowfight: :fishfight: that is going on in the Drew PterPeterson trial!

Durn, back on nook with fat fingers! Typos!

 

[ChickenPants]

Was that not the one referenced where where she was going to come into the office to meet with folks, but rescheduled?

I am thinkinking that now to trial, there will be much discovery and disclosure, but not like FCA trial when we knew was released, and then saw defense spin in the media. Oh my, how Georgia is different from Florida....or that illowfight: :fishfight: that is going on in the Drew PterPeterson trial!

Durn, back on nook with fat fingers! Typos!

IIRC AS called HN several times and he didn't pick up, claimed to detectives he had his phone in his pocket and ignored it, etc. I'm confused between that and the wanting to come in and meet with co-workers. In his interview, he did say she rescheduled it. I can't wrap my mind around it. Most importantly to me, this is according to HN, and then she has HER version of events - and both of them are liars. Like in the Peterson case with the "battle of the experts", the jury can listen to one and the other and toss out both, drawing their own conclusions about what happened. What happened, IMO is there was WAY TOO MUCH communication between those two before, during and after the event. Her continued insistence that it was normal to "talk to her boss" - NOT.

Having worked for decades and in upper management, too, I have never, ever heard of any 2 co-workers exchanging thousands of texts and e-mails. I still want to hear some testimony from G.E. about her job description and under what (if existing) circumstance her supervisor would need to accompany her on business trips. So, she was in management herself - is she saying she needed her boss to hold her hand and make sure she was doing her job? What other excuse would there be?

IMO sending her that love song and the timing was about as damning as you can get. She can insist all she wants that she was stalked and harassed and then claim she didn't take it seriously - well which is it? You can't have it both ways. If you are stalked and harassed you don't send pictures of your kids to your stalker and if he is being childish you don't egg him on by getting adjoining rooms.

I trust two things implicitly: (1) that prosecution would not have indicted her without great evidence (some of which we have probably not seen yet and (2) by lying on the stand and being arrogant she has already insulted the process and perjured herself, and that will be brought into testimony, and a jury will convict her on what was NOT said and NOT revealed as much as on what was. And I don't care how much she boo-hoos or even says "I lied! I admit there was an affair but I never dreamed this would happen!", the jury is going to see her prior testimony and they are going to dislike her intensely and say "once a liar, now a liar".

And let's not forget that the jury is also going to see her academy-award-losing meltdown AND her Mafia Hug of Death to her poor friend, whom she strong-armed out to the lobby and threatened...and I'm sure they will bring on plenty of witnesses to that little episode, too.

 

[dragonfly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAAxdQimkmM

This link includes Rusty Sneiderman's 911 call

 

[AbbieNormal]

You can call me Chick, lol.

The only reference I recall about anyone seeing the gun was I read (or heard) that RUSTY said he thought he saw that the "intruder" had a gun...or did I dream that? Don't have a link.

No, I didn't dream it. I recall clearly thinking Rusty had some cajones (sp) to go out there and confront that situation. Now thinking that maybe Andrea set him up just makes my blood run cold. Because if she did, she was sitting in that house calmly planning the next step while totally disassociated from the fact that her husband barely missed being killed in the first one. This woman must really be a monster to play with the affections and lives of two men at the same time.

I am also a bit confused as to why she phoned her father in law but not her own mother after learning "Rusty was shot". There's no reason to believe she was at all estranged from her own parents (I read her mother was paying for her defense). Does anybody know if or when she contacted her mother? Maybe it's just me, but if I learned my spouse had been in a serious (or fatal) accident, I'd be on the phone to my mom to get comfort, support and the strength to break the news to his family. KNWIM? People in trouble usually call "mom!", not the name of an in-law. IMHO

Does anybody have any comments/insight about that? Thanks in advance.

Didn't sshe pick her mother up and take her to the hospital emergency room? I could be wrong but IIRC that's what happened.

abbie:moo:

 

[AbbieNormal]

The one call (the first?) lasted, I think, 45 secs. What could they have said in 45 secs.?

How about-" Its done. I shot him. He's dead. Are you ok? Lets not call each other so much for now. I love you, Andrea...." with whatever Bs she inserted in between.

abbie :moo:

 

[ChickenPants]

Didn't sshe pick her mother up and take her to the hospital emergency room? I could be wrong but IIRC that's what happened.

abbie:moo:

I wonder if when she called her mother (which should be in the record of her calls), she said "Rusty's been shot!". From what I understand, mother and brother have closed ranks around her and are all about her agenda. It would be interesting in HER trial to subpoena her mother and have her say under oath exactly when and how she was informed about the "accident".

Where were here kids when all of this was going down, anyway?

 

[rustyfriend]

I wonder if when she called her mother (which should be in the record of her calls), she said "Rusty's been shot!". From what I understand, mother and brother have closed ranks around her and are all about her agenda. It would be interesting in HER trial to subpoena her mother and have her say under oath exactly when and how she was informed about the "accident".

Where were here kids when all of this was going down, anyway?

My understanding is that Andrea left her son at the preschool and went home for a short period of time before going to the hospital. I have a vague recollection that the preschool director encouraged Andrea to leave him there because he was safe and unaware that anything was wrong. Does anyone else remember that? I believe it's in the testimony of the preschool director at the HN trial.

AS's family has circled around her from day one. Even if they knew she was involved, they'd never ever sell her out. They're the ones who raised a narcissist, so it's pretty much what I'd expect from them.

 

[rustyfriend]

Here is an interesting recent interview with Hemy's attorneys (post Andrea's bond hearing).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DltfEV5hPw4&feature=player_embedded#!

"We don't believe there was a conspiracy between Andrea and Hemy. We believe Andrea manipulated Hemy to do her bidding unbeknownst to him."

Is a jury really going to convict Andrea for manipulating Hemy?? That would be a tough sell for me if I were a juror.

 

[ChickenPants]

Here is an interesting recent interview with Hemy's attorneys (post Andrea's bond hearing).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DltfEV5hPw4&feature=player_embedded#!

"We don't believe there was a conspiracy between Andrea and Hemy. We believe Andrea manipulated Hemy to do her bidding unbeknownst to him."

Is a jury really going to convict Andrea for manipulating Hemy?? That would be a tough sell for me if I were a juror.

I was of your opinion until I re-read a lot of the articles posted on the the other thread and learned some more things.

It wouldn't be just manipulation if the pros. can prove that AS was aware of activities of HN which indicated he was planning something. For instance, hetells her he is in love with her, they have these back and forths and then she breaks it off. He then goes and buys a gun and calls her from the gun shop, goes to the shooting range and calls her from there.....it is reasonable to believe that she would be aware of something. Unless DT wants to prove she was totally stupid or forcing herself not to face the music. I don't think they can prove that.

Another thing I think will point to conspiracy is if it can be determined that Andrea knew about the first attempt when HN was hiding outside of the home. She phoned him after that. They can retrieve records of calls and texts off of a hard drive, but can they retrieve the contents? That is KEY.
People including her friend have testified that the minute Rusty was shot, they suspected HN. Would it then be reasonable to conclude she did not? Why would she put out names of other suspects and try to divert LE away from him? It's reasonable to conclude that as evidence started pouring in she changed tactics to cut and run. And why would she do that and continue to lie about everything unless she is guilty? The evidence of the affair was overwhelming. Too late to hide that. So one must conclude she has more to hide. People who have nothing to hide have no reason to lie.

It's also damning, IMO that Andrea and her family tried to prevent LE from searching her home, during which time they went hell for leather deleting things.

I trust prosecution has more evidence or they would not have indicted her. Because they already have the perp. convicted for life with no parole. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose by making a mistake here.

MOO as always.