GUILTY GA - Rusty Sneiderman shot to death at Dunwoody preschool, 18 Nov 2010 #4

[Tipstaff]

Ok, thanks. That's what I thought. I've heard bits and pieces of this. What a mess she has created of everybody's lives.

It is somewhat weird that she is going above and beyond to try to cover up the Hemy affair that so obviously happened... yet she seems to have no problem with openly being with this man that she stole from her friend while her friend was 6 months pregnant. I just scratch my head as to what the h#ll these people are thinking.

Looking at the big picture here and adding 2 + 2 it seems to me that AS set up HN to kill Rusty so she could move on with her life.

HN fell for AS tricks and treats all the way to prison. JMO

 

[JusticeJunkie]

The def attorney has enough experience to know he shouldn't say "cherry pick". Another underhanded tactic.

 

[lisasalinger]

Looking at the big picture here and adding 2 + 2 it seems to me that AS set up HN to kill Rusty so she could move on with her life.

HN fell for AS tricks and treats all the way to prison. JMO

I can see where people believe that may be the case, and who knows, it most certainly could be what happened here.

But being somebody who came in to this green and has primarily followed along with what is being presented in the past week, I don't necessarily believe at this time that she set the whole thing up. I'll tell you why briefly.

First, I would have to imagine that convincing somebody to murder on your behalf is no small task. There is nothing in Hemy's past or in his personality at the time prior to the murder (that we know of) that indicated he could be a cold-blooded murderer.

I don't know how the heck you even broach a subject like that with somebody. Even if she did somehow insinuate to him that she would be with him forever if Rusty was no longer in the picture, and no matter how much he loved her and wanted to be with her... you obviously need to be one sick b#st#rd to carry that out. It goes way beyond love. Clearly, Hemy is one sick b#st#rd. Did Andrea realize this about him and use him? I don't know... maybe. I just don't see any specific proof of that happening.

There is no question in my mind whatsoever that they had an affair and that she tried to cover it up to protect him and more importantly herself. And to me, she clearly suspected that Hemy was responsible for both stalking Rusty at the house and ultimately murdering him... I really have no doubt about that, that she knew it was him.

But I just haven't seen anything concrete that proves her direct activity in a murder plot. I do think they were right to drop the murder charges. They risk being able to convict her of anything if they overcharge. From where we are right now, I think the prosecution has a really good chance of winning a conviction on perjury and I totally agree with these charges.

IMO

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Wonder why the new man in Andrea's life is not in court today. Perhaps he was uncomfortable with him being "outed" as to his name and such?!?!

:seeya:

BBM: Maybe AS's "new man" has decided to make a run for it ?

:scared: If not, he better start running ... and running fast ... while he is still alive ...

:scared:

ETA: You'd have to be cray cray cray to want her as your gf/wife ... MOO !

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I was gone for a sec. Was this covered on direct?

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I can see where people believe that may be the case, and who knows, it most certainly could be what happened here.

But being somebody who came in to this green and has primarily followed along with what is being presented in the past week, I don't necessarily believe at this time that she set the whole thing up. I'll tell you why briefly.

First, I would have to imagine that convincing somebody to murder on your behalf is no small task. There is nothing in Hemy's past or in his personality at the time prior to the murder (that we know of) that indicated he could be a cold-blooded murderer.

I don't know how the heck you even broach a subject like that with somebody. Even if she did somehow insinuate to him that she would be with him forever if Rusty was no longer in the picture, and no matter how much he loved her and wanted to be with her... you obviously need to be one sick b#st#rd to carry that out. It goes way beyond love. Clearly, Hemy is one sick b#st#rd. Did Andrea realize this about him and use him? I don't know... maybe. I just don't see any specific proof of that happening.

There is no question in my mind whatsoever that they had an affair and that she tried to cover it up to protect him and more importantly herself. And to me, she clearly suspected that Hemy was responsible for both stalking Rusty at the house and ultimately murdering him... I really have no doubt about that, that she knew it was him.

But I just haven't seen anything concrete that proves her direct activity in a murder plot. I do think they were right to drop the murder charges. They risk being able to convict her of anything if they overcharge. From where we are right now, I think the prosecution has a really good chance of winning a conviction on perjury and I totally agree with these charges.

IMO

She did "insinuate" it to HM. She told him she would never divorce Rusty. That really only leaves one option if he wants to marry her.

 

[lisasalinger]

I can see where people believe that may be the case, and who knows, it most certainly could be what happened here.

But being somebody who came in to this green and has primarily followed along with what is being presented in the past week, I don't necessarily believe at this time that she set the whole thing up. I'll tell you why briefly.

First, I would have to imagine that convincing somebody to murder on your behalf is no small task. There is nothing in Hemy's past or in his personality at the time prior to the murder (that we know of) that indicated he could be a cold-blooded murderer.

I don't know how the heck you even broach a subject like that with somebody. Even if she did somehow insinuate to him that she would be with him forever if Rusty was no longer in the picture, and no matter how much he loved her and wanted to be with her... you obviously need to be one sick b#st#rd to carry that out. It goes way beyond love. Clearly, Hemy is one sick b#st#rd. Did Andrea realize this about him and use him? I don't know... maybe. I just don't see any specific proof of that happening.

There is no question in my mind whatsoever that they had an affair and that she tried to cover it up to protect him and more importantly herself. And to me, she clearly suspected that Hemy was responsible for both stalking Rusty at the house and ultimately murdering him... I really have no doubt about that, that she knew it was him.

But I just haven't seen anything concrete that proves her direct activity in a murder plot. I do think they were right to drop the murder charges. They risk being able to convict her of anything if they overcharge. From where we are right now, I think the prosecution has a really good chance of winning a conviction on perjury and I totally agree with these charges.

IMO

With all that said... my eyes and ears are open. I could very well change my mind down the road, the more I hear. I always look at these cases thru the eyes of a juror. Looking for proof and trying not to let my theories and beliefs get the better of me. So if you were a prosecutor in this case, what evidence would you present to prove murder charges? Just curious... thanks in advance

 

[Tipstaff]

I can see where people believe that may be the case, and who knows, it most certainly could be what happened here.

But being somebody who came in to this green and has primarily followed along with what is being presented in the past week, I don't necessarily believe at this time that she set the whole thing up. I'll tell you why briefly.

First, I would have to imagine that convincing somebody to murder on your behalf is no small task. There is nothing in Hemy's past or in his personality at the time prior to the murder (that we know of) that indicated he could be a cold-blooded murderer.

I don't know how the heck you even broach a subject like that with somebody. Even if she did somehow insinuate to him that she would be with him forever if Rusty was no longer in the picture, and no matter how much he loved her and wanted to be with her... you obviously need to be one sick b#st#rd to carry that out. It goes way beyond love. Clearly, Hemy is one sick b#st#rd. Did Andrea realize this about him and use him? I don't know... maybe. I just don't see any specific proof of that happening.

There is no question in my mind whatsoever that they had an affair and that she tried to cover it up to protect him and more importantly herself. And to me, she clearly suspected that Hemy was responsible for both stalking Rusty at the house and ultimately murdering him... I really have no doubt about that, that she knew it was him.

But I just haven't seen anything concrete that proves her direct activity in a murder plot. I do think they were right to drop the murder charges. They risk being able to convict her of anything if they overcharge. From where we are right now, I think the prosecution has a really good chance of winning a conviction on perjury and I totally agree with these charges.

IMO

This is a thought provoking post. And you do give the defendant the benefit of presumption of innocence in this trial.

I lost this presumption while watching her testify in the HN trial. She was self serving, self important and self absorbed. I believed within a very short time of working for HN she realized he was the perfect vehicle to change her life and she set him up to do her bidding and that was to kill Rusty.

I believe she kept herself available to HN just enough for HN to believe that if Rusty was not in the picture that AS would be with HN. I don't think it took much more for HN.

AS saw the vulnerability of HN (or even the mental illness) of HN.

I do believe this trial for the perjury trial is not what the State wanted but is a ramp up to a murder trial if HN is recovered from his mental illness and will flip on AS.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

With all that said... my eyes and ears are open. I could very well change my mind down the road, the more I hear. I always look at these cases thru the eyes of a juror. Looking for proof and trying not to let my theories and beliefs get the better of me. So if you were a prosecutor in this case, what evidence would you present to prove murder charges? Just curious... thanks in advance

This is not a murder trial. You've already convicted her of all charges in this trial in your post.
We'll go from there.
IMO

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Hmm... Mr. Important Attorney, Hemy was found guilty, but mentally ill, but NOT guilty but insane.

 

[lisasalinger]

She did "insinuate" it to HM. She told him she would never divorce Rusty. That really only leaves one option if he wants to marry her.

That is true. But let's play both sides of the coin as if we were in court. The defense could easily argue that she meant what she said. She wasn't going to leave her husband, therefore she had no desire to ever marry Hemy. What he did with that information, is solely on him.

Just because we see it as an insinuation, doesn't mean it was. We would be speculating about what she may have wanted. That is not proof.

IMO

 

[TorisMom003]

She did "insinuate" it to HM. She told him she would never divorce Rusty. That really only leaves one option if he wants to marry her.

Not to mention the fact that Hemy told Andrea that he wanted to marry her and instead of saying No outright she tells him that she would never divorce Rusty. Andrea continued on with the relationship after sending emails to Hemy about how bad she felt for being in a relationship with someone other than her husband. Then there is also the knowledge that Hemy had of when Rusty would be at the daycare. How did he find that out if not from Andrea, especially since Andrea took their daughter to daycare much earlier than Rusty took their son. Then we have the four phone calls to Hemy immediately after Andrea is called and notified of an "accident" that Rusty had been in by the daycare. If the reason for those four phone calls had been to simply let her boss know that she had left work in a hurry and why, then she would have left him a message on voice mail or sent him a text.

MOO

 

[dog.gone.cute]

He was. Her name was mentioned by AS in one of the tapes as one of the people at the house to help out.

As far as when the relationship started, I'm sure neither is telling. There have been those who believe he was the party she was desirous of being with when she suckered Hemy into killing Rusty.

One fact is known, though. His wife served divorce papers on him about the time Andrea testified at Hemy's trial. He escorted her away from the courthouse after she was kicked out for her antics/threats to Shayna. The wife was 6 months pregnant at the time.

BBM: WOW ! I didn't know that part, although I did watch the video of AS being escorted out of the court with all of her :dramaqueen: drama ...

:seeya:

 

[lisasalinger]

This is not a murder trial. You've already convicted her of all charges in this trial in your post.
We'll go from there.
IMO

Yes, I know the murder charges were dropped. I'm just playing out a what if type scenario here to see if I can get to the bottom of why people feel strongly that she was involved in the murder plot. Please don't misunderstand, I'm not at all being critical. I totally respect both sides of it. Just digging a little to get up to full speed. Thanks for indulging me

 

[JusticeJunkie]

That is true. But let's play both sides of the coin as if we were in court. The defense could easily argue that she meant what she said. She wasn't going to leave her husband, therefore she had no desire to ever marry Hemy. What he did with that information, is solely on him.

Just because we see it as an insinuation, doesn't mean it was. We would be speculating about what she may have wanted. That is not proof.

IMO

But the on-going communication does not support that.
When they first told AS Hemy had been arrested - what do you think he said about you.
Her first words were that Hemy thought she loved him. She knew that he thought that, and she took advantage of it by egging him on.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Yes, I know the murder charges were dropped. I'm just playing out a what if type scenario here to see if I can get to the bottom of why people feel strongly that she was involved in the murder plot. Please don't misunderstand, I'm not at all being critical. I totally respect both sides of it. Just digging a little to get up to full speed. Thanks for indulging me

I get ya, and it's good to ask questions. Keeps everyone on their feet ,friend.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Who is interviewing who? Why don't they show us?

ETA: Oh, the realtor.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Judge questioning wit!! lol

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Well, that, IMHO, was a flop at impeachment! Prosecution didn't bother to fix this.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

So there!! Your client is a gritch, def.

OMG state rested!!