GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

[tomkat]

Former investigator sheds light.....

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/former-investigator-sheds-light-case-beheaded-man-/nfsSj/

"As an investigator, first thing I would do is look at other parts of the country and see if there are other crimes that parallel this," Summers said.

The FBI is involved, at least in part because Shirley Dermond is missing. But they would also investigate a multistate serial killer.

"If it is a serial killer, he's operating in such a way ... he's been in that community for a while."

"I'd definitely be interviewing anybody on the lake for any single males, probably white males they've seen in kayaks or canoes," Summers said.

Summers said investigators are also likely looking at a connection to organized crime.

After watching this interview I googled U.S. beheading and this is what I found.

http://www.krgv.com/news/expert-says-beheadings-in-u-s-look-like-work-of-cartels/

Three beheadings in two different states and they happened here in the United States, not Mexico.

Former DEA supervisor Phil Jordan says all three beheadings have cartel written all over them. They happened in Arizona and Oklahoma in the past year.


I'm reading up on some of this but offer it as food for thought.

Cog, did you see my earlier post about the Mexican cartel ring in ATL just recently

 

[tomkat]

I do not believe taking Mr. D's head was to slap or antagonize LE It was to send a message or the perp was just following directions.

JMO

Sounds like a message or a statement to me

 

[cog]

Imo, these insights by APD Summers may have been very good recommendations for investigators in the Dermond abduction/murder/decapitation before the Newaubian Cult info resurfaced..

Imo, FBI VICAP will hold the answers to many of the questions in the Dermond investigation...

Issues regarding Talking Heads in the Media
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1#ten

Fox, do you think they obtained DNA at the home? It seems to me they have not gotten anything yet. What am I missing?

I know full well about the talking heads. LOL I thought the one given his Opinion was retired law. Maybe I just thought that and if so I apologize.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I do not believe taking Mr. D's head was to slap or antagonize LE It was to send a message or the perp was just following directions.

JMO

I have to side with Sheriff Sills on this one and he believes the head was taken to hide evidence. He also mentioned self preservation which imo means Sills thinks the killer wanted to distance the head from the body in order to protect himself from being linked to the crime. "Self preservation.'

 

[cog]

Cog, did you see my earlier post about the Mexican cartel ring in ATL just recently

No I did not but I'll try to find it. Scary crazy what those types will do. I just don't see it being a cartel for the D's. Partly due to were they live and their age.

Who knows I'm hoping they get something strong to look into soon!

 

[Litig8ter]

I have to side with Sheriff Sills on this one and he believes the head was taken to hide evidence. He also mentioned self preservation which imo means Sills thinks the killer wanted to distance the head from the body in order to protect himself from being linked to the crime. "Self preservation.'

This is one part I am having trouble with. I cannot imagine how someone could behead another without leaving all sorts of DNA on the body (unless they came dressed in a hazmat suit). So they spend the time and effort to remove the head to take evidence with them and in the process leave a bunch more behind. What am I missing?

 

[Cardinal47]

That is what I've read, no outside yard help. The house was spotless.

Maybe it's just some young guy they would see kayaking and wave too. You know? They might have seen the same young man on the golf course or at the grocery. They didn't KNOW him but occasionally spoke a hello or a wave.

They say this murder is personal. They say there was no blood splatter, no mess, no breaking and entering, nothing missing.

He just wanted them dead. Maybe it was just an URGE he could no longer resist. No reason, he just kills. Maybe the thrill is getting bigger hence the need to play a little game. Take the head and hide her. Make the cops work to figure it out?

Just guessing as best I can. It seemed to be a pretty clean kill on both of them. Even the decapitation. Personal but cold. No revenge or wildly psychotic killer. Just a killer. Out to do it again.

:banghead:

It makes me wonder if this monster wants the head to be found? If yes will he surface to give a clue or was this missing head just something to drive everybody crazy with the wondering of where it could be!

 

[Cardinal47]

We heard the opinions of Sheriff Sills from the first discovery of the bodies.

I wonder if his thoughts on how all of this went down have changed but he has not held a press conference with new ideas of what he NOW thinks actually happened.

Either they are onto something or they got...nothing!

MOO

 

[tomkat]

This is one part I am having trouble with. I cannot imagine how someone could behead another without leaving all sorts of DNA on the body (unless they came dressed in a hazmat suit). So they spend the time and effort to remove the head to take evidence with them and in the process leave a bunch more behind. What am I missing?

that he hid the head so noone would see the evidence that traces back to him/her

but left a trail of blood of his own?


:facepalm:

what do YOU think about the head being missing ?

 

[tomkat]

We heard the opinions of Sheriff Sills from the first discovery of the bodies.

I wonder if his thoughts on how all of this went down have changed but he has not held a press conference with new ideas of what he NOW thinks actually happened.

Either they are onto something or they got...nothing!

MOO

heard THAT one before !

Probably have some ideas but are waiting on forensics, if they'd print off a list for us we'd be less confused :floorlaugh:


maybe soon we will get reports in the media on the nuwabian cult and any connection or LACK thereof, since every week we seem to get updates in the media relating to our "strange" posts or ideas here :seeya:

 

[tomkat]

It makes me wonder if this monster wants the head to be found? If yes will he surface to give a clue or was this missing head just something to drive everybody crazy with the wondering of where it could be!

he took it to his leader:ufo:


or he was hiding a bullet in the head that links him to his service weapon ?

I dont' think they want it found really

 

[Cardinal47]

that he hid the head so noone would see the evidence that traces back to him/her

but left a trail of blood of his own?


:facepalm:

what do YOU think about the head being missing ?

This guy took all kinds of risks. Moving the body back to the garage after killing Mr. Dermond. Taking his head somewhere else. Taking Mrs. Dermond on a boat ride to her final destination.

Who does that and nobody sees anything and no evidence is left and nothing is missing?

Able to enter and leave at least once and maybe more often not being detected by security systems in the house that the son said were being used.

Security gates and guards at the entrance. Did he use a boat, car, truck. Evidence there?

Almost like it was the phantom that visited the Dermond household.

Thinking of it all this killer achieved quite a bit. Plus what kind of monster could witness somebody's head being chopped off by their own hand?

Things I ponder.

 

[Cardinal47]

he took it to his leader:ufo:


or he was hiding a bullet in the head that links him to his service weapon ?

I dont' think they want it found really

I have never believed the theory he took the head to hide evidence.

Surely somebody this creepy would have thought of that and made a plan that would not leave evidence.

I think Sheriff Sills is wrong on that one.

 

[tomkat]

Body of man found in Lake Sinclair
http://www.msgr.com/news/local_news/article_6d0a866c-e827-11e3-a182-0019bb2963f4.html

Family members reported finding “his boat and it looked like it had been in an accident.”

I'm sure unrelated but geez this will probably be a year the Putnam SO won't soon forget. Sad.

HOLY GRAIL, I aint sure of nothing CP !

That is nearer the 441 where the realtor was found, getting closer to the DAM

 

[cog]

It makes me wonder if this monster wants the head to be found? If yes will he surface to give a clue or was this missing head just something to drive everybody crazy with the wondering of where it could be!

I go back and forth on that. I agree with others that the head is missing because it contains evidence that would trace back to him but then.....I think he was so clean about everything so I wonder if this is just to keep as a trophy or is he messing with someone or....is he smart enough or experienced enough to make LE work double time looking for a body and looking for a head all the while trying to find dna or any evidence to trace to the perp.

I don't know just thinking out loud.

 

[Peppery]

or he was hiding a bullet in the head that links him to his service weapon ?

I dont' think they want it found really

This, coupled with Sills' odd statement at the beginning that everyone was a suspect except him, gives me the willies.

 

[tomkat]

No I did not but I'll try to find it. Scary crazy what those types will do. I just don't see it being a cartel for the D's. Partly due to were they live and their age.

Who knows I'm hoping they get something strong to look into soon!

NO I dont' believe it was anything to do with them either, just interesting article, I think they were charged,

anything could be a connection tho or they knew something, WHO KNOWS

 

[tomkat]

I have never believed the theory he took the head to hide evidence.

Surely somebody this creepy would have thought of that and made a plan that would not leave evidence.

I think Sheriff Sills is wrong on that one.

Thanks, me either !

Litig8er had a great point,

the perp took the head off to hide evidence but leaves his own dna evidence behind in the melee, possibly??? WTH, haha, we can hope

of course we shall see if they have any dna when the tests come back in 12 months, jeesh, kidding, I hope not that long

 

[tomkat]

This, coupled with Sills' odd statement at the beginning that everyone was a suspect except him, gives me the willies.

what does that mean??

he doesn't have a clue ??

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This is one part I am having trouble with. I cannot imagine how someone could behead another without leaving all sorts of DNA on the body (unless they came dressed in a hazmat suit). So they spend the time and effort to remove the head to take evidence with them and in the process leave a bunch more behind. What am I missing?

Since Sills doesn't even believe that Russ was murdered in the garage, I imagine any evidence was left wherever the murders occurred. He only seemed to drag the body a short way into the garage when leaving it. He may have had gloves on at the time and may have made sure he did not walk in any blood.

I am not sure they did leave a whole bunch of evidence behind. It seems if they had found any bloody fingerprints in the garage they would have put a rush on them like they have done in other cases and in a couple of cases the results were returned in 2-3 days. I know a rush on evidence happened in the Gee murder cases and in the Heinz mass murder cases and they identified the suspects in that amount of time. If he had really left a bunch of evidence behind I think an arrest would have been made by this length of time.

In this case though I believe we are dealing with a much smarter murderer who took every precaution to protect himself. Imo, he had thought about this and planned it out in his mind for quite awhile.

It may never be solved either.

IMO