GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

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steelman said:
A month has gone by.........two elderly people massacred and killed in a retirement community.

No suspect or person of interest named.

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Yep, you'd atleast HOPE for a POI by now, maybe they'll dig up something with these out of area investigations they say they are doing
 
These guys are just hoping that somebody, ...anybody, will come forward to help and explain this crime.

I'll check back in a couple of weeks from now to see if they have actually developed a suspect. Hopefully, at the very least Sheriff Sills will still be playing cat-and-mouse with the killers, as you all hope he is. I think he is just an old guy, looking forward to retirement himself, hoping like hell that his career doesn't end on this note.
 
OMG

No APPARENT motive at this time
Nothing taken
not known to the victims (maybe slightly acquainted)
wanted to borrow something
opened front door and let him in
first murder
hunter/surgeon/or young man has been killing and dismembering animals
they'll be quiet for a while
then strike again
WHY IS SILLS saying there is no need to panic
When he says he is stumped
he thinks that someone they KNEW did this, or acquaintence

THEN
they could have been targeted for someTHING they KNOW by someone they know
OR
targeted by a serial killer acquaintenance

that's talking out of both sides of your mouth IMO !
 
Cross referencing those cell tower pings, phone records, computer files...told a tale in the Sneiderman case. We don't even think about it as we drive past tower after tower after tower. Did the killer turn his phone off?

Follow the electronic footprint. Everybody leaves one if you talk, text, or tap on a keyboard.
The lid is very tight on this one -especially with the Atlanta media. Which is odd, IMO.
Where is Mark Winne from Channel 2?
 
steelman said:
These guys are just hoping that somebody, ...anybody, will come forward to help and explain this crime.

I'll check back in a couple of weeks from now to see if they have actually developed a suspect. Hopefully, at the very least Sheriff Sills will still be playing cat-and-mouse with the killers, as you all hope he is. I think he is just an old guy, looking forward to retirement himself, hoping like hell that his career doesn't end on this note.
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Good point oh angry one :seeya:
 
lakeoconee said:
"That photo prompted another idea...that looks likes an area which could *possibly* be a no wake zone? I didn't realize that the channel was so narrow where they lived. Perhaps they yelled at folks who came by to slow down, and they were upset? "


It's not a channel but a very small inlet. Nobody could even speed by that dock unless a jet ski and I,m not sure that would be possible. It's a very quiet neighborhood. I have never heard of anything rowdy even lakeside there. I can't imagine any dockside confrontation. In all my years here, never heard of anything like that. Most of us old folks enjoy seeing the kids having fun. And everything I have heard about the Dermonds makes me believe they would agree with that attitude.

I could possibly get chastised by one of the PC folks here. However, I do not think a black person did this, and I don't know of any white Nuwaubians. I discussed this close black friends. My point was decapitation is not a typical black thing. Mexican or South American, yes. Muslim, hell yes. But that's a stretch for even the fertile imaginations I've encountered here. My other point is that as a rule black people are respectful toward old people. Throw drugs in and I'll abandon that generality. However, my black friends weren't impressed with my logic. They said to a person that if a black person had done this, they would have robbed the place. They wouldn't have done this for any weird reason, gang stuff aside.

I keep hearing from you about the terror in the neighborhood. That's not happening. Maybe Sills's media management is responsible. But from the first morning RD's body was found, deputies assured neighbors that this was targeted. LIfe goes on around here. My pistol is dusted off. Security systems are in use, but there is no panic.

One more thing, the security cameras at the security gates are not well-known. Residents don't even know they are there, and they have never functioned reliably. I've said before that "security" is meant to help people maintain a certain amount of privacy. This has never been a "secure compound" you might picture in a third world environment.

Hope I can get some reaction to my opinions.
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"lakeoconee" - just want to thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge, info and thoughts. I'm sure I speak for many here that we really value and appreciate it immensely.
 
steelman said:
These guys are just hoping that somebody, ...anybody, will come forward to help and explain this crime.

I'll check back in a couple of weeks from now to see if they have actually developed a suspect. Hopefully, at the very least Sheriff Sills will still be playing cat-and-mouse with the killers, as you all hope he is. I think he is just an old guy, looking forward to retirement himself, hoping like hell that his career doesn't end on this note.
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And I think you underestimate him, IMO.

There's more to a murder investigation than just identifying a POI and publicly proclaiming it. Sometimes you have to watch and wait, build up a case, gather more intel.......cross all of your "Ts" and dot all of your "Is" because you want to ensure you have the most solid evidence/case to go before the courts. IMO, the fact that we've received no real significant updates says to me that there are lots of things going on in the background that we the public can't be privy too, for obvious reasons. Part of a murder case is to establish an M.O.....and maybe more time and behind the scenes investigation is taking place to gather such info. Not sure why you seem to come across so pessimistic and with such a chip against Sills. *shrug*
 
Someone asked earlier if we know anything about what the Dermonds may have owned. That caused me to remember that Spokeo.com lists property on Cedar Ridge Drive in Greensboro, GA in his name. Not sure if he owned this at the time of his death. I wonder if he purchased it at the same time that he purchased the lot in GW. Looking on google earth you can see how near this is to their home in GW. It's just a little north and on the other side of the lake.
 
I hope this case is solved so we get some answers!

I still can't understand why the bodies weren't left in the same place! Why if you're going to kill two people, just leave them both in the garage, or on the property, or wherever they were killed! Why go through the trouble, and risk being caught with a a dead body, to move them? I mean seriously! Road checks, tail light out, and cop pulls you over, how do you explain the dead bodies you're hauling around???

I wonder about the Derby party...was it open to everyone and held at one of the club houses? Or was it a private party with only certain neighbors invited? Did the murderer know the Dermonds planned to attend the party? Did the murderer even know there was a party? I don't see the murderer staying at the home for a period of time, especially after the murders. Before the murders, only if it was someone known the Dermonds, and they had a glass of wine together, or were discussing a business deal, or family matter, and things went wrong. But, then again, if there wasn't a huge obvious crime scene, that kinda blows that theory apart as well. Rage killing, huge mess. Planned killing, less mess.

Hate when LE quits saying anything, and no media updates. I know sometimes it means they are closing in on a perp, and an arrest will come soon. In other cases, it becomes a cold case. FBI involved or not. Abigail Hernandez hasn't been found, and FBI was involved. Alexis Murphy's body has never been found, though there as conviction for her murder, and FBI was involved.
 
Anyone ever heard of the murders of Mr and Mrs Haysom in VA? There was talk among the community of a cult being involved due to the crime scene. Turns out, their daughter and her boyfriend were convicted of the murders. I don't know if family ever stated it might be a cult in that case or not. Been many years ago... I think around 89 or early 90's.
 
2Hope4 said:
I hope this case is solved so we get some answers!

I still can't understand why the bodies weren't left in the same place! Why if you're going to kill two people, just leave them both in the garage, or on the property, or wherever they were killed! Why go through the trouble, and risk being caught with a a dead body, to move them? I mean seriously! Road checks, tail light out, and cop pulls you over, how do you explain the dead bodies you're hauling around???

I wonder about the Derby party...was it open to everyone and held at one of the club houses? Or was it a private party with only certain neighbors invited? Did the murderer know the Dermonds planned to attend the party? Did the murderer even know there was a party? I don't see the murderer staying at the home for a period of time, especially after the murders. Before the murders, only if it was someone known the Dermonds, and they had a glass of wine together, or were discussing a business deal, or family matter, and things went wrong. But, then again, if there wasn't a huge obvious crime scene, that kinda blows that theory apart as well. Rage killing, huge mess. Planned killing, less mess.

Hate when LE quits saying anything, and no media updates. I know sometimes it means they are closing in on a perp, and an arrest will come soon. In other cases, it becomes a cold case. FBI involved or not. Abigail Hernandez hasn't been found, and FBI was involved. Alexis Murphy's body has never been found, though there as conviction for her murder, and FBI was involved.
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Just a thought. What if they were killed on a boat out in the lake? Perhaps the perp planned the double dump sites to make it appear as if it was something it was not.
Over thinking things...
Hide a body in the lake.
Place a body at the home.

The headless horseman keeps running through my brain.
I wonder if RD liked horses.
Does New Jersey have horse races? I have no clue.

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Oh and the party! I googled some derby "events" in the Reynolds Plantation area.
One was reported about. RSVPS were done and there was a $50 per person ticket purchase. Very high society like. Hats and all. I can't recall where it was held.

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gngr~snap said:
Oh and the party! I googled some derby "events" in the Reynolds Plantation area.
One was reported about. RSVPS were done and there was a $50 per person ticket purchase. Very high society like. Hats and all. I can't recall where it was held.

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Define 'high society-like' please and also how such may be relevant to the case.

Bolding by me
 
Starry Night said:
Define 'high society-like' please and also how such may be relevant to the case.

Bolding by me
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Ok it was $85 per ticket in Madison County. About 20 miles from the Dermond home.
I REALLY can see them here. All for a good cause.
FWIW.
http://www.mmcgeorgia.org/ai1ec_event/derby-day/?instance_id=

Define High Society... umm VERY formal. I am sure it's a matter of opinion. Other than a wedding I have never formally RSVP'd to a "party".
Nor have I ever bought or worn derby hats etc...
I am not sure how it could be relevant to the case other than the fact that they were possibly killed before/during the party and unable to attend.
If it was 20 miles away it's not like party goers could just drop by to ask why they didn't attend.
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oceanblueeyes said:
Hi there Jabam!:seeya:

No matter a person's age they have the same amount of blood as any human.:)

And older people tend to have high blood pressure so if he was murdered, decapitated in the home there would be a tremendous amount of blood spatter. It would be like severing a hose filled with compressed air and when it is cut the air blows out everywhere in all directions. So I don't agree that there would be less blood spatter. Once the main arteries were severed it would spew out with great force everywhere. And we know that Shirley was also bludgeoned to death. Another thing that causes tremendous blood spatter. And for all we know Russ could have been murdered the same way.............creating even more blood spatter.

I don't think the Dermond home was ever entered by the killer. I don't know of any murderer who would take the time to make everything look immaculate before they left. I think the home was neat because that is the way Shirley always kept it.

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If Mr. Dermond was deceased prior to the decapitation, there would be much less blood...no heart activity. IMO, this murder is more than likely about something very simple. It doesn't take much...maybe a remark...to cause unstable people to react.
 
Razz said:
Just curious but is the.security/guard house that we often see in pictures
the one at Great Waters or Reynolds Plantation? That is one HUGE
Guardhouse! I would think it more appropiate for the Plantation. Please advise.
Thanks!
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That's Great Waters.
 
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