GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

[oceanblueeyes]

I still feel the original makeshift hurried plan was get both bodies (complete with Mr. D head) out of site (garage) and then in a panic, perp changed stream suddenly due ot some outside threat or perceived threat.

car or boat engine approaching.

I would think the same if I did not believe the disposal of both the torso and Shirley's body-Russ' head were all done in the dead of night.

I think this person knew the habits of everyone that lived close by the Dermonds including them. It would be very hard for anyone to see him on the backside of the properties at night. That area seems rather secluded and the Dermonds home was also tucked back in all the trees.

I think he did it like he planned. He may have come up with this plan after he sat there awhile after he had murdered them. Its obvious that he did want people to know that Russ had been murdered and for them to believe that Shirley was missing but what he didn't want anyone to know is he was the one who had done it.

Sometimes I think he left Russ' torso there and took Shirley so the police would be pulled into two different directions at one time. He would know that a lot of police would be concentrating on the home and garage since they had a murdered body there. He may have thought it bought him some time to do it this way. At the time he had no clue it would take so long for them to be missed.

Going by boat seems riskier to me since sometimes there are party boats and fisherman out on the water at night although one more boat wouldn't even be noticed by others. But sometimes cases can be about luck and he may have passed no one out on the water that night. But he knew he had to take the body evidence off of the GW property entirely that he knew could tie him to both murders.

IMO, he set it up to look like Shirley was just missing. Was he hoping that LE may have thought Shirley had gone cray cray and done this herself to her husband?

IMO

 

[Razz]

No particular significance.

Just curious but is the.security/guard house that we often see in pictures
the one at Great Waters or Reynolds Plantation? That is one HUGE
Guardhouse! I would think it more appropiate for the Plantation. Please advise.
Thanks!

 

[Hickory Born]

I think someone saw the boat; although, I don't think they had any idea a dead body was aboard. Anyone who was on that lake Friday or Saturday should be racking their brain on who and what they saw.

Does Eatonton have a CrimeStoppers number where people can call and be anonymous?

 

[steelman]

Do you think Sills was shooting straight on this one, or was he trying to throw the perp off? I know it's all we have to go one, but is it true?

From what I have read about him, I wouldn't want to play poker with I'm (assuming it was a legal game). He know what he is doing, IMO.

I don't know why everybody seems to think this good old boy is sending some sort of coded messages to the killers.

He said he doesn't know anything. He said he doesn't have a clue who did it.
I'm sure he is under an incredible amount of pressure from the local retirement community to furnish answers.

He doesn't know who did it, or why they did it.

Sometimes you just need to take what people say at face value and not get into the conspiracy thing.

Deal with it, sleuths.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't know why everybody seems to think this good old boy is sending some sort of coded messages to the killers.

He said he doesn't know anything. He said he doesn't have a clue who did it.
I'm sure he is under an incredible amount of pressure from the local retirement community to furnish answers.

He doesn't know who did it, or why they did it.

Deal with it, sleuths.

He has actually revealed quite a few things.

He reminds me very much of Chief Moose during the Washington DC Sniper case. Moose also was holding daily PCs and he also had the FBI profilers working behind the scenes like Sills. They were instructing Moose on what to say and how to say it because they felt all along the sniper was keeping up with what he said and it turned out they were.

All along the public thought CM was trying to keep them updated on the case but that wasn't his purpose for holding so many PCs. Each time he was talking directly to the sniper.

IMO

 

[tomkat]

"That photo prompted another idea...that looks likes an area which could *possibly* be a no wake zone? I didn't realize that the channel was so narrow where they lived. Perhaps they yelled at folks who came by to slow down, and they were upset? "


It's not a channel but a very small inlet. Nobody could even speed by that dock unless a jet ski and I,m not sure that would be possible. It's a very quiet neighborhood. I have never heard of anything rowdy even lakeside there. I can't imagine any dockside confrontation. In all my years here, never heard of anything like that. Most of us old folks enjoy seeing the kids having fun. And everything I have heard about the Dermonds makes me believe they would agree with that attitude.

I could possibly get chastised by one of the PC folks here. However, I do not think a black person did this, and I don't know of any white Nuwaubians. I discussed this close black friends. My point was decapitation is not a typical black thing. Mexican or South American, yes. Muslim, hell yes. But that's a stretch for even the fertile imaginations I've encountered here. My other point is that as a rule black people are respectful toward old people. Throw drugs in and I'll abandon that generality. However, my black friends weren't impressed with my logic. They said to a person that if a black person had done this, they would have robbed the place. They wouldn't have done this for any weird reason, gang stuff aside.

I keep hearing from you about the terror in the neighborhood. That's not happening. Maybe Sills's media management is responsible. But from the first morning RD's body was found, deputies assured neighbors that this was targeted. LIfe goes on around here. My pistol is dusted off. Security systems are in use, but there is no panic.

One more thing, the security cameras at the security gates are not well-known. Residents don't even know they are there, and they have never functioned reliably. I've said before that "security" is meant to help people maintain a certain amount of privacy. This has never been a "secure compound" you might picture in a third world environment.

Hope I can get some reaction to my opinions.

OKAY but we are talking about someone who decapitated a man and dumped a woman in the river after they killed her, so SOMEONE DID, and that's not imagination adn it did happen, but every race has murdered someone. ANd as far as nuwabians, it's not the color, it's the culture, they called themselves muslims then something else, then something else, they are chameleons and murderers, rapist and child molesters

SO, NO, I won't poo poo it because they ARE QUITE CAPABLE of such heinous acts, not saying they did it but until there is some known lead to follow you can't discount that it's possible and it's not imagined, it's real, it happens, it happened

About the cove, I agree, it's a dead end from the pictures I've seen on google and tax records images, no one would speed through there without ending up in the trees, if they did.

Also, Sills did say the D's were targeted, that could be nuwabians, family, serial killer, first two might have a motive, third one needs no motive

What else can we add to that? ...........Targeted/motive

 

[tomkat]

Do you think Sills was shooting straight on this one, or was he trying to throw the perp off? I know it's all we have to go one, but is it true?

From what I have read about him, I wouldn't want to play poker with I'm (assuming it was a legal game). He know what he is doing, IMO.

I think he does and he has a lot of help it's just disconcerting that there seems to be no leads :scared::tantrum::banghead:

 

[tomkat]

I don't know why everybody seems to think this good old boy is sending some sort of coded messages to the killers.

He said he doesn't know anything. He said he doesn't have a clue who did it.
I'm sure he is under an incredible amount of pressure from the local retirement community to furnish answers.

He doesn't know who did it, or why they did it.

Sometimes you just need to take what people say at face value and not get into the conspiracy thing.

Deal with it, sleuths.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: it is being ripped apart, I dont' think there is any hidden messages either btw, I dont' know why, I just don't

and I know he can't tell EVERYTHING to the media but if he really doesn't have a clue as he says and I do believe him, I dont see an arrest soon either

 

[tomkat]

As much as I don't want to, I agree with you.....
I'm beginning to wonder if this crime will be solved.

I'm positive it won't, I"m a pessimist :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[tomkat]

Do you think Sills was shooting straight on this one, or was he trying to throw the perp off? I know it's all we have to go one, but is it true?

From what I have read about him, I wouldn't want to play poker with I'm (assuming it was a legal game). He know what he is doing, IMO.

Wonder who looked at it? Him, a deputy or an accountant? It was pretty quickly over with too

 

[steelman]

He has actually revealed quite a few things.

He reminds me very much of Chief Moose during the Washington DC Sniper case. Moose also was holding daily PCs and he also had the FBI profilers working behind the scenes like Sills. They were instructing Moose on what to say and how to say it because they felt all along the sniper was keeping up with what he said and it turned out they were.

IMO

I don't think they have any idea who did this. Two weeks have gone by and the case isn't even mentioned in the news anymore, as horrific as it was.

I understand the entire concept that the FBI has about sending out the biggest out-of-shape, fat, loud-mouthed blow hard cop to proclaim stupidity: so it seems more believable to the public that these are just dumb cops.

*** No need for anybody to send me over to the FBI website to read their strategy on misleading the press and the public. I already read about how them misleading and misdirecting the public is just standard protocol.

However. a cop like Sills has a huge ego and doesn't want to let deranged killers run around free in his neighborhood if he can stop it.

He can't stop it.

He doesn't know who it is. He doesn't know why they did it.

 

[tlcya]

I hate to be the harbinger but My Own Opinion Only

Sheriff Sills is a good and experienced investigator. Nonetheless, he is just as confounded as the rest of us.

again JMO

 

[tlcya]

but I do feel very strongly that what he has opted to release as far as public statements, he has been mindful that he is potentially speaking to our perp(s)

 

[steelman]

I hate to be the harbinger but My Own Opinion Only

Sheriff Sills is a good and experienced investigator. Nonetheless, he is just as confounded as the rest of us.

again JMO

You are absolutely right !! You win 2 gold stars stuck to your forehead !!

 

[CHERIE.T]

I'm positive it won't, I"m a pessimist :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh:

 

[fred&edna]

I was just looking online for Lake Oconee webcams, this one doesn't seem to be working for me... maybe it's no longer operational, and maybe it's not even a view of the lake that would be applicable to this case?

http://www.fishoconee.com/pages/fishoconee_tv.html

 

[Canaille]

I think he does and he has a lot of help it's just disconcerting that there seems to be no leads :scared::tantrum::banghead:

And for all we know, he may very well have leads but isn't letting on to it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

OKAY but we are talking about someone who decapitated a man and dumped a woman in the river after they killed her, so SOMEONE DID, and that's not imagination adn it did happen, but every race has murdered someone. ANd as far as nuwabians, it's not the color, it's the culture, they called themselves muslims then something else, then something else, they are chameleons and murderers, rapist and child molesters

SO, NO, I won't poo poo it because they ARE QUITE CAPABLE of such heinous acts, not saying they did it but until there is some known lead to follow you can't discount that it's possible and it's not imagined, it's real, it happens, it happened

About the cove, I agree, it's a dead end from the pictures I've seen on google and tax records images, no one would speed through there without ending up in the trees, if they did.

Also, Sills did say the D's were targeted, that could be nuwabians, family, serial killer, first two might have a motive, third one needs no motive

What else can we add to that? ...........Targeted/motive

Targeted just means he thinks the person knew the Dermonds even if only casually and targeted them specifically.

I think most people that are murdered are targeted for some reason or another.

Women who are kidnapped, raped, and murdered can be targeted simply if the rapist saw them alone at the time or knew they lived by themselves even if there is no familiar link between the victim and the perpetrator. He still targets his victims.

They don't even have to know the victim to target them although I think this murderer knows the victims. How well, I am not sure....maybe more as a casual acquaintance but still someone who would know the properties at GW and the daily habits of S&R.

So with him saying they were targeted could mean anything really.

Serial killers also target their victims....like those that kill only prostitutes or those who only murder young petite females with blonde or black hair, etc. They usually look for a profile they like.

I do agree with him that they were personally targeted. They weren't targeted because of some kind of revenge against a different person or because of what someone else may have done or not done.

Imo, whoever this is they planned to murder Shirley and Russ because they either became murderously angry about something they may have perceived that Shirley and Russ did or the Dermonds had recently learned things about the killer, that he knew, if known to others, it would destroy him. IMO.

 

[steelman]

A month has gone by.........two elderly people massacred and killed in a retirement community.

No suspect or person of interest named.

I'll include a label for the new file folder below. Feel free to copy and paste.

UNSOLVED

 

[tomkat]

And for all we know, he may very well have leads but isn't letting on to it.

WEll according to his past public announcements, but he did say he had "direction" previously, so he must've meant ATL, that's where some of the investigation took them and he mentioned other states

But that is true, if he does, certainly doesn't want to send coded messages or real, to the perps to let on, I'd think he'd want them to become complacent instead of on guard

so that's also my opinion on coded messages I guess