GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

[Bootsctr]

This has me wondering if there's a 911 call available on scanner rewind? But, even if there is, it probably wouldn't tell us anything more than we already know.

I wondered that too. I feel like somebody quietly called the Sheriff's office and asked to send a deputy out to check out the Dermonds place because nobody had seen them since Saturday and when somebody FINALLY went to the house to check on them there was nothing amiss except the front door was unlocked and Shirley and Russ were no where to be found. :moo::moo:

 

[gngr~snap]

Home owners being required to own guns was ironic to me.

When I lived there near, North Cobb High School, since I was living within the city limits, if I called 911 3 agencies would show up! Kennesaw City, Acworth Police and Cobb County Police. So basically about 10 vehicles because every 911 call gets fire, ambulance and squad cars...
I felt pretty safe there

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[atthelake]

Thank you ATL! Okay. This article you reference was last edited May 8, 2014 at 7:15 p.m. So, you are saying the wording was changed from "drug a few feet" to what the article is now quoted saying as "he had been moved a few feet and his head had been removed" ?



In my opinion <------- the lack of drag marks would automatically rule Shirley out as the killer or rule in there were at least 2 killers which at that point with Shirley still being missing she could have been one of the 2 killers - - which we now know she was NOT a killer, but an innocent victim. Still doesn't tell me how LE knew he was moved. It had to be blood evidence from right outside the garage which is where LE vehicles were focused in the pictures. Why didn't anyone see that when they went to check on the Dermonds? Not a lot of blood. Neighbors didn't even notice it. I don't know.

Also from the same article - this neighbor didn't notice the commotion at the Dermond's house until Wednesday.

Oy! :facepalm:

:tantrum: I have fallen into not using exact words and causing discussion :blushing: I used the word drug a few feet. That was INCORRECT and I was just being lazy and apologize. The article used the words " When they didn't show friends gave it a couple of days and on Tuesday morning at 10 AM they went to the house and discovered Mr. Dermond's body in the garage. He had been moved a few feet and his head had been removed. Shirley Dermond was nowhere to be found."

I googled "drug a few feet" with Dermond and only got hits on forums :blushing: All the articles say "moved".

Apologize to all for not choosing my words correctly as that is how stuff gets mixed up on the threads. lease:

Back to the scheduled programming, with all :rollercoaster: that "moved" has been the msm terminology.

:seeya:

 

[gngr~snap]

According to our research of Georgia and other state lists there were*47registered sex offenders living in zip code 31024 (Eatonton, GA)*as of June 11, 2014.
The ratio of number of residents in zip code 31024 to the number of sex offenders is*393 to 1.

Where I live now it's 76 to 1. EEK!!!!
http://www.city-data.com
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[Foxfire]

I am loving me some Georgia right now! :loveyou: Gotta a little crushing going on.



God bless America! :loveyou:

'Kennesaw, It's The Law'

I lived in Kennesaw, GA for two decades and was a resident when the law was passed. My attorney; Mayor Darvin Purdy, passed the gun law in response to Morton Grove, IL which had passed a law banning guns. The two towns crime rates were compared for years.. Three guesses which town is much safer..

25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA'

https://www.google.com/search?q=Ken...57.12840j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

 

[atthelake]

Hi there Cana!

I think he said his torso was dragged a few feet or maybe he said only a short distance.

I don't really know but in my mind I thought he meant dragged a little ways when it was already inside the garage as if he needed to drag him only a short distance so that his torso may have been hidden behind one of their cars or something like that. Of course we have no clue where the drag marks are located in the garage and only Sills and the investigators know that.

Just guessing though.

IMO

Wish I could correct my post upthread where I mispoke accidentally..but all my googling says "moved" in msm articles and... only you and I and others here/on another forum said "dragged"... :truce:

 

[Canaille]

Hi all,

Sorry for all the early morning posts...with kids home for the summer, it seems like it's the only time I have to think clearly! I've been able to catch up each night reading everyone's comments though.

A couple of things that occur to me after reading all of our comments over the past few days

I keep forgetting that Sills specifically said the Dermonds "opened their door to them", meaning, most likely, it was the front door. Living with the location of their home, given its seclusion and the empty lot on one side and its abutment to the lake, I can't imagine a knock on the back door wouldn't solicit a fearful reaction. But because of the dock evidence and the Winnie video, we have all been talking about the crime beginning and ending in the backyard. I really think it must have begun around the front of the house, as Sills tells us they literally opened their door. He also suggested at one point that he wasn't ruling out the perpetrators using both a boat and a car/van/truck.

We've also talked a great deal about the Winnie video and the hydraulic lift mechanism on the Dermond's dock. After watching the uncut version of that video, I find it significantly odd that it shows not only the police boat still up and in storage, but also the WINCH and cables that lower it into the water. Honestly, that's a strange shot to waste valuable news time showing...it makes me wonder if Sills specifically chose Winnie for the interview because he trusts him, and he can ask him to shoot certain things that are a message to the killer(s), knowing Winnie will do as he is asked, keep quiet, and not reveal those details to mainstream media?

My last thought reading all the posts last night was about SD's body in the lake. When asked if she was weighted down, Sills specifically said he was NOT going to answer questions that could jeopardize their investigation. IMO, that means there are details that exist. If she wasn't weighted down or tied, he would have just said no when asked. As an example, Sills readily provided details of SD's attire when asked. However, when asked about RD, he refused to say. And I know it's rumor, but it is interesting that very early on, someone suggested he was in pajamas. To me, whether or not that is true, there are details that are not being discussed. And where there is a 'no discussion' point made by Sills, there are most certainly interesting details we wish we knew...

BBM

Maybe he wasn't wearing any clothes when he was found.

 

[gngr~snap]

'Kennesaw, It's The Law'

I lived in Kennesaw, GA for two decades and was a resident when the law was passed. My attorney; Mayor Darvin Purdy, passed the gun law in response to Morton Grove, IL which had passed a law banning guns. The two towns crime rates were compared for years.. Three guesses which town is much safer..

25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA'

https://www.google.com/search?q=Ken...57.12840j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

I do wonder about criminals like this that have slipped through the system and are constantly on the move.
I wouldnt believe this story if it hadn't happened here.

The fact that Mrs D wad hidden makes me feel.better about a random sicko that targeted them.




We had a man stalking women after Katrina. He was a sex offender that was not in the system. People were printing up flyers and putting them everywhere. Police know based on his behavior it was just a matter of time. He was.sneaking in home while mom's were walking kids to bustops in the mornings.
He took an acquaintance of mine Kimberly Boyd in broad daylight at an atm.

People who had permits were armed as they went about their day. Everyone had their eyes open in the event they saw anything strange.
A man traveling in the opposite direction saw her struggling in the front seat with this man.
He turned his car around and called 911.
The killer turned into oncoming traffic-(or Kim did)
she had already been shot.
The car was hit on her side killing her, but he took off in the median expecting to get away. Shawn Roberts shot him dead.

"As Clark was fleeing that accident, he was shot dead by motorist Shawn Roberts, who had seen Boyd and Clark struggling and followed as the car careened down U.S. 41 in Acworth. Cobb police Lt. Kevin Flynn, said Tuesday that Roberts, 31, was cooperating and appeared to have acted lawfully."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1486325/posts

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[atthelake]

According to our research of Georgia and other state lists there were*47registered sex offenders living in zip code 31024 (Eatonton, GA)*as of June 11, 2014.
The ratio of number of residents in zip code 31024 to the number of sex offenders is*393 to 1.

Where I live now it's 76 to 1. EEK!!!!
http://www.city-data.com
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Just looked up my ratio where I live and it's 41,153 to 1 Pretty safe town and was voted 6th safest town/city (of populations over 25,000) in US this year.

 

[bessie]

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[mck16]

'Kennesaw, It's The Law'

I lived in Kennesaw, GA for two decades and was a resident when the law was passed. My attorney; Mayor Darvin Purdy, passed the gun law in response to Morton Grove, IL which had passed a law banning guns. The two towns crime rates were compared for years.. Three guesses which town is much safer..

25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA'

https://www.google.com/search?q=Ken...57.12840j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

BBM

Maybe he wasn't wearing any clothes when he was found.

That is certainly feasible. Whoever moved him's dna would be all over his clothing. jmo

 

[Nuvolari]

To OTPTarheel's thought:

"What if the Ds were religious about setting their alarm, as their son indicated, and disarmed the system and it was never armed again? Records subpoenaed from the alarm company would show a pattern of usage. And would pinpoint when and from what keypad it was disarmed."

Whatever the security system was, it didn't work in the most fundamental sense, which is the one that counts.

Otherwise, a question: What is the "dock evidence"? Has this "evidence" been spoken about directly by the sheriff? Or is it a term used by a media type and therefore meaningless?

 

[tomkat]

There are so many aspects to this case that I just do not know what to think about, but -- I am more and more "liking" the idea I posted the other night about a possible reason for the decapitation: That is, that Russell was injured/wounded -- I do not have a firm belief about by what means -- in the head, perhaps dying or dead already, but the perp/s were not CERTAIN he was dead. Planning to leave his body on site, the perp/s decapitated him to make SURE he was dead.

I tend to think no gun was used, except maybe as a threat. I don't think shots were fired.

suppressor
but I think they were both BFT myself

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Wish I could correct my post upthread where I mispoke accidentally..but all my googling says "moved" in msm articles and... only you and I and others here/on another forum said "dragged"... :truce:

Yes, it seems we are the culprits.

But no matter what the actual wording was I still believe the only way they would know he had been moved a few feet is if they saw drag marks maybe in blood OR if they could have seen two different poolings of blood in two different areas close together.

I really don't see it being a big issue anyway one way or another.

Whether he was drug to a different spot....or moved to another spot close by that isn't going to be what tells them who the killer is. IMO

 

[tomkat]

Every homeowner in Kennesaw Georgia (Atlanta suburb) and now Nelson Georgia is also required by law to have a gun.

An interesting article FWIW to those who are interested: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/14995-georgia-town-requires-every-homeowner-to-own-a-gun

But they don't enforce it if you don't carry
I remember when that came out and saw an interview about it
but tha'ts GOOOOD IMO
but I do think every carrier needs gun training !! ANd if you carry, you have to be prepared to SHOOT IT, lest it get's taken away by the perp and shoots YOU with it!

 

[tomkat]

Talked to a cop friend today, got on this discussion

I dont' really know what happened to the D's JUST SO YOU KNOW

but wanted to point out what he said about cartel, the beheading of course, and we know Sills has said not professional

But what I got from my friend is, people are hired to hit and get paid hundreds of thousands and so they dont' need to rob, they also aren't professionals so may not appear professional, just dirtbags, they got their money when they got paid for the hit,

i thought was a good point but also a may want more too, but no one robbed them that we know so sounds like the intent was to KILL THE D"S and nothing else

There are many people in the middle ga area (dr's lawyers etc) who live in million dollar homes who have been also mixed up with drugs or cartel, people NO ONE would ever suspect

Anyway, not pointing this in that direction, but was interesting info from LE

All I know is someone came there TO KILL THEM, it seems, nothign else

 

[tomkat]

BOy I sure know how to clear a room ! :floorlaugh:

 

[OTPTarheel]

To OTPTarheel's thought:

"What if the Ds were religious about setting their alarm, as their son indicated, and disarmed the system and it was never armed again? Records subpoenaed from the alarm company would show a pattern of usage. And would pinpoint when and from what keypad it was disarmed."

Whatever the security system was, it didn't work in the most fundamental sense, which is the one that counts.

Otherwise, a question: What is the "dock evidence"? Has this "evidence" been spoken about directly by the sheriff? Or is it a term used by a media type and therefore meaningless?

If we only knew what the front door looked like. Was it 9 light glass door with glass sidelights or wood/ fiberglass door with glass sidelights?
Let's say it was either one. If the Ds kept their system alarmed during the day as I do, and someone rang the bell, they looked out the door or sidelight and RECOGNIZED the person or the person looked familiar, disarmed the alarm system and let them in...you'd have a time stamp starting point.

I had a fairly simple system in my old house with glass breakage detectors and some other nice features. The alarm company could tell me what was happening in any zone at any time.
Now I just pull up the cameras on my phone!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Talked to a cop friend today, got on this discussion

I dont' really know what happened to the D's JUST SO YOU KNOW

but wanted to point out what he said about cartel, the beheading of course, and we know Sills has said not professional

But what I got from my friend is, people are hired to hit and get paid hundreds of thousands and so they dont' need to rob, they also aren't professionals so may not appear professional, just dirtbags, they got their money when they got paid for the hit,

i thought was a good point but also a may want more too, but no one robbed them that we know so sounds like the intent was to KILL THE D"S and nothing else

There are many people in the middle ga area (dr's lawyers etc) who live in million dollar homes who have been also mixed up with drugs or cartel, people NO ONE would ever suspect

Anyway, not pointing this in that direction, but was interesting info from LE

All I know is someone came there TO KILL THEM, it seems, nothign else

I am not sure I quite understand about what he believes.

So your LE friend thinks a man who was 89 years old and a woman who was 88 years old who lived in a million dollar home was doing business with a drug cartel?

It is true that millionaires get mixed up in drug trafficking. That is what happened to Fred Tokars, although I think he was in his 40s), who had his wife murdered because she had recently found out about the money laundering and his drug dealings. There we go again with that motive I mentioned earlier. Murdering to protect a secret.

So he thinks S&R must have owed them a lot of money? Did you tell him that Sills said that he thought the murderer knew them personally in someway even casually? If so, does he think the drug leader lives in the same subdivision or area as they did?

One of our best friends is a Sheriff. I think I will call him later on tonight when he gets home and ask him his take on this case. He is a very seasoned police officer who is greatly admired in the county he represents. He is one sharp cookie too.

 

[Treelights]

Talked to a cop friend today, got on this discussion

I dont' really know what happened to the D's JUST SO YOU KNOW

but wanted to point out what he said about cartel, the beheading of course, and we know Sills has said not professional

But what I got from my friend is, people are hired to hit and get paid hundreds of thousands and so they dont' need to rob, they also aren't professionals so may not appear professional, just dirtbags, they got their money when they got paid for the hit,

i thought was a good point but also a may want more too, but no one robbed them that we know so sounds like the intent was to KILL THE D"S and nothing else

There are many people in the middle ga area (dr's lawyers etc) who live in million dollar homes who have been also mixed up with drugs or cartel, people NO ONE would ever suspect

Anyway, not pointing this in that direction, but was interesting info from LE

All I know is someone came there TO KILL THEM, it seems, nothign else

OFF TOPIC:
You mentioned people that are mixed up with drugs or cartel that no one would ever suspect.
This article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/magazine/the-sinaloa-cartels-90-year-old-drug-mule.html?_r=0

"The Sinaloa Cartel’s 90-Year-Old Drug Mule."