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Wait what??!!
On the last page of the trial thread. I read two versions.
Wait what??!!
that was emotionally draining. I am still processing what all we learned and LE is said to have much much more.
What we learned today:
Sexting multiple women for the past year and on the day of Cooper's murder (yep, calling it that)
minor and possible future charges for computer crimes re their contact and misdemeanor crime of actual contact in some way.
pics of penis taken and sent while C in room with him
minor asked him if he ever was troubled by his conscious - reply NOPE
the trip to publix with friends/coworkers for lunch punctuated by trip to home depot store across way for lightbulbs at R request
visit to car after returning from lunch was ostensibly to put purchase in car
subreddit - child free life
life insurance policy $25,000 (adtl to one via work)
LH and RH in interveiw room alone vhile being recorded and videotaped:
LH asks if he said too much or something similar
RH told LH C looked peaceful in death with eyes and mouth closed.
RH makes poor me comments "going to lose my job - why do I have to be punished??" etc (paraphrased)
Stoddard described C as mouth open tongue protruding, eyes half closed, horrible and noticeable odor of decomp in vehicle even hours later while performing search warrant.
at least one affair for RH in the past.
I don't know what all the dad was up to. I wonder how much Cooper was able to talk and if that could have been part of it along with the insurance $.
So if he is released on bond can they turn around and arrest him for sexting and meeting a 16 to 17 year old?
That is exactly what I heard as well.HLN reporter said that she was sitting in the courtroom just in front of Ross Harris' parents. When the sexting was revealed, Harris' mother gasped out loudly.
When the judge denied bond, Harris' mother said, "What? He denied his bond? That son-of-a-b****!"
After court, his parents were outside of the courtroom they were visibly shaken and sobbing. His father had his head against a wall crying and the mother was sobbing and having trouble walking and needed to be held up.
The reporter made it sound like Ross' mom said it, then she fell apart. The whole family did. I think it hit her right then.
moo
I was thinking this morning, I wonder how many of the "sympathizers" in his church and other like them who call for "forgiveness" and "compassion" for the parents in cases like this, realize that they probably have contributed to the deaths of several children by perpetuating this attitude instead of one of zero tolerance.
Another great policy...zero tolerance
Raise the bar on parental accountability and lower the bar on sympathy. Right, Chewy?
Well this hearing has convinced me he is a cold blooded sociopath who intended to kill his child.
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Agreed that is a possibility, but I think when people do it to simply get rid of a child like nothing happened, like with Casey Anthony, they attempt to minimize the suffering. While I don't actually get the mindset, obviously, I do understand how it can seem easier for someone to just be gone, even someone you love, if you feel trapped or struggle with mental illness. I think people who kill spouses/ex-spouses most frequently have this mindset. But wanting someone to disappear and choosing to do it in a painful way and then doing it to someone you are close enough to that you have to sit their and feign devastation to other relatives are different things. That makes it too real. You see how many people will say "make it quick, don't hurt him/her" when hiring a hitman. Most people wouldn't let someone die in a hot car like that - even someone they wanted dead. That's why I can't accept that the mom just wanted to preserve the status quo - she wanted it done that way because it was the best way at having it look like an accident, most likely. Part of that is self-preservation, but being talked into that is crazy to me. But people are insane, so who knows. Women who do that sort of thing to keep a man who shows total disrespect to them are the definition of mentally ill people to me, but that doesn't mean they are any less dangerous or culpable than their crazy partners. It's scary how many women can be so passive.
I also feel a need to point out that defense attorneys have certain rules they have to follow, but it's silly to think they all believe their clients or even want them to get off, let alone think they can win. It depends on the case and attorney, obviously, but I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking the defense attorney really wants to "help" this guy. At this point, he's probably realized his role is going to be to cut the best possible plea, and is just saying what he needs to say until it reaches that point. Defense attorneys like to win, but I think most of them recognize when they can't and when the person absolutely belongs in prison. Of course he's going to question the state's evidence where possible because that is how attorneys think - they point out inconsistencies because accepting every thing that is said because the guy looks like a monster is definitely not the right thing to do. Even where something appears all settled, you should always make sure the truth is discovered as to each fact, not just to the whole.
It was the easiest way for him.
He didn't have to watch.
Thought he would get sympathy for a horrible accident.
IMO
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Bringing this over from the hearing thread.
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Exactly - how did she know?
Why would her mind have instantly gone to that scenario, unless RH had done that in the past, or unless there's more to this than meets the eye.
With everything we learned today from the hearing testimony regarding LH's actions/reactions, I'm viewing the mother's behavior with suspicion, as I'm sure LE has been during their investigation.
Keep digging, CCPD - keep digging!