GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #9

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Infant seats are not made for up to two years old. Covertible seats can be used for both those ages if height and weight aren't met. Infant seats are only for infants, always.

Actually they are. They don't have an age limit on them, only height and weight. They are made to be able to keep up to at least a 2 yr old in them now. The recommendations are at least until 2 rearfacing.

 

[popsicle]

I could be wrong, but I think that was in reference to the 2nd degree felony...not the felony murder charge

2nd degree murder

 

[J1981]

JMO but 22k will barely scrape the surface of a felony murder defense...I'm sure he will plead indigent, anyway. Grrrr.

Via Kindle, like a true Amazon junkie

Indeed, but if moms out walking around she's probably already spent the $22K on her credit cards.

 

[la_cavalière]

I'm on the fence, but at this time, I am thinking that this was a terrible accident. Make no mistake, I'm not defending JRH – this guy is a terrible parent, husband and employee – but I'm not sure he's a cold-blooded child murderer. I know I am a member of a tiny minority here, so please don't skewer me!

There are several reasons why I think Cooper's tragic death wasn't planned, but the main reason is, ironically, JRH's disgusting behavior. Just about everyone now knows that after a suspicious death, phone, text and internet records will be analyzed. That's even more true for someone working in a tech field like web development. So I have a lot of trouble believing that if he planned this, he would send lewd photos of his anatomy and text with multiple women all day while his child was dying. He may not be a genius, but he would surely know that his phone and internet records would be scrutinized.

Perhaps, after eating at CFA, his mind immediately turned toward his titillating virtual activities, and all thoughts of his child vanished. I would be curious to see if he sent or received texts or chat messages before he arrived at work. Perhaps he and his wife were so afraid he would leave Cooper in the car because he had a history of being absent-minded, or maybe because it had happened before. Parents DO sometimes forget when an infant is in the car - it happens quite often, and there have been several stories recently in the news. I don't have children, but I do really, really stupid things all the time when I'm distracted, and if I had a child this would be a major fear for me.

There has been no evidence so far, other than a brief visit to a "Child-Free" website, that JRH didn't love his child or enjoy being a father. His friends say he talked about Cooper all the time and enjoyed spending time with him. Sexting with other women and underage girls may be sick, but it is not solid proof he wanted to kill his child. Shocking as it may be, sexting and chatting on these kinds of forums and social apps is common, even among married people. Ditto for marital problems or insurance policies.

I wish I could feel as convinced as some of you of his guilt - but until I hear more evidence, I am hanging out on this lonely fence.

 

[Karmady]

Which brings me back to last night's question again.

At the end of the hearing, the judge said something like, "facing a life sentence with a minimum mandatory of 30 years in prison...."

Is he not applying the new law or is there something I'm missing?

It's very likely that he would not be applying the new law right now. It appears that GA does not have a savings statute that calls for the retroactive application of laws decreasing criminal penalties. So the assumption would be that the new law would not apply to a crime that happened prior to its effective date of July 1st. However, in light of some very similar issues that have very recently come up in GA (and been pretty high profile), there is an excellent argument to be made that the law should be applied retroactively -- especially to crimes such as this one that happened after the law was passed but before it became effective OR that it violates the 8th amendment -- which is what the court found in the recent GA decision involving the "romeo and Juliet" law change. (links earlier in this thread)

So, while the Judge may not have the new law in mind right now, or even think it could apply, he will have it in mind eventually, imo, and so will the prosecutor. jmo

 

[who knew?]

If I went to pick my child up and he was not there, My reaction would be.. " HUH" and I would pick up the phone and call dh. My reaction would not to think that my child was left in a car all day.
You know what I wonder? I wonder if they talked that day??? And did they regularly talk during the day?

I wonder that also. But I doubt we will get this information before trial. I'm guessing information to be used as evidence in trial will not be released ahead of time?

 

[Whiteorchids]

According to this from CNN wife will most likely be charged as co-conspirator as Minor predicted.

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.h...mepage=yes&video_referrer=http://www.cnn.com/

 

[Linda7NJ]

My 3 year old grandchild can. She loves to 'undo' it when we get to where we're going.

I taught mine at 2!

It's great when they can do for themselves! Whooo hooo!
Carry that diaper bag too!


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

Infant seats are not made for up to two years old. Covertible seats can be used for both those ages if height and weight aren't met. Infant seats are only for infants, always.

I am sorry but that is not the case. That is why they have increased the weight limit on them. So people can use them well into toddlerhood. AS long as they are under the limits of the seat the age does not matter.

 

[Karmady]

I'm on the fence, but at this time, I am thinking that this was a terrible accident. Make no mistake, I'm not defending JRH – this guy is a terrible parent, husband and employee – but I'm not sure he's a cold-blooded child murderer. I know I am a member of a tiny minority here, so please don't skewer me!

There are several reasons why I think Cooper's tragic death wasn't planned, but the main reason is, ironically, JRH's disgusting behavior. Just about everyone now knows that after a suspicious death, phone, text and internet records will be analyzed. That's even more true for someone working in a tech field like web development. So I have a lot of trouble believing that if he planned this, he would send lewd photos of his anatomy and text with multiple women all day while his child was dying. He may not be a genius, but he would surely know that his phone and internet records would be scrutinized.

Perhaps, after eating at CFA, his mind immediately turned toward his titillating virtual activities, and all thoughts of his child vanished. I would be curious to see if he sent or received texts or chat messages before he arrived at work. Perhaps he and his wife were so afraid he would leave Cooper in the car because he had a history of being absent-minded, or maybe because it had happened before. Parents DO sometimes forget when an infant is in the car - it happens quite often, and there have been several stories recently in the news. I don't have children, but I do really, really stupid things all the time when I'm distracted, and if I had a child this would be a major fear for me.

There has been no evidence so far, other than a brief visit to a "Child-Free" website, that JRH didn't love his child or enjoy being a father. His friends say he talked about Cooper all the time and enjoyed spending time with him. Sexting with other women and underage girls may be sick, but it is not solid proof he wanted to kill his child. Shocking as it may be, sexting and chatting on these kinds of forums and social apps is very common, even among married people. Ditto for marital problems or insurance policies.

I wish I could feel as convinced as some of you of his guilt - but until I hear more evidence, I am hanging out on this lonely fence.

Oh, goodness. You are a very brave soul. Stand behind me lol

 

[Chewy]

Obviously he's given some thought to the importance of witnesses

[–]RoscoeUA 5 points 1 month ago
The only reason I hold true to the bikers actions is the number of witnesses that stayed around to corroborate the story to the police
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http://www.***********/r/Atlanta/comments/279zbc/cameras_capture_attack_on_beltline_cyclist/

 

[LinasK]

I'm on the fence, but at this time, I am thinking that this was a terrible accident. Make no mistake, I'm not defending JRH – this guy is a terrible parent, husband and employee – but I'm not sure he's a cold-blooded child murderer. I know I am a member of a tiny minority here, so please don't skewer me!

There are several reasons why I think Cooper's tragic death wasn't planned, but the main reason is, ironically, JRH's disgusting behavior. Just about everyone now knows that after a suspicious death, phone, text and internet records will be analyzed. That's even more true for someone working in a tech field like web development. So I have a lot of trouble believing that if he planned this, he would send lewd photos of his anatomy and text with multiple women all day while his child was dying. He may not be a genius, but he would surely know that his phone and internet records would be scrutinized.

Perhaps, after eating at CFA, his mind immediately turned toward his titillating virtual activities, and all thoughts of his child vanished. I would be curious to see if he sent or received texts or chat messages before he arrived at work. Perhaps he and his wife were so afraid he would leave Cooper in the car because he had a history of being absent-minded, or maybe because it had happened before. Parents DO sometimes forget when an infant is in the car - it happens quite often, and there have been several stories recently in the news. I don't have children, but I do really, really stupid things all the time when I'm distracted, and if I had a child this would be a major fear for me.

There has been no evidence so far, other than a brief visit to a "Child-Free" website, that JRH didn't love his child or enjoy being a father. His friends say he talked about Cooper all the time and enjoyed spending time with him. Sexting with other women and underage girls may be sick, but it is not solid proof he wanted to kill his child. Shocking as it may be, sexting and chatting on these kinds of forums and social apps is very common, even among married people. Ditto for marital problems or insurance policies.

I wish I could feel as convinced as some of you of his guilt - but until I hear more evidence, I am hanging out on this lonely fence.

BBM. Many criminals are arrogant and stupid. He probably figured he'd never be caught. His acting job was just sooo good.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

According to this from CNN wife will most likely be charged as co-conspirator as Minor predicted.

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.h...mepage=yes&video_referrer=http://www.cnn.com/

That does not seem like news but someone's opinion.

 

[who knew?]

I'm on the fence, but at this time, I am thinking that this was a terrible accident. Make no mistake, I'm not defending JRH – this guy is a terrible parent, husband and employee – but I'm not sure he's a cold-blooded child murderer. I know I am a member of a tiny minority here, so please don't skewer me!

There are several reasons why I think Cooper's tragic death wasn't planned, but the main reason is, ironically, JRH's disgusting behavior. Just about everyone now knows that after a suspicious death, phone, text and internet records will be analyzed. That's even more true for someone working in a tech field like web development. So I have a lot of trouble believing that if he planned this, he would send lewd photos of his anatomy and text with multiple women all day while his child was dying. He may not be a genius, but he would surely know that his phone and internet records would be scrutinized.

Perhaps, after eating at CFA, his mind immediately turned toward his titillating virtual activities, and all thoughts of his child vanished. I would be curious to see if he sent or received texts or chat messages before he arrived at work. Perhaps he and his wife were so afraid he would leave Cooper in the car because he had a history of being absent-minded, or maybe because it had happened before. Parents DO sometimes forget when an infant is in the car - it happens quite often, and there have been several stories recently in the news. I don't have children, but I do really, really stupid things all the time when I'm distracted, and if I had a child this would be a major fear for me.

There has been no evidence so far, other than a brief visit to a "Child-Free" website, that JRH didn't love his child or enjoy being a father. His friends say he talked about Cooper all the time and enjoyed spending time with him. Sexting with other women and underage girls may be sick, but it is not solid proof he wanted to kill his child. Shocking as it may be, sexting and chatting on these kinds of forums and social apps is common, even among married people. Ditto for marital problems or insurance policies.

I wish I could feel as convinced as some of you of his guilt - but until I hear more evidence, I am hanging out on this lonely fence.

But you are assuming that Ross is smart - and normal. He just thinks he's smarter than everyone else, which of course makes him .... not.....

 

[JLSChook]

It's very likely that he would not be applying the new law right now. It appears that GA does not have a savings statute that calls for the retroactive application of laws decreasing criminal penalties. So the assumption would be that the new law would not apply to a crime that happened prior to its effective date of July 1st. However, in light of some very similar issues that have very recently come up in GA (and been pretty high profile), there is an excellent argument to be made that the law should be applied retroactively -- especially to crimes such as this one that happened after the law was passed but before it became effective OR that it violates the 8th amendment -- which is what the court found in the recent GA decision involving the "romeo and Juliet" law change. (links earlier in this thread)

So, while the Judge may not have the new law in mind right now, or even think it could apply, he will have it in mind eventually, imo, and so will the prosecutor. jmo

Now I get it. Thanks, Karmady!
I'm looking forward to the arguments on this in court, if they happen. Very interesting.

 

[blue22]

Infant seats are never recommended for toddlers...ever. Convertible seats can be used for these ages and growing from infancy to toddlerhood. 5 point harness convertible seats are made for rear facing small children and infants.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm on the fence, but at this time, I am thinking that this was a terrible accident. Make no mistake, I'm not defending JRH – this guy is a terrible parent, husband and employee – but I'm not sure he's a cold-blooded child murderer. I know I am a member of a tiny minority here, so please don't skewer me!

There are several reasons why I think Cooper's tragic death wasn't planned, but the main reason is, ironically, JRH's disgusting behavior. Just about everyone now knows that after a suspicious death, phone, text and internet records will be analyzed. That's even more true for someone working in a tech field like web development. So I have a lot of trouble believing that if he planned this, he would send lewd photos of his anatomy and text with multiple women all day while his child was dying. He may not be a genius, but he would surely know that his phone and internet records would be scrutinized.

Perhaps, after eating at CFA, his mind immediately turned toward his titillating virtual activities, and all thoughts of his child vanished. I would be curious to see if he sent or received texts or chat messages before he arrived at work. Perhaps he and his wife were so afraid he would leave Cooper in the car because he had a history of being absent-minded, or maybe because it had happened before. Parents DO sometimes forget when an infant is in the car - it happens quite often, and there have been several stories recently in the news. I don't have children, but I do really, really stupid things all the time when I'm distracted, and if I had a child this would be a major fear for me.

There has been no evidence so far, other than a brief visit to a "Child-Free" website, that JRH didn't love his child or enjoy being a father. His friends say he talked about Cooper all the time and enjoyed spending time with him. Sexting with other women and underage girls may be sick, but it is not solid proof he wanted to kill his child. Shocking as it may be, sexting and chatting on these kinds of forums and social apps is common, even among married people. Ditto for marital problems or insurance policies.

I wish I could feel as convinced as some of you of his guilt - but until I hear more evidence, I am hanging out on this lonely fence.

I am usually right there where you are. You are right him sexting does not make him a killer, But the other evidence all together shows the malice and the forethought in this case. They have him on video going to the car and and pausing in the car and turning his head slightly. Why??? That should have been enough to trigger his memory. And then when he walks into work, He stops as someone else is walking to his car and waits to see if they are stopping at his car.

I wanted so badly to believe this was an accident. But I can not see it anymore.

 

[zoey]

Imo this shows how twisted Ross is. After reading how to survive in prison that should be enough to not follow through with nefarious plans.

Maybe he'll get How To Survive part 2, titled "Baby Killers Don't". jmo

ciao

And its nothing like orange is the new black

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Infant seats are never recommended for toddlers...ever. Convertible seats can be used for these ages and growing from infancy to toddlerhood. 5 point harness convertible seats are made for rear facing small children and infants.

Im sorry, But you are wrong. AS long as the child fits in height and weight they can use the seat. They are recommended from birth until they don't fit anymore. That is why they go way past the 22 lb limit they used to have. The age of the child does not matter. AS long as the child is between 4- 30 lbs and under 30 inches that seat is appropriate for them.

http://demandware.edgesuite.net/aam.../default/v1404462743555/manuals/KeyFit 30.pdf

 

[popsicle]

An infant seat is a seat that faces the back of the car, never the front. Infant seats are designed to fit newborns up to about 20-22 lbs.

http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/infantshop.aspx

eta I didn't bold that btw