Wow I am totally gobsmacked, even when that man was begging for his life, they kept on tasing him, they didnt give him a chance, luckily we do not have taser here in Australia, and I am sorry to say this, but our police officers do not seem as brutal, why didnt the police let the paramedics do there job, the family called the ambulance because of his epileptic fit, the police turned up first and imo started to brutally assault this man because he was confused and suffering an illness that needed medical attention that he did not receive, I feel so sorry for this family who lost their husband and father. This is injust and needs to be investigated and charges laid for murder against the offending officers.
GA - The death of Frederick Williams taser-related?
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I want to state up front that I'm not making excuses for the LE in this case.
But I think young police officers are being trained to recognize that increasing drug use and the rise of mental illness are, more and more frequently, turning criminals into walking time bombs who may react violently when confronted with arrest. They just never know when they are responding to a call what they'll be confronting.
That said, listening to a man begging for his life makes it sound as if they were on some kind of crowd-mentality-fueled power trip. This is brutality.
But I think young police officers are being trained to recognize that increasing drug use and the rise of mental illness are, more and more frequently, turning criminals into walking time bombs who may react violently when confronted with arrest. They just never know when they are responding to a call what they'll be confronting.
That said, listening to a man begging for his life makes it sound as if they were on some kind of crowd-mentality-fueled power trip. This is brutality.
Very nice pics..
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To my very dearest Shazza,:blowkiss:
I thought the same thing as you, until I realized that the poster was commenting on the photos you have on your signature.
All of my Love and Respect to you,
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browneyes
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Thanks for your post regarding your friend........
My son is in LE and I just hate it when all LE is lumped together. Just like in any profession, there are good ones and bad ones. :hand:
All of these officers should be fired and charged. :slap:
After reading all of this..my opinion is any time ther is a medicl issue with a person..where an ambulance has been called as was the case in Mr.Williams....I firmly believe before the officers can do anythng an ambulance should be onhand for things like this....they can say..ok its a seizure...in 20 more minutes he will be asleep or whatever...not jump the man and ask about his condidiotn later....if the paramedics are in true danger in a situation then it would be different but they also could possibly subdue a person and have the paramedic give them an injection to subdue them not taser them so many times they die
its early I hope I made since lol
its early I hope I made since lol
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They aren't trained at all, I don't think. They WILL tase first and ask questions later. They do it all the time, in district after district.
I personally believe that tasers will be outlawed within the next decade, but maybe my glasses are just a little too rosy.
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They are trained. They just did not care. They wanted to brutalize him. The video makes that truth super clear. Malice was certainly there and intended. They should all be tried for murder.
IMO, this can be traced back to the original officer that showed up at the scene. he set the stage for the brutality and attitudes of the subsequent officers the poor guy came into contact with.
I have seen what our local police call "resisting arrest" and any PD or def atty will agree with me that it is often pretty lame. My gf's 120 pound 5-4" son got a pretty good beating when he was taken into custody for 'resisting arrest". He argued with the officers about what they were charging him with and so the resisting arrest label was slapped on him and he got a good whoopin' in the jail by the intake officers.
He had pulled into a parking place and clipped a parked car. he went into the store in front of the parking place and asked for a pen and paper to leave a note. He immediately walked back out to write and leave the note. 2 officers watched him clip the car and walk into the shop, so they were citing him for misdemeanor hit and run! the shop owner came out an corroborated his story that he had just walked in and asked for pen and paper to leave a note.
He was upset at what they were charging him with and the rest is history. he was ultimately cleared of all charges EXCEPT resisting arrest.
Point is if he had been brought in on other charges the LE wouldn't have beat up on him. But once you show defiance to LE all bets are off. Poor judgement on the kids part but police brutality just the same IMO.
back to Mr. Williams, he never had a chnce once that original officer put out the "officer down" call and said he got smacked by Williams.
What a mess that officer created IMO.
Does anyone still watch police shows like Cops? My kids have it on every once in awhile, and sometimes I'm amazed how you can't even ask a question without being knocked around. While I know on tv everyone appears guilty, it's like we have totally lost our rights to legitimately question what appears to be an arbitrary arrest. If I was someone with a temper or an emotional problem, I might go off too.
Yes, totally OT, but Shazza does have a nice family. Love ya, Shaz!
Sorry for the confussion..
Yes, totally OT, but Shazza does have a nice family. Love ya, Shaz!
Wudge
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JBean, it certainly started with him. But none of these people have any place in policing others. They won't even police themselves.
As I said elsewhere, this is just Nifonging in reverse. Few people in America truly have a guage on how much wrongdoing (knowingly) takes place via the hands of LE and DAs. It's just incredible.
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Training may differ from district to district. I have a friend in LE in a local area, not Lafayette. All you need to get an entry level position in LE is a high school degree, nothing more. His extent of training when dealing with a "mental" call was to protect himself.....a sick person like we're reading about here, if these guys had any training at all, you are completely right: they did not care. I agree they should be prosecuted.
Agreed.
Official: Taser Did Not Cause Georgia Man's Death
ATLANTA A shock from a deputy's Taser was not what killed a Norcross man who was stunned with the device in July, a Gwinnett County official said Monday.
Carlos Rodriguez Escamilla, 27, died of what authorities call "excited delirium," said Ted Bailey, investigator for the county medical examiner's office.
Bailey said Escamilla's condition was caused by "acute cocaine and ethanol use."
Chief medical examiner Dr. Carol Terry said excited delirium is "an overdose of adrenaline, where the body gets so revved up that ultimately the heart goes into an abnormal rhythm and stops."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300143,00.html
ATLANTA A shock from a deputy's Taser was not what killed a Norcross man who was stunned with the device in July, a Gwinnett County official said Monday.
Carlos Rodriguez Escamilla, 27, died of what authorities call "excited delirium," said Ted Bailey, investigator for the county medical examiner's office.
Bailey said Escamilla's condition was caused by "acute cocaine and ethanol use."
Chief medical examiner Dr. Carol Terry said excited delirium is "an overdose of adrenaline, where the body gets so revved up that ultimately the heart goes into an abnormal rhythm and stops."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300143,00.html
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I don't think I've ever seen a single case where the taser was admitted to have caused the death.
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And you probably never will. Welcome to 1984 folks!
Yes, totally OT, but Shazza does have a nice family. Love ya, Shaz![/quote]
Thanks Calikid.
No worries mate.
Tasers in my opinion were wrongly used in this case, and apparently I quoted earlier that we didnt have them here in Australia, after asking some friends I found out I was wrong, I apologise if I was misleading, was not intended.
Mr Williams should have received medical attention before the police took him away, his wife and child surely would have told them he was having a seizure and that was why is behaviour was so erratic, after the paramedics had seen him Im sure he would have been taken to hospital and would still be alive today.
Thanks Calikid.
Sorry for the confussion..
No worries mate.
Tasers in my opinion were wrongly used in this case, and apparently I quoted earlier that we didnt have them here in Australia, after asking some friends I found out I was wrong, I apologise if I was misleading, was not intended.
Mr Williams should have received medical attention before the police took him away, his wife and child surely would have told them he was having a seizure and that was why is behaviour was so erratic, after the paramedics had seen him Im sure he would have been taken to hospital and would still be alive today.
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Jelly I think I've told you this story before. I worked with a guy that had a seizure at work (he and I were the only ones at work that day). He was in his late 20's and his dad owned the store. I wished to goodness him or his dad had told me about his having seizures before that day becasue when it happened I had no clue what was going on. I was scared to death. My co-worker was standing near me and said "be right back" and walked out the back door. I heard a lod THUD sound and dropped everything and ran out the back door. He was laying at the top of a wooden staircase with his head about an inch from the edge and he was in a seizure. I ran back in and screamed for someone (customers) to call 911 that he was was having a seizure or something. I went back outside and like an idiot didn't know what to do so I just squatted down next to him and held his clenched hands and repeated you'll be ok, I'm here. A customer came out and asked me step aside and told me he was a doctor. Anyway, I called the owner and left a voicemail message asking if Matt (the co-worker and owners son) had any seizure conditions because he was having a seizure and we had called 911. The paramedics arrived shortly after the seizure and like Jelly has described Matt then became very upset, cursing and willing to fight them off him. Matt's sister arrived in just enough time to get the paramedics to back off and let him be for a few minutes. I feel bad for calling 911 and causing things to escalate but I really wished that he or his family would have warned me and told me what to do and what to expect. Now reading this, I am so thankful the police didn't come! What struck me was how the sister knew about the postictal (spelling?) reaction but the paramedics did not. They were circling him and trying to take him down! I think paramedics and police officers should all be told about this reaction. Seriously after waiting 20 or 30 minutes he was ok and calm. After the reaction was over he even got up on the paramedic stretcher himself and let them take him to the hospital for more tests. The next week he told me he felt the seizure coming on and didn't want to scare me or the customers so he went outside but it hit him quickly. I told him how he was so very close to the edge of a tall staircase and all I could think about was how he could have fallen down to the concrete below.