GA-Winder-Massive police presence at Apalachee High School.

[imstilla.grandma]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1639092423331483

 

[MAHBOOBOO]

I'd be interested to find out if any of these school shooters played team sports growing up. Team sports teach you coping skills, and pretty much guarantee you'll have some kind of friend base in your community.

There were a couple boys I watched grow up who displayed (and still do display) school shooter tendencies (loners, weird art, depression, raging against a machine that isn't raging against them, unwillingness to communicate), but they were alright because they had a good group of normal friends, and they mostly met those friends through playing team sports. I don't know that I would have had any friends at all before my college years if I hadn't been friends with all the girls I grew up playing softball/basketball/volleyball with.

When one girl on our team was being physically abused by her father, it was US that she told, and we told our parents and they got her help.

Anyway, I obviously think that forcing children to participate in group sports is vital. Of course when your parents are more wrapped up in their own problems than they are in yours, the deck is even more stacked against you.

So this is one of those odd times where I actually do place just as much blame on CG's parents as I do him.

 

[vls12345]

He may have used a VPN

That's what I was thinking too. Imo.

 

[realanastasia]

The Washington Post has an article stating that the 14 year old shooter "begged for help" for his mental health issues, according to his aunt.

Will this be similar to the Ethan Crumbley case, where cries for help were unheeded by the family?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/suspected-shooter-georgia-school-shooting-apalachee-high/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3eee88f%2F66d9e099be87305a01e4732d%2F596cbfca9bbc0f208664aefd%2F8%2F55%2F66d9e099be87305a01e4732d

edited to add link

"At the time of Jackson County’s investigation, the teen’s father told officers that he and his wife had split up after their family was evicted from their home a few months earlier. The father said he and his son had moved and that, while his son had experienced “some problems” at the middle school he previously attended, things had “gotten a lot better” now that he was attending a new school."

 

[Hausos]

Discord is just a chat platform, not dissimilar from Websleuths. I don’t think it really has any anonymity functions aside from just not using your real name. If IP addresses are bouncing around, it’s because of something the user/users are doing, not Discord itself.

JMO

Discord is not like Websleuths at all… people can host private chat servers and you can delete messages & they will be erased forever. A lot of young child killers, harassment and suicide, pedophiles, illicit activity, etc have been linked to Discord. Recently there was a kid who said he’ll murder his mother and post the pics on his community’s server to prove it… he did and most of the kids thought it was so funny and a joke. Thankfully one of the kids reported what he saw in the server. The reality is if the kid never shared what he saw in that server, the boy may have gotten away with it.

I referenced “private servers” in which a lot of kids and young adults participate a while back that have been very problematic especially with young boys and young adult men and now there’s news out that the killer used Discord. Why am I not surprised?

A lot of boys use discord, mostly to game and chat with their friends… but you’ll also uncover extremely vile servers that share racist rhetoric, calls for genocide, calls for violence, & more. The kicker is the kids look peachy clean on surface, straight As, good track record, the family’s beloved boy who could do no wrong, etc, then you discover their online activity and it’s shocking.

 

[georgiajean]

Thanks for your detailed explanation.
There was a prank threat where I live, not in the US, iirc for the whole state, pop. approx 11 million. idk how many schools but an awful lot. iirc schools were allowed to decide for themselves whether to stay open that day or not. So I was thinking of that kind of prank rather than lockdown within a particular school due to a threat already showing itself. I don't know enough about the situation in general in the US, so I will just read along and keep my possibly wrong ideas to myself.

It is interesting to hear about outside the US because this country is such an outlier with the easy access to weapons and the variable security of school buildings. Thank you for sharing

 

[Breezie]

I'd be interested to find out if any of these school shooters played team sports growing up. Team sports teach you coping skills, and pretty much guarantee you'll have some kind of friend base in your community.

There were a couple boys I watched grow up who displayed (and still do display) school shooter tendencies (loners, weird art, depression, raging against a machine that isn't raging against them, unwillingness to communicate), but they were alright because they had a good group of normal friends, and they mostly met those friends through playing team sports. I don't know that I would have had any friends at all before my college years if I hadn't been friends with all the girls I grew up playing softball/basketball/volleyball with.

When one girl on our team was being physically abused by her father, it was US that she told, and we told our parents and they got her help.

Anyway, I obviously think that forcing children to participate in group sports is vital. Of course when your parents are more wrapped up in their own problems then they are in yours, the deck is even more stacked against you.

So this is one of those odd times where I actually do place just as much blame on CG's parents as I do him.

Yes, there was one who was a football player. He was also elected as a homecoming prince.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/us/washington-school-shooter/index.html

Jaylen Fryberg: From homecoming prince to school killer​

The occasion was Fryberg being named the freshmen’s “Homecoming Prince,” joining others in Marysville-Pilchuck High School’s royal court. Friend and fellow student Nate Heckendorf explained that this honor means “a lot of people had good hopes for him and thought the best of him.”

“That (title) means … teachers like you. Your peers like you,” said Rachel Heichel, another freshman. “You’re a person that everyone likes and a good person.”

All those applied to Fryberg, according to Heichel.

“He was a people person,” she said. “… He was just a really nice kid and all-around good person.”

Anatomy of Jaylen Fryberg's High School Murder-Suicide

Ray Fryberg was once a respected member of the Tulalip Tribes of Washington. Then his son, Jaylen, perpetrated the deadliest high school shooting in a decade.

www.newsweek.com

His father was charged for unlawful possession of a firearm.

 

[LittleSeaTree]

I'd be interested to find out if any of these school shooters played team sports growing up. Team sports teach you coping skills, and pretty much guarantee you'll have some kind of friend base in your community.

There were a couple boys I watched grow up who displayed (and still do display) school shooter tendencies (loners, weird art, depression, raging against a machine that isn't raging against them, unwillingness to communicate), but they were alright because they had a good group of normal friends, and they mostly met those friends through playing team sports. I don't know that I would have had any friends at all before my college years if I hadn't been friends with all the girls I grew up playing softball/basketball/volleyball with.

When one girl on our team was being physically abused by her father, it was US that she told, and we told our parents and they got her help.

Anyway, I obviously think that forcing children to participate in group sports is vital. Of course when your parents are more wrapped up in their own problems then they are in yours, the deck is even more stacked against you.

So this is one of those odd times where I actually do place just as much blame on CG's parents as I do him.

IMO, ‘forcing’ sounds very harsh. ‘Encouraged’, fine… Forcing kids who aren’t athletic would open a whole new can of worms- such as anxiety, feelings of being a failure, etc. My middle school self would not have handled that well at all, Phys Ed class was quite enough!

 

[IceIce9]

Mayer says arming teachers is a bad idea "because it invites numerous disasters and problems, and the chances of it actually helping are so minuscule."

In 2018, a Gallup poll also found that most teachers do not want to carry guns in school, and overwhelmingly favor gun control measures over security steps meant to "harden" schools. When asked which specific measures would be "most effective" at preventing school shootings, 57% of teachers favored universal background checks, and the same number, 57%, also favored banning the sale of semiautomatic weapons such as the one used in the Parkland attack

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/05/nx-s1-5101684/preventing-school-shootings

States Where Teachers Can Carry Guns with Permission from School Authority​

• Alaska
• Arizona (when used in a program approved by the school)
• Connecticut
• Delaware (need concealed carry permit)
• Georgia
• Idaho
• Indiana
• Iowa
• Kansas
• Kentucky
• Louisiana
• Massachusetts
• Michigan
• Minnesota
• Missouri
• Montana
• Nevada
• New Jersey
• Ohio
• Oregon (need concealed carry license)
• Pennsylvania (schools can apply to allow certain security personnel to carry firearms)
• South Carolina
• Texas (if board-approved as part of a Guardian Program or if the person is a designated school marshal)
• Utah (need a concealed carry permit)
• Vermont

States Where Teachers Can Carry Guns in Certain Circumstances and/or with Permits/Required Training​

• Arkansas (prohibits teachers in public schools from carrying guns but allows exemptions for private schools)
• Colorado
• Florida (as part of the School Guardian Program)
• Mississippi (only if part of the Guardian Program)
• Oklahoma (only private schools)
• South Dakota (if the person is a school sentinel)
• Tennessee
• Wyoming (need valid concealed carry permit)

States Where Teachers Can Carry Guns with No Restrictions​

• New Hampshire (only students are prohibited)

Which States Let Teachers Carry Guns in School?

Which states let teachers carry guns in school? Just last month, Tennessee and Iowa joined the growing list.

www.campussafetymagazine.com

 

[NervousNellie]

There are thirty-three states on those lists. Thank you Maryland.

 

[airportwoman]

I'd be interested to find out if any of these school shooters played team sports growing up. Team sports teach you coping skills, and pretty much guarantee you'll have some kind of friend base in your community.

There were a couple boys I watched grow up who displayed (and still do display) school shooter tendencies (loners, weird art, depression, raging against a machine that isn't raging against them, unwillingness to communicate), but they were alright because they had a good group of normal friends, and they mostly met those friends through playing team sports. I don't know that I would have had any friends at all before my college years if I hadn't been friends with all the girls I grew up playing softball/basketball/volleyball with.

When one girl on our team was being physically abused by her father, it was US that she told, and we told our parents and they got her help.

Anyway, I obviously think that forcing children to participate in group sports is vital. Of course when your parents are more wrapped up in their own problems than they are in yours, the deck is even more stacked against you.

So this is one of those odd times where I actually do place just as much blame on CG's parents as I do him.

I don't think children should be FORCED to do anything that doesn't interest them and isn't necessary. Guided or recommended? Why not? There are also places where children can engage in teamwork that doesn't involve sports; robotics is a common one nowadays.

Don't forget that there are a not-insignificant number of children for whom "socialization" is just another way of increasing the number of other kids who won't like them. Ask me how I know about this.

 

[Breezie]

Georgia school shooter Colt Gray pictured

The Apalachee High School shooter who killed two students and two teachers has been pictured by officials for the first time.

www.dailymail.co.uk

When police searched the teen's Georgia home following the bloodbath, they reportedly found clues the teenager was 'obsessed' with mass shootings - specifically the Parkland massacre in 2018, which left 17 people dead.

 

[MAHBOOBOO]

I don't think children should be FORCED to do anything that doesn't interest them and isn't necessary. Guided or recommended? Why not? There are also places where children can engage in teamwork that doesn't involve sports; robotics is a common one nowadays.

Don't forget that there are a not-insignificant number of children for whom "socialization" is just another way of increasing the number of other kids who won't like them. Ask me how I know about this.

IMO, ‘forcing’ sounds very harsh. ‘Encouraged’, fine… Forcing kids who aren’t athletic would open a whole new can of worms- such as anxiety, feelings of being a failure, etc. My middle school self would not have handled that well at all, Phys Ed class was quite enough!

Regardless of the language, it is forcing. No kid wants to play a sport they're bad at. And they're ALL bad at a sport until they've played it for a couple years. They don't start to like the sport until they're good at it. So, if you don't force them to start playing and stick with it for a couple years, it's likely they'll never play at all, or they'll give up after the first year.

Thank the Lord my parents forced 4 year old me to go play T-ball, even if it sucked and picking flowers and my nose was way more interesting.

 

[georgiajean]

I'd be interested to find out if any of these school shooters played team sports growing up. Team sports teach you coping skills, and pretty much guarantee you'll have some kind of friend base in your community.

There were a couple boys I watched grow up who displayed (and still do display) school shooter tendencies (loners, weird art, depression, raging against a machine that isn't raging against them, unwillingness to communicate), but they were alright because they had a good group of normal friends, and they mostly met those friends through playing team sports. I don't know that I would have had any friends at all before my college years if I hadn't been friends with all the girls I grew up playing softball/basketball/volleyball with.

When one girl on our team was being physically abused by her father, it was US that she told, and we told our parents and they got her help.

Anyway, I obviously think that forcing children to participate in group sports is vital. Of course when your parents are more wrapped up in their own problems than they are in yours, the deck is even more stacked against you.

So this is one of those odd times where I actually do place just as much blame on CG's parents as I do him.

I love sports for all the reasons you cite. I think that any extracurriculars can give the same or similar benefits. It is about being part of an organized group and creating a "team" or family. For me, it was the group of kids out at the horse stable and 4-H.

I come back to the fact that all these factors (home life, abuse, social media, bullying, peer pressure, family dynamics, etc) exist in other countries. But the US is the only country with this massive mass shooting, and shootings in schools, problem. I agree with the 57% of teachers who favor legislation aimed at reducing guns, and increasing the screenings that keep guns out of the wrong hands. Without a gun, what would have happened?

 

[IceIce9]

There are thirty-three states on those lists. Thank you Maryland.

From the same article:


“No one wants to imagine a scenario where teachers need to defend their students with firearms,” Isaiah Miller, a spokesperson for a large national firearm brand, wrote in an email to Campus Safety. “But the unfortunate reality is that school shootings are on the rise, and we must consider all lines of defense to keep children safe.

Allowing trained teachers to carry concealed weapons could make a potential attacker think twice, as they won’t know who might be armed and ready to fight back.

Comprehensive training programs can ensure participating teachers are prepared to handle crisis situations, even as we all hope and pray they never have to put those skills to use. Arming teachers, utilizing AI threat detection and tracking, and real-time video feeds and communication from schools to local law enforcement.“

 

[justtrish]

States Where Teachers Can Carry Guns with Permission from School Authority​

• Alaska
• Arizona (when used in a program approved by the school)
• Connecticut
• Delaware (need concealed carry permit)
• Georgia
• Idaho
• Indiana
• Iowa
• Kansas
• Kentucky
• Louisiana
• Massachusetts
• Michigan
• Minnesota
• Missouri
• Montana
• Nevada
• New Jersey
• Ohio
• Oregon (need concealed carry license)
• Pennsylvania (schools can apply to allow certain security personnel to carry firearms)
• South Carolina
• Texas (if board-approved as part of a Guardian Program or if the person is a designated school marshal)
• Utah (need a concealed carry permit)
• Vermont

States Where Teachers Can Carry Guns in Certain Circumstances and/or with Permits/Required Training​

• Arkansas (prohibits teachers in public schools from carrying guns but allows exemptions for private schools)
• Colorado
• Florida (as part of the School Guardian Program)
• Mississippi (only if part of the Guardian Program)
• Oklahoma (only private schools)
• South Dakota (if the person is a school sentinel)
• Tennessee
• Wyoming (need valid concealed carry permit)

States Where Teachers Can Carry Guns with No Restrictions​

• New Hampshire (only students are prohibited)

Which States Let Teachers Carry Guns in School?

Which states let teachers carry guns in school? Just last month, Tennessee and Iowa joined the growing list.

www.campussafetymagazine.com

I think this is a great idea for those who have training with a weapon and who would want to be a responsible adult to carry. I see it similar to a SRO who would be on duty at the school. In this case it's been reported that it was the SRO who encountered this shooter and removed the threat. High schools are typically large and I think it's impossible for an SRO to be in the exact area needed when something like this happens. I do think having the SRO and possibly a few teachers or other staff that are highly trained and willing to also carry and be there if/when something like this occurs.

 

[LittleSeaTree]

I don't think children should be FORCED to do anything that doesn't interest them and isn't necessary. Guided or recommended? Why not? There are also places where children can engage in teamwork that doesn't involve sports; robotics is a common one nowadays.

Don't forget that there are a not-insignificant number of children for whom "socialization" is just another way of increasing the number of other kids who won't like them. Ask me how I know about this.

Well said. And a hug!

 

[Breezie]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/suspected-shooter-georgia-school-shooting-apalachee-high/

The 14-year-old arrested after a mass killing at Georgia’s Apalachee High School had been “begging for months” for mental health help before he allegedly carried out a deadly attack Wednesday, according to an aunt of the shooting suspect.

He “was begging for help from everybody around him,” Annie Brown, the aunt, told The Washington Post. “The adults around him failed him.”

 

[RoseTree]

IMO, ‘forcing’ sounds very harsh. ‘Encouraged’, fine… Forcing kids who aren’t athletic would open a whole new can of worms- such as anxiety, feelings of being a failure, etc. My middle school self would not have handled that well at all, Phys Ed class was quite enough!

Exactly, my oldest two really struggled with sports but are absolutely thriving in band and orchestra. I think it’s more belonging to something bigger than oneself

 

[m00c0w]

Discord is not like Websleuths at all… people can host private chat servers and you can delete messages & they will be erased forever. A lot of young child killers, harassment and suicide, pedophiles, illicit activity, etc have been linked to Discord. Recently there was a kid who said he’ll murder his mother and post the pics on his community’s server to prove it… he did and most of the kids thought it was so funny and a joke. Thankfully one of the kids reported what he saw in the server. The reality is if the kid never shared what he saw in that server, the boy may have gotten away with it.

I referenced “private servers” in which a lot of kids and young adults participate a while back that have been very problematic especially with young boys and young adult men and now there’s news out that the killer used Discord. Why am I not surprised?

A lot of boys use discord, mostly to game and chat with their friends… but you’ll also uncover extremely vile servers that share racist rhetoric, calls for genocide, calls for violence, & more. The kicker is the kids look peachy clean on surface, straight As, good track record, the family’s beloved boy who could do no wrong, etc, then you discover their online activity and it’s shocking.

I said it’s “not dissimilar”, not that they’re the same. You can host private threads on here, too, with little oversight. There are all sorts of communities on Discord, and the relevant point being discussed was regarding IP addresses and anonymity. Discord complies with legal demands, messages aren’t encrypted, user logs are maintained as well as IP addresses. The purpose is not an anonymous chat service - that is something more like Telegram.

You can also find many of the things you list on most social media platforms. Discord is not special.

All my opinion.