Garrido's Attorneys

[LinasK]

JC should never be speaking to their lawyer, she should have her own attorney, and should be speaking through someone who has only her and the girls best interest in mind.

I am very curious as to why she does not have one right now. :waitasec:

The Garridos attorneys are making me really mad.
And JC not having her own lawyer may be a question of money.:waitasec:
They may fee that this will not be going to court for a long time and until that time,
they need the money for therapy. :waitasec:

This case went international, I think the SOBs cant do anything...
Terry will scream to the media in a heart beat and get more international attention if the SOBs
try anything other then just say they want to see her.

Maybe they are just putting on a show for their trial, that they missed their family. (I call that a prop).
but it still infuriates me.

I don't know whether Jaycee actually needs the representation of a lawyer or not, but I do know that the Garrido's and their lawyers have NO business talking to her, and re-victimizing her!!!
You are correct in that this is a defense strategy to paint the Garrido's as a happy family!
This is not the life Jaycee would have chosen for herself, to be stolen, forcibly raped, deprived of her real family and her education, motherhood at age 11, and forced to live in camping-like conditions for all these years! She wouldn't have even had daughters with Garrido, had she not been kidnapped, and the Garrido's didn't even allow her to call herself the girls' mother!

 

[kbl8201]

I don't know whether Jaycee actually needs the representation of a lawyer or not, but I do know that the Garrido's and their lawyers have NO business talking to her, and re-victimizing her!!!
You are correct in that this is a defense strategy to paint the Garrido's as a happy family!
This is not the life Jaycee would have chosen for herself, to be stolen, forcibly raped, deprived of her real family and her education, motherhood at age 11, and forced to live in camping-like conditions for all these years! She wouldn't have even had daughters with Garrido, had she not been kidnapped, and the Garrido's didn't even allow her to call herself the girls' mother!

yup one big happy family built on kidnapping, rape, torture and brainwashing.

im sure garrido has his lawyer snowed that jaycee is gonna come to his rescue and that its jaycee's family that's 'brainwashing' her now.

its sad that in this day and age, after all the system allowed to be done to jaycee in the first place, they are still allowing her to be victmized by this cockroach and his agents.

here's hoping the judge denies the motion. but given what i've seen from other cases on websleuths, yuo never know what moron might be on the bench.

 

[songline]

I don't know whether Jaycee actually needs the representation of a lawyer or not, but I do know that the Garrido's and their lawyers have NO business talking to her, and re-victimizing her!!!
You are correct in that this is a defense strategy to paint the Garrido's as a happy family!
This is not the life Jaycee would have chosen for herself, to be stolen, forcibly raped, deprived of her real family and her education, motherhood at age 11, and forced to live in camping-like conditions for all these years! She wouldn't have even had daughters with Garrido, had she not been kidnapped, and the Garrido's didn't even allow her to call herself the girls' mother!

I agree, I also felt so sad reading this post. It went right to the heart of the matter...NO JC did not have choices when they took her and as a result she did and does have a life that may have been very different .
she still has trigger points, and those animals are still working it.
NOW they roped in attorneys to play on those vulnerable trigger points too.
Even the attorneys are guilty in my mind on praying on her vulnerability.

I think all victims do need a lawyer, but she may not need one on a regular retainer,
because this case has the eyes & ears of the world watching.
I realize she had/has/will have one on pro bono, but no attorney working pro bono can do this full time.
(accept for Casey Anthony's group of jokers)

But I do believe that the girls are all safely guarded. :angel:

 

[songline]

yup one big happy family built on kidnapping, rape, torture and brainwashing.

im sure garrido has his lawyer snowed that jaycee is gonna come to his rescue and that its jaycee's family that's 'brainwashing' her now.

its sad that in this day and age, after all the system allowed to be done to jaycee in the first place, they are still allowing her to be victmized by this cockroach and his agents.

here's hoping the judge denies the motion. but given what i've seen from other cases on websleuths, yuo never know what moron might be on the bench.

This one is international...I don't think even a Moron would want an outraged crowed.

 

[kbl8201]

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This one is international...I don't think even a Moron would want an outraged crowed.

well im glad the jurisdiction is tahoe and not costra county......we know what kind of judge they'd get there

 

[Natal]

yup one big happy family built on kidnapping, rape, torture and brainwashing.

im sure garrido has his lawyer snowed that jaycee is gonna come to his rescue and that its jaycee's family that's 'brainwashing' her now.

its sad that in this day and age, after all the system allowed to be done to jaycee in the first place, they are still allowing her to be victmized by this cockroach and his agents.

here's hoping the judge denies the motion. but given what i've seen from other cases on websleuths, yuo never know what moron might be on the bench.

The judge will rule on the motion based on what the law requires and the precedents in situations like this.

I expect that some of the things will be allowed, others not. At the very least the defence should be allowed to see the interviews LE conducted since they are going to see it anyway, it may as well be sooner rather than later. IMO they should be given the opportunity to contact Jaycee as well, she doesn't have to interview with them if she doesnt want to though. But she needs to make that decision herself, either directly or through an officer of the court (a lawyer). She is not a minor so it isn't a decision her mother or PR representative could make.

As far as PG and Nancy seeing each other, I don't see why that would be an issue, other than the practical aspect of them being in (likely) separate prisons.

Oh, and the paranoia about the PDs being puppets of the Garrido's is uncalled for, they are just doing their jobs. They work with people like the Garrido's every day, they are not gullible zealots. I'm sure they have seen it all and are probably very cynical about their clients in general in private.

 

[Tizzle]

The judge will rule on the motion based on what the law requires and the precedents in situations like this.

I expect that some of the things will be allowed, others not. At the very least the defence should be allowed to see the interviews LE conducted since they are going to see it anyway, it may as well be sooner rather than later. IMO they should be given the opportunity to contact Jaycee as well, she doesn't have to interview with them if she doesnt want to though. But she needs to make that decision herself, either directly or through an officer of the court (a lawyer). She is not a minor so it isn't a decision her mother or PR representative could make.

As far as PG and Nancy seeing each other, I don't see why that would be an issue, other than the practical aspect of them being in (likely) separate prisons.

Oh, and the paranoia about the PDs being puppets of the Garrido's is uncalled for, they are just doing their jobs. They work with people like the Garrido's every day, they are not gullible zealots. I'm sure they have seen it all and are probably very cynical about their clients in general in private.

ITA with most of this except, I don't think the G's should be allowed jailhouse visits with each other. I don't really know what the laws are in regards to inmate to inmate visits, but I strongly believe that two inmates that are jailed for participating in the same crime should be banned from any and all visits with one another. Their lawyers argued that if the two were out on bail they would be able to visit each other. Well, they aren't out on bail. If they want to visit each other, they need to pay up. They are being housed at a cost to the taxpayers.

Also, I don't know how comfortable I am with the defense knowing JC's location. I do agree that she is an adult and can make her own decisions without the help of her mother or a PR firm. I just worry about whether or not the PD's will pass this information on to P&N? I don't believe the G's should have any knowledge of JC's or the girls' whereabouts. When and IF JC wants to write or visit them, it should be on HER terms and no one else's. If JC wants them to know where she is, that's another story...but totally up to her and eventually the girls, as well.

 

[songline]

The judge will rule on the motion based on what the law requires and the precedents in situations like this.
I expect that some of the things will be allowed, others not. At the very least the defence should be allowed to see the interviews LE conducted since they are going to see it anyway, it may as well be sooner rather than later. IMO they should be given the opportunity to contact Jaycee as well, she doesn't have to interview with them if she doesn't want to though. But she needs to make that decision herself, either directly or through an officer of the court (a lawyer). She is not a minor so it isn't a decision her mother or PR representative could make.

As far as PG and Nancy seeing each other, I don't see why that would be an issue, other than the practical aspect of them being in (likely) separate prisons. As long as they keep the pig in jail let them see each other who cares.
Oh, and the paranoia about the PDs being puppets of the Garrido's is uncalled for, they are just doing their jobs. They work with people like the Garrido's every day, they are not gullible zealots. I'm sure they have seen it all and are probably very cynical about their clients in general in private.

BBM - not so sure about that......
We have seen that crying moron Judge Seiden in Florida (Anna Nicole case) making a circus, (and fleecing an old lady, while bribing Lawyers with referral$ for favor$) - I am not going to trust any judge after that Jerk.
Not so sure half of them care what the law really is, after that moron. :waitasec: how he was ever a judge, I have no clue...Now he is writing a book calling it The Murder of Anna Nicole Smith. not going to hijack this thread.
But not trusting any judge just because he is a judge...:no:
next point:
As long as they can't see JC and the girls let them go bury themselves - whether in a pile of interviews or whatever.G's attorneys are insensitive, and make me mad because making noise that the G's want to see the girls is a prop for a case of a BS story "A PG inspiring family story". These girls should NOT see the animals at all. THIS IS WHERE YOU INFURIATE ME IT IS INSENSITIVE. these girls still have many trigger points. these girls had a life not based on their choosing. THIS IS WHERE I QUESTION WHOS SIDE YOU ARE ON????

JC and the girls have many trigger points and they should be left alone., and protected.

you can call it paranoia or whatever you wish, and while they are their lawyers, MO is that most lawyers would not touch this caliber of a client unless they must take them, (would be given to them by legal aid).
Lawyers that must take them are often still in training.
Ethical lawyers don't go near scum but water meets its own level.

 

[Natal]

He was a family court judge, I don't think they are the same calibre as criminal court judges.

 

[BeenaBobba]

Oh, and the paranoia about the PDs being puppets of the Garrido's is uncalled for, they are just doing their jobs. They work with people like the Garrido's every day, they are not gullible zealots. I'm sure they have seen it all and are probably very cynical about their clients in general in private.

I agree that they have a job to do and that their recent motion requesting to speak with Jaycee is a legitimate part of their job; however, Stephen Tapson went out of his way to tell the press that "forces of evil" are keeping Nancy from Jaycee and the girls. IMO, that went above and beyond what his job as a defense attorney requires. That said, I don't think any of us are being paranoid when we write that making a comment like that to Jaycee could be quite detrimental to her recovery at this stage in the game.

 

[MCDRAW]

"What I'm saying is they raised these kids as their kids, and whatever decision they make with how they are going to proceed in this case, whether they go to trial or don't go to trial, is going to affect these kids," Gellman said.

Motions filed Thursday by attorneys representing both suspects said Phillip Garrido stopped having sexual contact with Dugard "sometime around the birth of the second child" she bore him in November 1997.

Eventually, "all five held themselves out to be a family," the documents state.

Gellman wrote in a declaration that they took vacations and ran a family business together, as the children were home-schooled.

"They kept pets and had a garden. They took care of an ailing family member together. They had special names for each other," Gellman wrote.
Snipped from this article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/05/AR2010020503289.html


THIS MAKES ME SICK!!!! And it is also exactly why I believe Jaycee and especially her children, will need an attorney!

I can not believe that these attorney's even put these words in a brief. "They are parental figures in a close, caring family". That is so sick. They stole a child, raped her, took her children as their own. They were so close and caring they confined Jaycee to the backyard for 18 years. Why should those attorney's get to speak to Jaycee to help prepare for the defenses of the G's. I wouldn't think victims would have to help prepare a defense. Hopefully this judge will have sense and not allow it. This certainly proves to me that Jaycee does need an attorney for her and her girls. I believe defense attorney's need to do their job but trying to get the victims help in their clients defense goes too far. IMO

 

[kbl8201]

what i love is that somehow, even if it's true, that by not raping her after the first six and a half years, that somehow erases everything he did to her.
morons.
oh and here we have it, what i feared all along. jaycee helping take care of his twisted mother. like that was her responsibility.

 

[believe09]

what i love is that somehow, even if it's true, that by not raping her after the first six and a half years, that somehow erases everything he did to her.
morons.
oh and here we have it, what i feared all along. jaycee helping take care of his twisted mother. like that was her responsibility.

I think you are spot on with your statement. Yup, it's just as if they didnt steal a child and keep her hidden. Just as if they didnt force this child to give birth without the aid of medical help at a time when she should have been focused on being a child.

What makes this crime even more demented is the fact that the child they stole participated in a close loving relationship with her offenders. And, she survived. Unlike others who possibly came across this duo.

For the defense to imply that Nancy and Phil are going to "fall on the sword" in order to protect this family they created not out of love but out of infinite selfishness and likely mental illness is the final outrage to me. The idea that Jaycee should sacrifice herself YET again in order to protect her children from having to testify against these monsters is UNCONSCIONABLE imo.

She may wish to speak to them. That is her choice. But personally, I think that the attorneys for these two should pipe down. There is no spin that makes this palatable in my very honest opinion.

 

[songline]

ITA with most of this except, I don't think the G's should be allowed jailhouse visits with each other. I don't really know what the laws are in regards to inmate to inmate visits, but I strongly believe that two inmates that are jailed for participating in the same crime should be banned from any and all visits with one another. Their lawyers argued that if the two were out on bail they would be able to visit each other. Well, they aren't out on bail. If they want to visit each other, they need to pay up. They are being housed at a cost to the taxpayers.

Also, I don't know how comfortable I am with the defense knowing JC's location. I do agree that she is an adult and can make her own decisions without the help of her mother or a PR firm. I just worry about whether or not the PD's will pass this information on to P&N? I don't believe the G's should have any knowledge of JC's or the girls' whereabouts. When and IF JC wants to write or visit them, it should be on HER terms and no one else's. If JC wants them to know where she is, that's another story...but totally up to her and eventually the girls, as well.

An adult who has been in captivity for 18 years since age of 11 and raped repeatedly has very different reference points and many trigger points and should not be viewed as most other adults.

the only part of this post I agree with is - when she is ready it should be on her terms.

But when is the ultimate question. it takes years to heal those trigger points.
As far as inmate to inmate visits I think is not much different then her lawyer talking to his lawyer and delivering messages to and from each other.

IF they were not a couple I think that inmates should be kept apart so that they can not align with all their lies.

MO

 

[songline]

I think you are spot on with your statement. Yup, it's just as if they didnt steal a child and keep her hidden. Just as if they didnt force this child to give birth without the aid of medical help at a time when she should have been focused on being a child.

What makes this crime even more demented is the fact that the child they stole participated in a close loving relationship with her offenders. And, she survived. Unlike others who possibly came across this duo.

For the defense to imply that Nancy and Phil are going to "fall on the sword" in order to protect this family they created not out of love but out of infinite selfishness and likely mental illness is the final outrage to me. The idea that Jaycee should sacrifice herself YET again in order to protect her children from having to testify against these monsters is UNCONSCIONABLE imo.

She may wish to speak to them. That is her choice. But personally, I think that the attorneys for these two should pipe down. There is no spin that makes this palatable in my very honest opinion.

GREAT POST :dance:

 

[Tizzle]

An adult who has been in captivity for 18 years since age of 11 and raped repeatedly has very different reference points and many trigger points and should not be viewed as most other adults.

the only part of this post I agree with is - when she is ready it should be on her terms.

Songline, what I was saying is, it is ultimately JC's choice. Whether or not it is a good choice is a different thing, altogether. What I am saying is, not her mom nor her representatives should forbid her from doing anything. For them to try to "over" control her or make too many decisions for her would certainly activate any triggers quicker than letting her make some choices. They can coach and suggest against it, but I think if they forbid her from making any decisions on her own, it would be more detrimental to her mental health.

Like you, I don't think she should have contact with anyone on the defense side, but that is only our opinion. JC's opinion may be different than ours. She has to be allowed to spread her wings to some extent and experience making mistakes on her own. She has to be able to make decisions with good outcomes, too. The only way for either to happen, is for them to "let her take the wheel", a bit. It would be healthy for all involved, IMO.

 

[songline]

Songline, what I was saying is, it is ultimately JC's choice. Whether or not it is a good choice is a different thing, altogether. What I am saying is, not her mom nor her representatives should forbid her from doing anything. For them to try to "over" control her or make too many decisions for her would certainly activate any triggers quicker than letting her make some choices. They can coach and suggest against it, but I think if they forbid her from making any decisions on her own, it would be more detrimental to her mental health.

Like you, I don't think she should have contact with anyone on the defense side, but that is only our opinion. JC's opinion may be different than ours. She has to be allowed to spread her wings to some extent and experience making mistakes on her own. She has to be able to make decisions with good outcomes, too. The only way for either to happen, is for them to "let her take the wheel", a bit. It would be healthy for all involved, IMO.

What you are saying makes sense in degrees...Like a child; you ask them do you want peas or spinach
till they are mature enough to be asked do you want a red car or a white car.
So the theory you use is right the level of maturity is not known to us, but I can assure you that they must take the same kind of steps as they would with a child.Meaning that she gets t make decisions step by step, and with regarding to the animals who took her natural life from her, she should not yet get to make those decisions at all. HOPE they keep any news about the perps away from her.

Lets talk about this again in a couple of years after we see how she has advanced not only how she can smile for a camera.
It took some time for Elizabeth Smart to come out and speak of her progress and she was not as abused as JC, not captive as long, and no children to deal with for ever.

 

[LinasK]

What you are saying makes sense in degrees...Like a child you ask them do you want peas or spinach till they are mature enough to be asked do you want a red car or a white car. So the theory you use is right the level of maturity is not known to us, but I can assure you that they must take the same kind of steps as they would with a child.
Meaning that she gets t make decisions step by step, and with regarding to the animals who took her natural life from her, she should not yet get to make those decisions at all. HOPE they keep any news about the perps away from her.

Lets talk about this again in a couple of years after we see how she has advanced not only how she can smile for a camera.
It took some time for Elizabeth Smart to come out and speak of her progress and she was not as abused as JC, not as long, and no children to deal with for ever.

I agree with both of you, in the sense that although Jaycee is a 29-year-old adult woman, because of her circumstances, she may not have good judgement, particularly in wanting to see her captors- something like the Stockholm Syndrome, whereby having been forced to get along and live with them for so many years subject to their brain-washing, she may have internalized alot of that "bonding", and it may take much time and de-programming to get past that. On the other hand, I have absolutely no problem with Katie Calloway Hall confronting them.

 

[songline]

I agree with both of you, in the sense that although Jaycee is a 29-year-old adult woman, because of her circumstances, she may not have good judgement, particularly in wanting to see her captors- something like the Stockholm Syndrome, whereby having been forced to get along and live with them for so many years subject to their brain-washing, she may have internalized alot of that "bonding", and it may take much time and de-programming to get past that. On the other hand, I have absolutely no problem with Katie Calloway Hall confronting them.

You said it better then I did. Exactly...

 

[believe09]

Jaycee is in a club with not a whole lot of members. Let's face it-very, very few make it out alive from that kind of captivity. I dont know who is qualified to help her back from where she was-but I am certain they are out there. And I hope she has lions and a moat surrounding her-even if they are simply the equivilent-like body guards and her mother with a taser in each hand!

Because we allow our defendants access to their accusers, she will have to be a part of whatever makes it to a jury trial-if there is a shred of anything in either one of the Garridos, they should plead guilty and let her go.

They wont-but they should. JMO.