General discussion #3

[golfmom]

I imagine one might also do it if they are selling stolen merchandise (but that's just my opinion).

This is the way it was when I used to buy at e-bay. It might not be this way anymore but back then, there wasn't a chance that I would have chosen to make my feedback private. Oh, and BTW, that is an option that you have to select ... the default on e-bay is public feedback, (at least back a year or so ago when I was using it).

I think you're right on this one, just imagine there was a glowing description of the item received by the buyer in feedback. Kind of hard to hide that. BTW, I passed the information on to someone I feel will make sure that the District Attorney in the embezzlement case gets the ebay info.

 

[Jenifred]

I've been trying to track down the actual soccer game -- I believe, and this is without tracking back to look, that MissYouJanet said he left the house about 7:30 PM and returned about 10:30 PM. If that's the case, I'm going to assume a playing time of one hour, another hour or so to account for warmup, possible late start, chatting, change afterwood, which leaves the last hour for r/t of 30 mins each way. Within those parameters, I tried to look for a league that had a game that fit the timeframe.

I first found the North Carolina Adult Soccer Assn, of which his friend, Daruis Ejlali, is President. NCASA

From there, I looked at the links of clubs/leagues that were in the geographic area that made sense timewise. You can view this info on the "Where to Play" link at top of homepage. Once looking at the different areas and deciding which made sense geographically, I then looked at each club/league to see whether any played the night of the murder. The only one I found is TASL. If you go to schedule, you will see the Coed Section C plays on Tuesday nights. There were two games (so 4 teams) that had a game at 8:30 PM on that night, which fits. I wish I could confirm one way or the other, but this is the best I could come up with.

I've been told that he might have played with a Spanish League. I've only looked at the one with the web site and can't seem to find anything. Maybe one of the "magicians" can help me check on this.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

GREAT find, ThinkofLaura!!! His user ID history virtually proves it:

User IDEffective DateEnd Date
lostmyjobsalesJan-19-05Present
futbalrguyNov-15-03Jan-19-05
dc-friendMar-14-01Nov-15-03
dc-ravenJan-04-01Mar-14-01
*******@ravenstree.comDec-17-00Jan-04-01

I don't know how you found this but good sleuthing!!

If ThinkofLaura is right about keeping your main addresses up to date then perhaps raven had so many id's because he moved back to Utah. I have found info that he did live in Utah while he and Janet were married and she went back to school... timeline seems to fit with these user profiles.

 

[misterallgood]

Folks, a church group went in to clean the house after the police released it from being a crime scene. It could be that Raven has only been back once if at all since the murder. He may not have even been the one to leave the shoes outside, or the desk.

It's been over a month now since the murder, and no arrest yet. To me, the most important thing right now is the evidence gathered to point toward a suspect. If the shoes mattered to LE, they wouldn't have been out there.

We've established here fairly conclusively that there's a lot about Raven that would make most of us think he's the obvious suspect -- he fits a certain mold almost perfectly; materialistic, narcissistic, arrogant, shallow, aggressive, controlling, a philanderer -- yet none of that has brought him into police custody.

So let's ask again; why are the cops holding back? What's missing that they would need to bring Raven or anyone else in? Is there good investigating going on, or good lawyering on Raven's end?

Here are some important questions to me right now; I still am not clear on the soccer game that night -- where it was, what time, and when he logically would have been home from it. I would like to know a lot more about his infidelities. I want to know about insurance, as well -- life insurance. Especially; is there a policy on Kaiden? I'd love to know what he told police about his activities that night. I'd like to know if he's still in communication with the police. If there are other viable suspects, I most certainly am curious about who they might be. To me, this is the important stuff.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Most people living in Utah would probably be interested in mountain bikes and snowboards this past winter, don't ya think? Computer stuff and books, universal.
BTW, I don't think Raven OWNED a book of his own, just my own viewpoint of his shallowness when it comes to things cerebral.

The sticking point is in the CONTACT INFO.
As I said, your contact info HAS to be correct.
Samuel_ Peter lives in Utah.
You can find this out by doing an " Advanced Search" and " find a member" by typing in his User ID.
It gives the state of residence.
Raven has NOT lived in Utah for several years. And there's no logical reason to pay shipping twice on mountain bikes and snowboards to get them to his residence in NC, where they most likely would not have as much use. NC seems to equal trucks, LOL.

There is NO selling history on the account going back to the very first. Since he has very good established FB on the Lostmyjobsales User ID , it is logical that he used that eBay User ID to buy. Sellers are a lot easier to deal with when they have a buyer with glowingly perfect FB. I promise I would not say this if I had not just lived through it.

Here's the info from eBay:

samuel_peter ( 21) 3 years 7 months UT, United States

this info could be one of his brothers, too.... family members sometimes share accounts. Maybe not though...

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Folks, a church group went in to clean the house after the police released it from being a crime scene. It could be that Raven has only been back once if at all since the murder. He may not have even been the one to leave the shoes outside, or the desk.

It's been over a month now since the murder, and no arrest yet. To me, the most important thing right now is the evidence gathered to point toward a suspect. If the shoes mattered to LE, they wouldn't have been out there.

We've established here fairly conclusively that there's a lot about Raven that would make most of us think he's the obvious suspect -- he fits a certain mold almost perfectly; materialistic, narcissistic, arrogant, shallow, aggressive, controlling, a philanderer -- yet none of that has brought him into police custody.

So let's ask again; why are the cops holding back? What's missing that they would need to bring Raven or anyone else in? Is there good investigating going on, or good lawyering on Raven's end?

Here are some important questions to me right now; I still am not clear on the soccer game that night -- where it was, what time, and when he logically would have been home from it. I would like to know a lot more about his infidelities. I want to know about insurance, as well -- life insurance. Especially; is there a policy on Kaiden? I'd love to know what he told police about his activities that night. I'd like to know if he's still in communication with the police. If there are other viable suspects, I most certainly am curious about who they might be. To me, this is the important stuff.

I personally think LE is not doing a damn thing, period. There's been no news, no arrests, no public messages seeming to care about finding the killer. Tight-lipped or not, where's the rewards?? LE can offer them...

I have heard from some through P.M.s and also read about things in the news ... signs point to incompetence on the part of LE. My personal opinion: I think LE there is quite lazy and will probably take the info that the websleuthers are finding as the easy way out of doing their own investigating.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

But if one is computer-savvy, they could probably find a way to have numerous accounts at the same time without anyone being the wiser.

yeah especially if you log in from two different computers.
I would think Raven would have items shipped to and from some other state so it would look like real orders if his work was trying to track him. Maybe one of his friends in Utah was in on this??

 

[Thinkoflaura]

yeah especially if you log in from two different computers.
I would think Raven would have items shipped to and from some other state so it would look like real orders if his work was trying to track him. Maybe one of his friends in Utah was in on this??

For a mountain bike and a snowboard?
I don't understand your reasoning behind this.

BTW, you DO understand that this Samuel_Peters only has a total of 21 transactions, right?? And NONE as a seller?
There is only a total of 21 total transactions. NOT high activity at all.

I'm sorry but I traced back this person's activity and I see no connection to Raven. A relative is possible, sure.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

For a mountain bike and a snowboard?
I don't understand your reasoning behind this.

Think about it. eBay purchases are tracked. He's stealing THOUSANDS of dollars in product and probably making back twice as much. Do you think he's gonna care about some shipping charges? He probably wrote those off too. He has family in utah... maybe he had stuff shipped to a person there and then that person shipped them to Raven directly or to a buyer.
I buy on eBay, I know lots of little tricks of some sellers, too... many people buy things from antoher seller and then resell them for more.

 

[golfmom]

I put it as unconfirmed on our timeline thread.

 

[cappuccina]

...that they are hung up on evidence somewhere...(my instincts, and my familiarity with State crime labs...)...I am just speculating that either:

1. They cannot find some piece of "key" evidence they know they need (like blood spattered clothing, or a soccer uniform, or the murder weapon, for that matter, for example); or

2. There is, for some reason, a significant lack of trace evidence....Now with blood spattering all over the place, including the walls, this should not be...

3. (...and this is unfortunately more common than is realized...)...they blew the evidence collection/processing (which is also what I think happened in the Ramsey case, when the "chain of custody" was blown when they let all those people into the house, and when White and Ramsey were allowed to find the child's body in the basement)...

We don't know that Raven or someone else did not contaminate/remove things from the crime scene...we do not know if anyone else (in addition to the perp.) got in there before police came....we do not know if they realized that they botched evidence collection (for example blood samples being rendered unuseable), or it the "chain of custody" was blown (like in my example above....I'm inclined to believe that the chain of custody may have been blown, and that they may also be missing some key pieces of evidence....Now, the chain of custody thing is more serious because it renders the evidence and any conclusions drwn from it unusable/inadmissable in court...

NCBanker, what is the track record of the crime labs down there? I've heard mixed things about LE....also that the crime labs are extremely backlogged....

I am just speculating on all of this, of course...

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Some info about him and his family...

From 2001, he posted this on his resume:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020202121142/www.ravenstree.com/soccer_profile.htm

Extracurricular activities:
- Mountain Biking, Rock Climbing, Hiking, Camping, Snow Boarding, Running

Personal data:
- Currently living in Fredericksburg, VA (since Aug. 2000)
- Lived in Utah for 4 years
- Lived in San Diego, CA for 13 years

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

JerseyGirl, there is nothing to suggest that anyone other than lostmyjobsales is Raven. Golfmom posted the ID history for that one account and it included FootBallerGuy. ( however he spelled it).
Even had a name going back to Ravenstree.com

I realize that now. I just try to answer things as I think of them because if I wait until I get to the end of the thread, I'll probably forget what I wanted to say! lol. You guys have simply sleuthed faster than I've been able to catch up since yesterday.

I don't think Raven bought, I think Raven SOLD. These people didn't have the money for rent... I can't see him buying books in Feb. JMHO.

I guess that could depend on what the books are about. :innocent: If Raven knew how to sell on that site, he probably also knew how to buy. (I know quite a few people that have sold on e-bay, and every one of them started out as buyers.) Anyway, I believe that if Raven had seen something that he wanted on e-bay, he would have bought it.

Finally, I don't think that the lack of rent money was EVER a big factor in Raven's decisions. If it had been, he would have sold some of this toys. I'm not sure what kind of credit card debt or loan debt, etc., they had but if Janet was working, and someone else was paying their rent, where was Janet's paycheck going? I'm sure that they could have sprung for a couple of books - especially in February. That was, after all, the first of their three months of free rent, wasn't it?

P.S. My wording is bad this afternoon ... please forgive me, ToL, if this post sounds off. :blowkiss:

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Raven could've bought a book on how to commit a perfect crime~ :waitasec:

 

[Thinkoflaura]

Think about it. eBay purchases are tracked. He's stealing THOUSANDS of dollars in product and probably making back twice as much. Do you think he's gonna care about some shipping charges? He probably wrote those off too. He has family in utah... maybe he had stuff shipped to a person there and then that person shipped them to Raven directly or to a buyer.
I buy on eBay, I know lots of little tricks of some sellers, too... many people buy things from antoher seller and then resell them for more.

First of all, I think most people are on eBay. Secondly, the max bid is different for most of us. I make certain that the things I sell start out at the price I want for them and watch them go higher from there. I've never taken a loss.. In fact, I made $500 on a suitcase I bought for $5. I knew what it was, the charity shop which sold it to me didn't.
They were happy to have their $5, so everything is relative.

No, I'm sorry, but I don't follow your reasoning at all. about this Samuel_ Peter. More than likely, it is the first names of a person living in Utah.

The FRAUD and this eBay account are totally separate, PRM. NOTHING dovetails into the merchandise fraud.
I found the account Raven used for the fraudulent sales using a unique method my husband developed. I was also able to check Samuel_ Peter in the same way and am convinced that the SP account is NOT Raven.

It would be very expensive to pay the seller to have things shipped to Utah, then to pay the person in Utah to ship them to NC.
AND YES, I think he cares about shipping charges. This is a guy who remembers what his mother had to spend on him in the 4th grade!!!

These were obviously LEGITIMATE sales. There would be NO reason to try to hide it. I think the reasoning behind this is flawed.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Raven (from his resume)
personal data:

- Currently living in Fredericksburg, VA (since Oct. 99)
- Lived in Utah for 4 years
- Lived in San Diego, CA for 13 years
- Step-Father- Electrician
- Mother- Technology Sales
- 4 Sisters, 4 Brothers

 

[Thinkoflaura]

Raven could've bought a book on how to commit a perfect crime~ :waitasec:

It's called " Hitman", published by Palladin Press.
Truly chilling methods of murdering.. it really is a guideboosk to murder, however, I doubt anyone would leave an e trail behind, LOLOL.

The sick part of me wants to say he bought a new Henkle knife set..

 

[PrayersForMaura]

First of all, I think most people are on eBay. Secondly, the max bid is different for most of us. I make certain that the things I sell start out at the price I want for them and watch them go higher from there. I've never taken a loss.. In fact, I made $500 on a suitcase I bought for $5. I knew what it was, the charity shop which sold it to me didn't.
They were happy to have their $5, so everything is relative.

No, I'm sorry, but I don't follow your reasoning at all. about this Samuel_ Peter. More than likely, it is the first names of a person living in Utah.

The FRAUD and this eBay account are totally separate, PRM. NOTHING dovetails into the merchandise fraud.
I found the account Raven used for the fraudulent sales using a unique method my husband developed. I was also able to check Samuel_ Peter in the same way and am convinced that the SP account is NOT Raven.

It would be very expensive to pay the seller to have things shipped to Utah, then to pay the person in Utah to ship them to NC.
AND YES, I think he cares about shipping charges. This is a guy who remembers what his mother had to spend on him in the 4th grade!!!

These were obviously LEGITIMATE sales. There would be NO reason to try to hide it. I think the reasoning behind this is flawed.

whatever.... have your opinions, I'll have mine.
And most people ARE NOT on ebay... just internet savvy people who have an interest in buying or selling or running their own business. No one in my family of 12+ has an ebay account but me. That's like saying everyone owns a computer. Poor people might not but apparently raven would pay for his internet access over forking out dough for his own rent!

 

[Thinkoflaura]

Raven (from his resume)
personal data:

- Currently living in Fredericksburg, VA (since Oct. 99)
- Lived in Utah for 4 years
- Lived in San Diego, CA for 13 years
- Step-Father- Electrician
- Mother- Technology Sales
- 4 Sisters, 4 Brothers

I totally agree that it could be a relative.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

The last purchases made by this SamuelPeter were made this year, in Feb. and in May. 2 were for Apple Computer parts. My husband has bought Apple computer add ons, and he is certainly not guilty of any crime.

I really don't see anything which ties Raven to this account. Also, there is NO selling that I can see. If Raven needed to dump the soccer stuff, he would have used as many eBay outlets ( screen names ) as he could.

Another thing: Your contact info must be kept up to date. They will throw you off eBay in a heartbeat if they cannot verify your contact info. ( Happened to a friend of mine who was buying under one account name and selling under another name. She got caught after 5 years because her address on eBay and her address on PayPal didn't match. She gave a NYC address for the fake name, while she has always lived in CA).
Raven was not living in Utah in either Feb. or May. A seller gets a message from eBay saying where the person lives based upon the info in their account.
Same goes for PayPal, which most eBayers use. The PayPal info HAS to be corect, otherwise someone else is going to get the item bought. People report the discrepencies, as PayPal will not cover the item with insurance if the two addresses are different or if both are wrong. That would be in the case of someone emailing their seller and saying " Oh, BTW, I moved to Aspen CO this week and need the stuff sent there."
A good seller would not do this as it leaves them wide open for all kinds of fraud charges from an unscrupulous buyer.PayPal protects a seller up to $1000 per transaction ONLY if the address is confirmed.

I completely see what you're saying but I've had a lot of past experience with e-bay as well, and I did not have the experiences you've mentioned above. I've had things sent to different addresses, no problem. Also, in the YEARS that I've been a member of e-bay, I don't recall EVER being asked to verify or update my account information. About PayPal, not all members use it. I would think that cash or money order only is how a thief would want to be paid for stolen merchandise. And if the other accounts were, indeed, set up to sell stolen merchandise, SamuelPeter from Utah could be his original account that he used to use to legitimately buy things.