General discussion #3

[golfmom]

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23790
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I've received one confirmation from a separate source that says it's spot-on.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

fyi on the samuel peter guy....

his profile was created about 3 years ago which would've been 2002...
Janet went back to college in 2002, from what info i've gathered and Raven was living back in utah briefly. I don't understand it all and the moving and stuff but I think that is correct. Anyone know of anything differently pertaining to 2002??
Let me/us know. I still need to get that timeline updated...

thanks!

 

[Thinkoflaura]

It's not a rental district. I was surprised at how nice a surrounding it is. There were no visible signs of it being a rental area.

PS- I believed you last night. I think some people were not online and didn't keep reading to find answers to the questions which were asked then answered. You did an excellent job!! Now, go back, leave some flowers from WS, and try on those shoes!!! :laugh:

 

[PrayersForMaura]

PS- I believed you last night. I think some people were not online and didn't keep reading to find answers to the questions which were asked then answered. You did an excellent job!! Now, go back, leave some flowers from WS, and try on those shoes!!! :laugh:

I eventually did keep reading... I read posts in the order in which they are posted and reply as I am reading. I then go back and edit or comment again if I've found an answer to my post, which I believe is why NCBanker wrote that again about the rental district, replying to my post. I had written that I thought it was a rental district and then went back and edited it out as I kept reading and found NC Banker's note that it was NOT a rental district.

i was mostly commenting on the pool thing, and edited out my comment about the rental district, to which NCbanker replied...
There are comments and pictures about Raven taking Kaiden to the pool.

Just clarifying my original post I did keep reading though ...

 

[anneshirley]

Boy, while reading that eulogy, I felt I was stabbed in the chest! What a true loss of a life. Janet sounded absolutely amazing. What guilt the parents must feel pushing her to go to the college where she met HIM!!!

I can't imagine anybody bringing up at the funeral that they were suspicious of Raven. And of course, as Allgood points out, none of Scott's and Laci's family thought Scott Peters(on) was capable of murder. IMO, the Abaroas will stick to Raven being innocent and the Christensens may change their mind.

Trust me, I wasn't expecting Janet's family or their friends to curse Raven at her funeral. But I do KNOW that her family (at least the extended portion) were not fond of him. I was surprised by the somewhat loving tributes to Raven, especially by Janet's former teammates, in the eulogies.

 

[Thinkoflaura]

Just to clarify.... having no money does not stop people in debt from spending ... in fact, many people who have no money rack up over $20,000 in credit card expenditures.

I'm not saying SamuelPeter is Raven, but I'm not saying he isn't either.
Raven did live in utah around that period so who knows.
i definitely know the person you found IS raven because as you noted, the previous ids for that person go back to ravenstree.com.
Good find!!!

The last purchases made by this SamuelPeter were made this year, in Feb. and in May. 2 were for Apple Computer parts. My husband has bought Apple computer add ons, and he is certainly not guilty of any crime.

I really don't see anything which ties Raven to this account. Also, there is NO selling that I can see. If Raven needed to dump the soccer stuff, he would have used as many eBay outlets ( screen names ) as he could.

Another thing: Your contact info must be kept up to date. They will throw you off eBay in a heartbeat if they cannot verify your contact info. ( Happened to a friend of mine who was buying under one account name and selling under another name. She got caught after 5 years because her address on eBay and her address on PayPal didn't match. She gave a NYC address for the fake name, while she has always lived in CA).
Raven was not living in Utah in either Feb. or May. A seller gets a message from eBay saying where the person lives based upon the info in their account.
Same goes for PayPal, which most eBayers use. The PayPal info HAS to be corect, otherwise someone else is going to get the item bought. People report the discrepencies, as PayPal will not cover the item with insurance if the two addresses are different or if both are wrong. That would be in the case of someone emailing their seller and saying " Oh, BTW, I moved to Aspen CO this week and need the stuff sent there."
A good seller would not do this as it leaves them wide open for all kinds of fraud charges from an unscrupulous buyer.PayPal protects a seller up to $1000 per transaction ONLY if the address is confirmed.

 

[golfmom]

What am I missing? Could he just have had this account for purchasing only? Sure looks like his kind of activity.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=samuel_peter&item=-1&frompage=222

Looks like purchasing books; computer stuff; mountain bike stuff?; snowboard stuff?

 

[BorderGal]

Isn't that frequently connected to one of the personality disorders ... flirtations with both genders? I can't remember, and don't have time to research it just yet but I could have sworn that I've heard that before. I'll check it out later today if I can.

Just jumping in here...I confess I've been lurking in this forum for a week or so but haven't felt I had anything to add. But if this guy isn't a "person of interest" then something is WRONG with the LE investigation. Tons of red flags, to say the least!

To all of you---great sleuthing! Can't believe those pics of the house....I would have been totally creeped out, NCBanker!

Anyway, I digress...my point in quoting this post was to comment that it reminds me of something in the Peterson case. Anybody remember that when Scott went to a gay bar, he expressed disappointment that nobody hit on him? I always thought that was downright WEIRD. Like he was so hung up on himself, he expected people of both genders to want him, whether he swung their way or not.

 

[Jenifred]

Trust me, I wasn't expecting Janet's family or their friends to curse Raven at her funeral. But I do KNOW that her family (at least the extended portion) were not fond of him. I was surprised by the somewhat loving tributes to Raven, especially by Janet's former teammates, in the eulogies.

Do you thnk that they really knew him other than the time he had spent at school? I mean he was pretty outgoing and flashy.

And maybe people "felt" like they needed to add Raven into their tributes to Janet. They were together for, what, 8 years?

 

[golfmom]

Anyway, I digress...my point in quoting this post was to comment that it reminds me of something in the Peterson case. Anybody remember that when Scott went to a gay bar, he expressed disappointment that nobody hit on him? I always thought that was downright WEIRD. Like he was so hung up on himself, he expected people of both genders to want him, whether he swung their way or not.

Very interesting observation!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

lostmyjobsales(private) 4 years 5 months NC, United States

Check out the FB- had intensive activity for a 12 month period, over 200 transactions, then nothing since.
HMMM.

GREAT find, ThinkofLaura!!! His user ID history virtually proves it:

User IDEffective DateEnd Date
lostmyjobsalesJan-19-05Present
futbalrguyNov-15-03Jan-19-05
dc-friendMar-14-01Nov-15-03
dc-ravenJan-04-01Mar-14-01
*******@ravenstree.comDec-17-00Jan-04-01

I don't know how you found this but good sleuthing!!

 

[golfmom]

ThinkofLaura, would it be appropriate for us to contact Ebay and let them know that the person who owns this account has been charged with 5 counts of felony embezzlement of merchandise?

 

[NCBanker]

Thanks - I needed a good laugh!

PS- I believed you last night. I think some people were not online and didn't keep reading to find answers to the questions which were asked then answered. You did an excellent job!! Now, go back, leave some flowers from WS, and try on those shoes!!! :laugh:

 

[Thinkoflaura]

What am I missing? Could he just have had this account for purchasing only? Sure looks like his kind of activity.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=samuel_peter&item=-1&frompage=222

Looks like purchasing books; computer stuff; mountain bike stuff?; snowboard stuff?

Most people living in Utah would probably be interested in mountain bikes and snowboards this past winter, don't ya think? Computer stuff and books, universal.
BTW, I don't think Raven OWNED a book of his own, just my own viewpoint of his shallowness when it comes to things cerebral.

The sticking point is in the CONTACT INFO.
As I said, your contact info HAS to be correct.
Samuel_ Peter lives in Utah.
You can find this out by doing an " Advanced Search" and " find a member" by typing in his User ID.
It gives the state of residence.
Raven has NOT lived in Utah for several years. And there's no logical reason to pay shipping twice on mountain bikes and snowboards to get them to his residence in NC, where they most likely would not have as much use. NC seems to equal trucks, LOL.

There is NO selling history on the account going back to the very first. Since he has very good established FB on the Lostmyjobsales User ID , it is logical that he used that eBay User ID to buy. Sellers are a lot easier to deal with when they have a buyer with glowingly perfect FB. I promise I would not say this if I had not just lived through it.

Here's the info from eBay:

samuel_peter ( 21) 3 years 7 months UT, United States

 

[golfmom]

Here's the info from eBay:

samuel_peter ( 21) 3 years 7 months UT, United States

:blowkiss:

Thank you so much! You made it so understandable for me.

 

[Thinkoflaura]

ThinkofLaura, would it be appropriate for us to contact Ebay and let them know that the person who owns this account has been charged with 5 counts of felony embezzlement of merchandise?

I think it would be more appropriate to contact LE working on his cases in Durham and let them deal with it.. IF they know there is public pressure on them, they should do the right thing and contact eBay for his transaction records.

I doubt the money grubbers at eBay would care. Apparently the fraudulent sales of trademarked merchandise ( which eBay prosecutes to the fullest extent of the law, BTW) slipped under their radar, meaning that no one reported him to eBay at the time.
Since neither you nor I were his transaction partners, we can't do anything.

Also, because the sales are over 30 das old, we have no way to know the item number, etc. It would be futile to contact eBay but not LE in Duham. IMO.
It helps establish their case against him, just like the BLOG entries and so forth do with the " lost my computer" excuse after Janet's murder.

Funny, computer activity gets him caught every time.

BTW, when are we going to start looking on dating sites? I bet you he's on at least one national one. He would be EASY to find.. 25 year old Mormon.

 

[golfmom]

BTW, when are we going to start looking on dating sites? I bet you he's on at least one national one. He would be EASY to find.. 25 year old Mormon.

You know how we were chatting that we felt like we were missing something big .... maybe that's it!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I think I found one additional ebay identity, not marked as affliated with the other ones for some reason. I'm technically deficient and don't know how to make a screenshot, sorry.

Anyhow, the ebay name is dcraven (no hyphen like the other one) and it's out of NC also. Lots of activity from 99 onward, right up to May 30 even. Looks like lots of car parts and what not.

Not sure if this will work, but here is link to that profile: dcraven ebay profile

Geez, I hope this isn't him since whomever this is was leaving feedback on April 27th. But I keep thinking - what are the chances that two people from NC are named dcraven, one with a hyphen, one without, (unless that's why our guy used a hyphen in the first place). Were all of Raven's ID profiles private? If so, I imagine that this one would be also.

It's strange - there is a warning on e-bay to seriously consider whether or not you really want to make your feedback private because of the potential affect it could have on you as a buyer/seller if others can't view that feedback. They make it clear that you should only elect to make it private if there is a very real reason to do so. Some opt to do it when they have a lot of negative feedback, which he doesn't seem to have. Others do it when they are selling risque or otherwise questionable merchandise or if they are protecting the identity of their buyers, (in the event of an extremely valuable item or something of very high collectibility). I imagine one might also do it if they are selling stolen merchandise (but that's just my opinion).

This is the way it was when I used to buy at e-bay. It might not be this way anymore but back then, there wasn't a chance that I would have chosen to make my feedback private. Oh, and BTW, that is an option that you have to select ... the default on e-bay is public feedback, (at least back a year or so ago when I was using it).

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I think you're right...I just assumed that it was a pair of men's shoes...but they look too narrow to be men's shoes...

At the same time, look at their length compared to the 409 bottle. Don't they seem bigger than a women's 8.5?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Also, eBay does not like it at all when a person has 2 eBay IDs. I think it's OK if all you do is BUY, but if you SELL, then there's a potential for shill bidding.

But if one is computer-savvy, they could probably find a way to have numerous accounts at the same time without anyone being the wiser.