General Discussion and Theories #2

[redheart]

Soooo...if I post some random links about patricide in the Toronto area (like this: http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/12/03/16414686.html,
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...cused-of-killing-parents-in-scarborough-home/,
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/04/19/toronto-don-jail.html,
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FA0813F8345811738DDDAD0A94DD405B808CF1D3,) does that mean that there is a high probability that DM killed his father? I think that pretty much follows the same kind of "logic" some posters are using to say they believe OC is involved in this case.

 

[dizzy1]

So we need a group of just three or more, however they choose to be organized who can be based inside or outside of Canada . They need only have one of their main purposes or main activities to be the facilitation or commission of one or more serious offences. Said offence(s) if commited would likely result in direct or indirect receipt of a material benefit including (but not limited to ) financial benefit by the group or by just one of the persons who constitute the group... (hmmm)

Although GLOBALLY a consensus was reached that defines an organized criminal group as having at least three members taking action together or in some organized manner for the purpose of committing a serious crime and for the purpose of obtaining a financial or other benefit !!! The group must have some internal or organized structure and exist for some period of time before or after the actual commission of the offence(s) involved.

So basically a group of three people plotting a crime to obtain benefit from an offense and who stay formed as a group for some (unspecified) period time
before OR after the commission of the offence(s) involved.

Seems quite a possibility to me for OC to have been involved judging by this links definition, thanks for the link SillyBilly ..........JMO

So, are you trying to say that if there is a possible 3rd suspect as well, that DM, MS & possible 3rd suspect are the OC? Otherwise, I'm not really sure what you are suggesting in regards to you're final comments:

So basically a group of three people plotting a crime to obtain benefit from an offense and who stay formed as a group for some (unspecified) period time
before OR after the commission of the offence(s) involved.

Seems quite a possibility to me for OC to have been involved judging by this links definition, thanks for the link SillyBilly ..........JMO

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[Juballee]

That's the problem PP, we have no idea of DM's financial situation. Who knows, DM may have filed for legal aid to fund his case. DM paid cash for a couple of properties he owned, but where did he get that money from? Chop shop, drugs, borrowed money against Millard? For all we know he could have robbed a bank or had a sugar momma, or his own mother. It will all come out in the end. MOO

If main stream media is to be trusted as a valid source here, then when it was reported in interviews with the defence attorney that DM is well off, it should have been taken as verbatim. If it wasn't true, they wouldn't have aired those interviews or transcribed them to print, right? And in that case, then it should be taken as the truth here that DM obviously had OC connections because MSM has reported that there was a chop shop in the hanger, therefore, it was being used by some form of organized crime by the definition kindly provided earlier.


I guess it is just up to each person to choose which MSM articles they want to accept and which they choose to ignore, but I think it is striking that some are highly criticized and condemned for the lack of MSM validation of their logistically plausible theories, and yet others can throw out theories about sugar mamas or being crazed on drugs or rumours of aids without any MSM verification, and it is not criticized, while it is, in my opinion, sensationalizing upon this tragedy for the sake of minimizing other theories and pushing forth another agenda.

Just because no one has been able to preform a survey to accurately gauge the population percentage of organized crime for various comparable cities, for the obvious reasons, this does not mean that OC doesn't exist and are a major contributing force to the dynamics of many criminal situations. I realize my theories are quite unpopular here, and I have my own guesses why, but it does not make them any less plausible just because they might exonerate someone who is labeled public enemy number one right now, from what I see. The MSM air play that TB got for being missing was nothing like the frenzy that ensued once the MSM has a juicy suspect to exploit, in my opinion. Perhaps the old slogan is true, "Advertising Works".

 

[Curiositykitten]

If main stream media is to be trusted as a valid source here, then when it was reported in interviews with the defence attorney that DM is well off, it should have been taken as verbatim. If it wasn't true, they wouldn't have aired those interviews or transcribed them to print, right? And in that case, then it should be taken as the truth here that DM obviously had OC connections because MSM has reported that there was a chop shop in the hanger, therefore, it was being used by some form of organized crime by the definition kindly provided earlier.


I guess it is just up to each person to choose which MSM articles they want to accept and which they choose to ignore, but I think it is striking that some are highly criticized and condemned for the lack of MSM validation of their logistically plausible theories, and yet others can throw out theories about sugar mamas or being crazed on drugs or rumours of aids without any MSM verification, and it is not criticized, while it is, in my opinion, sensationalizing upon this tragedy for the sake of minimizing other theories and pushing forth another agenda.

Just because no one has been able to preform a survey to accurately gauge the population percentage of organized crime for various comparable cities, for the obvious reasons, this does not mean that OC doesn't exist and are a major contributing force to the dynamics of many criminal situations. I realize my theories are quite unpopular here, and I have my own guesses why, but it does not make them any less plausible just because they might exonerate someone who is labeled public enemy number one right now, from what I see. The MSM air play that TB got for being missing was nothing like the frenzy that ensued once the MSM has a juicy suspect to exploit, in my opinion. Perhaps the old slogan is true, "Advertising Works".

I don't think the mainstream media has ever reported that DM is wealthy. People may have assumed that he was wealthy based on his real estate holdings and the description of of DM as heir to an aviation dynasty.

Do you have any examples you can cite of the MSM calling DM wealthy?

 

[Alethea Dice]

I don't think the mainstream media has ever reported that DM is wealthy. People may have assumed that he was wealthy based on his real estate holdings and the description of of DM as heir to an aviation dynasty.

Do you have any examples you can cite of the MSM calling DM wealthy?

He spread his wealth around freely with his friends, said Benoît Ménardo, a friend of Mr. Millard who lives in France.

“He didn’t count money or anything, when he was at a restaurant, he was always paying, always organizing things,” said Mr. Ménardo, who had not heard of Mr. Millard’s arrest until called by the National Post.

While Millardair appeared to retain only a fraction of its old glory, the family’s finances did not seem in jeopardy.

His Maple Gate home, which police searched after his arrest, was completely customized as a party pad where he and his friends could relax and have fun, featuring a large aquarium stocked with fish and turtles, said Mr. Ménardo.

“He has two maybe three TVs and two X-Boxes just for his friends to play with. He was paying for all of it,” he said.

He bought his friends Seadoos and traveled with them widely in Greece, Alaska and France, he said.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/17/dellen-millard-suspect-in-tim-bosmas-death-was-always-a-little-different-classmate-says/

He is staying silent, except to pronounce his innocence and his lawyer has said he is too wealthy to be behind what appears to be a theft-gone-wrong, but Dellen Millard and his small empire of southern Ontario property continues to be heavily wrapped up in an investigation into the death of Timothy Bosma.

Paradkar said there was more to the story that hasn't come out and that his client, was wealthy and did not need to steal a truck.

"He's a very unassuming, humble person. He's intelligent, well-educated and financially well off, so there's no motive here," Paradkar said, according to CBC News.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/dellen-millard-property-wrapped-timothy-bosma-investigation-190136556.html

But just five months ago, the 27-year-old penned a lovely obituary after his dad died, leaving him much of his wealth.

He said Millard owns numerous properties that are paid for, including the farm near Cambridge worth nearly $1 million where Bosma's burned remains were found this week.

"He was not hurting financially," Paradkar said. "The police have confirmed he had sufficient funds to easily purchase this truck if he wished to do so."

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/05/20130515-183753.html

A wealthy aviation heir and a young wannabe rapper both charged with murdering an Ancaster family man made a brief appearance via video in a Hamilton courtroom Thursday.

http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2013/06/13/tim-bosma-murder-suspects-appear-in-court

Mr. Paradkar characterized his client as the wealthy heir to his family’s aviation business who had no debts and no need to steal a used truck.

For Mr. Nicholson, the story doesn’t add up, especially the part about Mr. Millard allegedly stealing Mr. Bosma’s six-year-old truck, “when he can write a cheque for a half a dozen new ones,” he said.

One friend of Mr. Millard’s girlfriend shared the impression of him as a modest man who acted neither spoiled nor particularly well-off. “He’s a soft-spoken sort of a guy,” said the friend, who cannot be named due to a publication ban. “I didn’t even know he had money. He never acted like it.”

Though the two never became close, the friend said Mr. Millard seemed to treat his girlfriend well, taking her on skydiving trips and tropical vacations.

Still, the recent developments don’t add up for the contractor.

“They have no problem with money. He’ll spend however many thousands on vehicles and airplanes and things. What’s the story with him buying an old truck? There’s something not right.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/inside-the-life-of-dellen-millard-the-man-charged-with-killing-tim-bosma/article12009016/

HTH

 

[Curiositykitten]

Thanks, Alethea Dice. I concede I was mistaken about the MSM describing DM as wealthy.

There's a lot more I could say about the real estate holdings and what constitutes wealth enough to make you a target, but I think I'll spare everyone instead.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Respectfully BBM. We have no idea of DM's financial situation. And from what I gather from this article, it does not sound promising. This is the point I tried to make in comparison with MJackson financial situation. Worth more dead than alive. Just because reports have claimed DM owned the hangar, properties, planes ect., does not mean he has wealth, money in the bank per se. To say DM owned whatever is just a figure of speech IMHO. Simple explanation. Someone borrows money from the bank to purchase a house known as a mortgage. That house does not belong to them until they have paid the money back to the bank. The bank owns that house. You fail to make mortgage payments; bank takes house away. At this point it is pure speculation regarding DM financial situation.

rsbm

Lots of links above regarding the financial status of the family and properties purchased with cash, however, please feel free to provide some other links that allude to heavy debt and mortgages. Even if what AS states is true about the coffers running low, I'm sure as business people, the family would have had certain Millard Air funds available for the project. That does not mean that WM would have sunk the entire family fortune into the project.

From this article it appears the new business never got off the ground, a lot of money was poured into it and IMO, if WM had the money, he would have went ahead on his own and funded the runway improvements himself instead of taking, who know how long, maybe years waiting for approval for funding from Waterloo Counsel. MOO he had no choice but to turn to Waterloo Regional Counsel for further funding to try and get the business off the ground.

The new hangar project was approved because it was seen as an advantage to upgrading and expanding the business operations of the Waterloo airport, attracting more international flights. Why wouldn't the airport make the runway improvements that were required? They expected to share in the advantages, they should also share in the costs in the improvements to the runway itself. That's pretty normal in these types of business agreements, I would think.

So with all that to take into consideration, why would OC bother to go after someone who may not have money?

Regardless of DM's financial situation, I'm unsure why people think he would need to be worth millions to be of interest to OC. It's my understanding that OC is interested in what they can make off a person/project, not necessarily that person's own personal financial worth. The hangar, planes, helicopter all could potentially have been useful to OC in regards to a chop shop, drug smuggling, or even human trafficking, all of which would have made them money. IMO, OC cares about what a person has to offer, not how much money they have in the bank. From my previous link, they can even have help from Border Services agents. Do you think they cared how much money that CBSA agent had in the bank?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/03/07/pol-border-services-agent-socialized-with-organized-crime.html

JMO

 

[bessie]

With respect Bessie It is a fact that OC is rampant in Hamilton /Ancaster and surrounding areas. To leave that out of the equation would be rather limiting imo. If all we can do is repeat MSM and go along with it then my question is.... how do we sleuth what has already been said ? Sleuthing imo means digging at every possibility to uncover motive for a crime to have occurred JMO

Blomquist, we're all free to snoop around on our own. If one gets a hit, makes a concrete connection, then there's a decent chance it can be shared in the forum. Not guaranteed, but decent, IF it's relevant and the back up is solid.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

G'day Bessie, for the record, love your ignore list tutorial! I have the same theory! If they are bothering ya, put em on ignore and no one gets hurt!

Anyhow, back to the subject at hand!

 

[skatergirl]

Just a little interesting tidbit...

DP has recently created a youtube channel for himself. As of right now there are only 6 videos on his channel, 5 relating to another case and 1 after the first court appearance of DM. The channel was created on June17th 2013. Of all the videos posted to date, the one concerning DM has received almost double the views of all the other 5 combined.


http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM6VXauhttXcmZmOW1hm1pg/feed

 

[swedie]

If new evidence is/was found which would lead to DM's non-involvement. He would/will be dismissed of the charges against him. It is of my opinion this case is still very actively being investigated and if the OC senerio/theory existed, investigators would have discovered it by now two months after the fact. All it would take is for DM to give up his right to remain silent and for LE to investigate the potential. The "right to remain silent" IMO is more so to protect the guilty. Say DM gave up that right upon many hours of questioning when first arrested. Explained to LE about the OC out to get him and/or his loved ones. LE would have investigated further, found the perps , confirm DM's statements and he would be a walking free man. Of course unless DM was running his own OC. Now that seems more logical to me IMHO.

If I was wrongfully accused of a crime as heinous as this one, I would divulge everything I knew to prove my non-involvement and not have to spend another day in the deplorable conditions jail offers. Of course that's just me and MHO though. Some people would use their rights to the full extent just because they have those rights. DM could be living the dream with his loved ones somewhere out of reach by that OC and with protective security, instead he's living hell on earth in a jail cell. It's his choice. MOO.

A group of 260 cases were identified from across the country where an innocent defendant was exonerated after conviction. These were matched with 200 "near miss" cases in which an innocent defendant was acquitted or the charges were dismissed before trial.
The researchers identified 10 factors that led to a wrongful conviction of an innocent defendant instead of a dismissal or acquittal:

Erroneous Conviction vs. Near Miss
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A younger defendant
A criminal history
A weak prosecution case
Prosecution withheld evidence
Lying by a non-eyewitness
Unintentional witness misidentification
Misinterpreting forensic evidence at trial
A weak defense
Defendant offered a family witness
A "punitive" state culture [1]

http://nij.gov/topics/courts/sentencing/wrongful-convictions/predicting-preventing.htm

 

[bessie]

Unless someone has a link that shows a direct connection between DM and/or the Millard family to organized crime, the topic is closed. Please move on!

 

[Blomquist]

Can someone please post up the topics/allowed opinions related to this case that can be sleuthed ?

Or please confirm if it is solely MSM and LE press releases that are allowed to be sleuthed....

I don''t see any actual evidence to much of this case...so I am having a tough time trying to sleuth it ....JMO

 

[Blomquist]

Unless someone has a link that shows a direct connection between DM and/or the Millard family to organized crime, the topic is closed. Please move on!

Bessie...how can anyone provide a direct link to OC if OC is not in the habit of disclosing their crimes.... If they were, then surely they would not exist ??

 

[bessie]

Bessie...how can anyone provide a direct link to OC if OC is not in the habit of disclosing their crimes.... If they were, then surely they would not exist ??

Documentation exists which shows other individuals and families who have connections to organized crime. If there's something on the Millard family out there, you can post it. Otherwise, I don't know what to tell you except that the board policy dictates that theories have some basis in fact, and you know the guidelines for what constitutes "fact", so I don't have to repeat them. The mods have allowed this angle to be questioned for awhile now, and it's gone nowhere. I think we gave it a fair shot. It's time to move on.

 

[Blomquist]

Documentation exists which shows other individuals and families who have connections to organized crime. If there's something on the Millard family out there, you can post it. Otherwise, I don't know what to tell you except that the board policy dictates that theories have some basis in fact, and you know the guidelines for what constitutes "fact", so I don't have to repeat them. The mods have allowed this angle to be questioned for awhile now, and it's gone nowhere. I think we gave it a fair shot. It's time to move on.

Thanks for your opinion Bessie....

I'm not sure that its a fact that DM killed TB.... so are there any angles that you can suggest, that we can sleuth, if we do not find the opinion of the many (DM killed TB) to our liking and our reasoning?

 

[Blomquist]

Documentation exists which shows other individuals and families who have connections to organized crime. If there's something on the Millard family out there, you can post it. Otherwise, I don't know what to tell you except that the board policy dictates that theories have some basis in fact, and you know the guidelines for what constitutes "fact", so I don't have to repeat them. The mods have allowed this angle to be questioned for awhile now, and it's gone nowhere. I think we gave it a fair shot. It's time to move on.

Is it not a fact that LE gave a press release about a chop shop at the hangar (connected/owned by DM)? Based on the definition of OC given by Silly Billy (thanks BIlly) the operation of a chop chop falls into the OC category. Therefore its just a case of finding out who was running the chop shop is it not? Chop Shops are definitely businesses that fall under OC even according to the RCMP. JMO

Usually connections to OC are confirmed AFTER the details have been released....so as yet we are still awaiting confirmation (trial)...but the fact that a chop shop which is deemed to be an OC operation is part of the case...means imo that there is a clear and confirmed connection to Millard Air.... we need to find the people running it JMO

 

[redheart]

It's one thing to see a connection to OC through the possible chop shop. It is an entirely different thing to postulate that OC has framed DM for the horrendous crime with which he's been accused.

 

[cansleuther]

Is it not a fact that LE gave a press release about a chop shop at the hangar (connected/owned by DM)? Based on the definition of OC given by Silly Billy (thanks Billy) the operation of a chop chop falls into the OC category. Therefore its just a case of finding out who was running the chop shop is it not? Chop Shops are definitely businesses that fall under OC even according to the RCMP. JMO

The chop shop at the Waterloo hanger has been called a "typical" chop shop, as referenced in the quote from the Spec below:

The description of vehicles dismantled, repainted and having serial numbers ground away fits with a "typical chop shop," said Waterloo Regional Police Inspector Kevin Thaler.

After a takedown of a large-scale chop shop operation in the Niagara region in 2011, the OPP explained how chop shops "typically" work:

... hypothetically someone pays a young person $1,000 to steal a car, buys a fraudulent Vehicle Identification Number package for $3,000 to $5,000 and brings in a salvaged car from the U.S. for $1,000. Then they sell the car for $50,000 and take more than $40,000 in profit.

If DM was running the entire operation, why wouldn't he just pay others to steal the vehicles and not put himself at risk? Were he and/or MS "working" for someone else? Or could two people run an operation like this alone?


http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3250204-murder-suspect-s-waterloo-hangar-set-up-like-giant-chop-shop-police/

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2143252-cops-bust-5-million-chop-shop/

 

[Blomquist]

It's one thing to see a connection to OC through the possible chop shop. It is an entirely different thing to postulate that OC has framed DM for the horrendous crime with which he's been accused.

Not when you consider that DM was trying to rent out the hangar !!!! Would have probably upset a few people right ???? Perhaps they liked the convenience of that hangar.... we even know that someone at the hangar resumed 'business as usual' within days of the police checking the hangar..... JMO

Of course its possible that whomever was running the chop shop out of a hangar, might decide to get the one who is about to jeopardize their business premises.... and get themselves a nice truck to chop in the process ..... JMO

Chop Shops = Organized Crime