General Discussion and Theories #2

[swedie]

Not when you consider that DM was trying to rent out the hangar !!!! Would have probably upset a few people right ???? Perhaps they liked the convenience of that hangar.... we even know that someone at the hangar resumed 'business as usual' within days of the police checking the hangar..... JMO

Of course its possible that whomever was running the chop shop out of a hangar, might decide to get the one who is about to jeopardize their business premises.... and get themselves a nice truck to chop in the process ..... JMO

BBM

Well that would be very brazen of them then knowing LE could show up, warrant in hand, at any time to further investigate don't you think? DM's venture to renting out the hangar was IMO a lazy man's way of making money on a failed business.

 

[Blomquist]

The chop shop at the Waterloo hanger has been called a "typical" chop shop, as referenced in the quote from the Spec below:



After a takedown of a large-scale chop shop operation in the Niagara region in 2011, the OPP explained how chop shops "typically" work:



If DM was running the entire operation, wouldn't he just pay others to steal the vehicles and not put himself at risk?

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3250204-murder-suspect-s-waterloo-hangar-set-up-like-giant-chop-shop-police/

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2143252-cops-bust-5-million-chop-shop/

Maybe MS was paid to get the truck.... but MS did not plan on any murder .... Maybe DM was asked to go look at a truck with MS. Chop Shop controllers took the matter from there...... to the death of TB. JA O MO

DM could have witnessed the whole thing..... or he may have left....

Chop Shop = Organized Crime according to RCMP

 

[ellie b]

This is getting tiresome...........
Hope to see justice for Tim Bosma and his family and friends. Hopefully the truth will come out in court. See you there.

 

[Blomquist]

BBM

Well that would be very brazen of them then knowing LE could show up, warrant in hand, at any time to further investigate don't you think? DM's venture to renting out the hangar was IMO a lazy man's way of making money on a failed business.

I think shrewd and deceitful would be a better description IMO for describing the chop shop organizers who are profiting from their chop shop crime. No doubt they swiftly covered their tracks, as no doubt they knew what was coming down the pike.....if they organized it !!!! JMO

I think any property management ie. property rental companies are simply doing business....who are we to dictate how someone runs their own business ????

 

[swedie]

Lol reporters wording. First bold in report can confuse reader to believe this was a massive illegal chop shop business going on, but their wording means, because the hangar was massive/giant in size. As you continue to read the article, you discover there was less than ten vehicles found in the hangar. Who's to say these vehicles did not belong to DM, WM, or friends. Chop shops want to keep vehicles and parts coming and going at a quick rate but I would say ten is a minute amount for big time operation. To me it just appears DM and MS, possibly one or two others were just into stealing vehicles and the hangar was the most convienient/obvious/suitable place to dismantle and store them. I don't believe there were many people involved in this chop shop. Just a couple low life scumbags who enjoyed tinkering with vehicles. MOO

Police say they've found evidence that suggests a hangar at the Region of Waterloo International Airport owned by Dellen Millard was being used as a giant "chop shop" for stolen vehicles.

Hamilton police confirmed Thursday they're investigating multiple stolen vehicles and parts found inside the massive Breslau hangar.

There were a number of vehicles and/or parts found in the hangar and this remains under investigation," Constable Debbie McGreal-Dinning said in an email.

Police say they're still trying to track down owners of the discovered vehicles, putting the number found at fewer than 10.

The description of vehicles dismantled, repainted and having serial numbers ground away fits with a "typical chop shop," said Waterloo Regional Police Inspector Kevin Thaler.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chop_shop"]Chop shop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Alethea Dice]

BBM

Well that would be very brazen of them then knowing LE could show up, warrant in hand, at any time to further investigate don't you think? DM's venture to renting out the hangar was IMO a lazy man's way of making money on a failed business.

rbbm

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you're hinting at with the bolded sentence. Are you suggesting that the business owner was lying as well?

One company that made regular deliveries to the hangar tells CTV News the deliveries suddenly stopped the day after Bosma’s disappearance.

There was no further contact between the company and Millard Air until last week, when the employee the company always dealt with showed up and said it would be business as usual beginning this week.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/activity-at-millard-air-hangar-not-what-airport-boss-expected-1.1302652

 

[swedie]

I think shrewd and deceitful would be a better description IMO for describing the chop shop organizers who are profiting from their chop shop crime. No doubt they swiftly covered their tracks, as no doubt they knew what was coming down the pike.....if they organized it !!!! JMO

I think any property management ie. property rental companies are simply doing business....who are we to dictate how someone runs their own business ????

But shrewd and/or deceitful do not fit into my sentence structure BQ. I like brazen and it fits. :seeya: You did say in your above post way up there that they many be carrying on business as usual. How would one continue on business as usual in a chop shop if their main income makers are sitting in jail, they have no stock and know LE could show up at any time? How do you suppose "if" it's business as usually they hide their goods, cover their tracks? :what: Hmmm. MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

But shrewd and/or deceitful do not fit into my sentence structure BQ. I like brazen and it fits. :seeya: You did say in your above post way up there that they many be carrying on business as usual. How would one continue on business as usual in a chop shop if their main income makers are sitting in jail, they have no stock and know LE could show up at any time? How do you suppose "if" it's business as usually they hide their goods, cover their tracks? :what: Hmmm. MOO

Good question. So, as I've wondered many times before, who was the employee who said it was going to be business as usual a week and a half after DM was arrested?

 

[swedie]

rbbm

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you're hinting at with the bolded sentence. Are you suggesting that the business owner was lying as well?



http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/activity-at-millard-air-hangar-not-what-airport-boss-expected-1.1302652

Nope, I was referring to the "crooked" whomever BQ was referring to in her statement. Yes only crooked people run chop shop.
Snipped for clarification from BQ post for you AD.
BQ's post
Of course its possible that whomever was running the chop shop out of a hangar, might decide to get the one who is about to jeopardize their business premises.... and get themselves a nice truck to chop in the process.
HTH. :seeya:

 

[Pink Panther]

Good question. So, as I've wondered many times before, who was the employee who said it was going to be business as usual a week and a half after DM was arrested?

We don't know who it was. It showed up here:

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/activity-at-millard-air-hangar-not-what-airport-boss-expected-1.1302652

 

[swedie]

Good question. So, as I've wondered many times before, who was the employee who said it was going to be business as usual a week and a half after DM was arrested?

:dunno: Yes, good question. Let me know if and when you find out please and thank you kindly.

 

[Alethea Dice]

We don't know who it was. It showed up here:

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/activity-at-millard-air-hangar-not-what-airport-boss-expected-1.1302652

Yes, I just posted that link. It does show that there was someone else who thought they could carry on quite well without DM.

JMO

 

[swedie]

This is getting tiresome...........
Hope to see justice for Tim Bosma and his family and friends. Hopefully the truth will come out in court. See you there.

Agreed. Praying for justice for Tim and his family. RIP Tim.

 

[Juballee]

I apologize if I have offended anyone Bessie, I thought we were encouraged to debate and dissect possible theories on this site. Is there perhaps a new thread that could be started again for the few people here who do not dismiss the possibility that there may be more to this case than we have thus far been made aware of? Or are theories that do not match the mainstream thinking not allowed here anymore? I am not being sarcastic, I genuinely would like to know if this lively debate is making some people so uncomfortable that they cannot even ignore it? I honestly enjoy hearing the views of others that make me question my own theories to see if they still hold water for me, so perhaps there could be a separate thread for this debate, and those who find the conversation meaningless and annoying can avoid that thread and focus on ones more to matching their views and tastes?

Again I apologize if my unpopular ideas seem to be like bringing a bee hive to a family picnic, but I do think that it is the debate and contrasting opinions that bring forth the most information, after all, if we all agreed, no one would bother sleuthing anything.

On another subject - can anyone please remind me if we have ever gotten a definitive answer to where TB's phone was found in relation to his house? I think I remember hearing conflicting reports in the media, but I believe it was properly hashed out here to come to a more conclusive location and distance, does anyone remember?

And I wanted to say thank you to Redheart and Cansleuther, although we might not agree, I appreciate what I believe was you legitimizing the MSM link from the Millardair hanger to OC through the chop shop, I do hope that is allowed still.

 

[Pink Panther]

Couldn't we please have a thread "DM and OC" so that the other threads are left available for different subject matters?

moo

 

[Blomquist]

Couldn't we please have a thread "DM and OC" so that the other threads are left available for different subject matters?

moo

Or for a plausible theory to actually be allowed to thrive between those who consider it a viable possibility.

Pink Panther to the rescue ..... :giggle:

 

[bessie]

Couldn't we please have a thread "DM and OC" so that the other threads are left available for different subject matters?

moo

Or for a plausible theory to actually be allowed to thrive between those who consider it a viable possibility.

Pink Panther to the rescue ..... :giggle:

I'll re-open the alternative theories thread. Let's see how long that lasts.

 

[swedie]

As few as ten vehicles (ownership unknown other then a HD) found inside DM's hangar, constitutes as a chop shop? Possibly but again speculation. No proof it was a chop shop anymore than it was an unregistered auto body business. Although I do believe DM and MS were up to stealing vehicles for their own selfish gain and enjoyed the criminal aspect of it. MOO

Giant in this reporters terms meaning the structure of the building not the size of the supposed operation. HTH
Patiently awaiting facts and the trial.

A side investigation connected to Dellen Millard is underway based on police findings at the Millardair hangar at Waterloo International Airport. Millard is one of two men currently facing charges in connection with the death of Tim Bosma, who didn't return after his leaving his home in Ancaster, Ont., for a test drive of a truck he was trying to sell online.

It has been speculated that the hangar was being used as a giant “chop shop” for stolen vehicles due to the presence of dismantled, repainted vehicles with serial numbers ground away.



http://collisionrepairmag.com/news/...estigate-possible-chop-shop-at-millard-hangar

 

[Juballee]

Lol reporters wording. First bold in report can confuse reader to believe this was a massive illegal chop shop business going on, but their wording means, because the hangar was massive/giant in size. As you continue to read the article, you discover there was less than ten vehicles found in the hangar. Who's to say these vehicles did not belong to DM, WM, or friends. Chop shops want to keep vehicles and parts coming and going at a quick rate but I would say ten is a minute amount for big time operation. To me it just appears DM and MS, possibly one or two others were just into stealing vehicles and the hangar was the most convienient/obvious/suitable place to dismantle and store them. I don't believe there were many people involved in this chop shop. Just a couple low life scumbags who enjoyed tinkering with vehicles. MOO

Police say they've found evidence that suggests a hangar at the Region of Waterloo International Airport owned by Dellen Millard was being used as a giant "chop shop" for stolen vehicles.

Hamilton police confirmed Thursday they're investigating multiple stolen vehicles and parts found inside the massive Breslau hangar.

There were a number of vehicles and/or parts found in the hangar and this remains under investigation," Constable Debbie McGreal-Dinning said in an email.

Police say they're still trying to track down owners of the discovered vehicles, putting the number found at fewer than 10.

The description of vehicles dismantled, repainted and having serial numbers ground away fits with a "typical chop shop," said Waterloo Regional Police Inspector Kevin Thaler.

Chop shop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am sorry, I am genuinely confused here, are you suggesting in this post that there isn't a chop shop at all there, and that the vehicles found may have belonged to DM and or WM or that the story if it being a chop shop at all was exaggerated to come up with an OC angle? Or that DM and 3 or 4 friends were themselves a little OC? I am not critiquing, I have wondered the same thing, and we are all allowed to have more than one opinion as far as I am concerned, it is the only way to keep an open mind in this world. I also agree that chop shops should ideally try to keep things moving at a reasonable quick rate, which was why I found it odd that the Harley was still hanging around all these months later. Do you think the Harley was chopped there while WM was still alive, out of curiosity?

 

[swedie]

I am sorry, I am genuinely confused here, are you suggesting in this post that there isn't a chop shop at all there, and that the vehicles found may have belonged to DM and or WM or that the story if it being a chop shop at all was exaggerated to come up with an OC angle? Or that DM and 3 or 4 friends were themselves a little OC? I am not critiquing, I have wondered the same thing, and we are all allowed to have more than one opinion as far as I am concerned, it is the only way to keep an open mind in this world. I also agree that chop shops should ideally try to keep things moving at a reasonable quick rate, which was why I found it odd that the Harley was still hanging around all these months later. Do you think the Harley was chopped there while WM was still alive, out of curiosity?

Jub see my post 358. The HD was stolen last fall so it's plausible it was in the hangar untouched until just before arrests. Last fall DM could have easily explained it away to his father (if his father made visits to the hangar between the theft and before his death). DM may have claimed to have purchased it himself or telling his father it belonged to a friend and he was storing it there. If they chopped it right away, they could have concocted a story of re-modification. Just speculation and opinion on my part.

Then again WM died late November. Fall runs from September 22nd until December 21st IIRC. Yes we should all keep an open mind and I do. That is why I am able to expand on the information which coincides to reports by MSM and LE. Multiply opinions are what make us all unique and help in the process of sleuthing. I may not believe a certain theory but it doesn't mean others cannot believe in it. I place my opinion why I do not see a theory fitting only with the means of punching holes in that theory. This is what sleuthing here on this amazing site is all about. To get answers based on facts and evidence at present. If sometime down the road OC rears it's ugly head, fine I will go with it then. For now with what we know, not much, that is what I prefer. HTH and :moo: