General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[justus4all]

QUESTION.....what was the time of day that TN called Misty to come over to Ron's and babysit the kids???.....and offered to pay her????

It makes me question...if TN had EVER paid Misty in the past to babysit them...

Just this one time....

(I have not heard much about this incident...and don't even know if it is true..)

 

[1Chump]

I have re thought my theory...Just about the same but with just a few tweaks...

Original theory............Misty and Ron were together when Haleigh met her demise.
Tweaked theory..........Misty was not present when Haleigh met her demise..and doesn't know how Haleigh died.

Original theory............Misty was babysitting Haleigh and Junior But not at Ron's...but at the Magnolia residence..Misty's parents..

Tweaked theory..........Misty was not babysitting that day at all..She was at the Magnolia residence..Ron picked Haleigh up at the bus stop that day and TN was in the car. It was TN babysitting the kids at Ron's...so he could go to work...but Misty was later called by TN to come to Ron's MH to babysit and TN said she would pay her..and Misty agreed to come over. BUT....What time was that??? the million $$$ question..

IMO...Something happened to Haleigh after she was picked up by Ron...and before Ron went to work and later Misty was called by TN to come to Ron MH 's to babysit the kids..to set Misty up..

IMO..Altho Ron could have caused Haleigh's demise and left for work..Perhaps it was TN as the last person to SEE Haleigh,....instead of Misty the last one....because...IMO...Misty doesn't know what happened to Haleigh...If Misty had been there when Haleigh met her demise...she WOULD know...
moo

IMO, Ron has to be the one responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh. Because I do believe that Ron would throw his own mother under the bus to protect himself.

 

[justus4all]

IMO...Misty did not cause Haleigh's death...she may have particitpated in the cover up/clean up...pressured by the Cummings..to get her "involved" and be suspected as well...

The reason I feel she did not...is...Misty has not DISPLAYED the remorse/guilt/sadness of CAUSING the death of a child she had been caring for and perhaps loving the child..(not that we have had the priviledge to observe ...anyway)

Yes, Misty came from a poor and dysfunctional family...but not a history of killers..(that we know of)

We have all seen the videos of her and Ron..and Misty's display of happiness and smiling, carefree, teen-age giddiness, ..

I have no knowledge of psychology ...but ...just observing her...and her "easy" display of emotions...to me...she does not "look" like she is carrying/holding/keeping/ displaying /harboring any sign of guilt for such a horrible deed. She had /has no problem looking at the camera lens....

I believe it was said here on this thread (Chelsea said it?) that Haleigh and Junior would beg Misty to come babysit them...and Misty would..so it sounds like there was some relationship/feelings/..to agree to do it....(and if I am correct) not get any pay for it..

I believe that such a young girl as Misty...that wanted to be with Ron..wanted to care for him and take care of the kids and be a "family"....(as much as she could)..would not want to destroy that ...

I believe that Misty "trusted" the Cummings. She wanted to get along with them, all of them...and I believe when this accident happened to Haleigh, and they wanted her to go along with their "story" and told her they would back her/support her...she did..because she "trusted" they would....and Ron asked/expected her to...and in doing so...she unknowingly became their "fall guy"...and afterwards ...Ron married her..

Misty was/is...easily influenced....

all in my own opinion and 2 cents...

Yes..there are babysitter everyday than kill the children they are caring for and they look innocent too...I would be very surprised to learn she killed Haleigh..

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have changed my opinion often in this case.

I was convinced at one time that Misty wasnt involved but was there when it happened. I will admit I did buy into Tommy and Misty's tale that Joe Overstreet had killed Haleigh.

Then I thought .........the simplest route from Point A to Point B to something usually is the correct answer. One that doesn't have to have twists and turns to it to get it to fit. One that doesn't have to have a lot of "what ifs" in it or unknowns thrown in.

So now I believe that Misty is the main perpetrator. She has always placed herself there that night but of course she started off saying someone.. as if they were unknown... took Haleigh then that story morphed into another tale and another and another but always distancing herself from any culpability. Just like she tried to do in front of the Judge last Friday.

She says she suddenly wakes up at 3 and doesn't know why. I don't think she woke up then. I think she and Tommy had been up staging the scene and disposing Haleigh's body before Ron came in from work. No stranger comes into a house, steals a child and leaves the kitchen light on. Her tale from the very start made no sense. No wonder LE was instantly interested in Misty from the get go. And to believe Misty someone was in the house taking Haleigh out, leaving on the light, opening the back door which was hard to open and putting a cinder block at the door but she just slept through it all. Yeah right, Misty.

So to me I try to look at it logically. Who was there when Haleigh went missing? Misty. Who said they came later but then tried to retract it? Tommy.

That is why Misty will never come forth with the truth. She cant even truthfully tell anyone what Tommy's role really was because to truthfully do that means she has to tell the truth about her own involvement and why he really came over and that is just not going to happen, imo.

IMO

 

[Lanie]

I have changed my opinion often in this case.

I was convinced at one time that Misty wasnt involved but was there when it happened. I will admit I did buy into Tommy and Misty's tale that Joe Overstreet had killed Haleigh.

Then I thought .........the simplest route from Point A to Point B to something usually is the correct answer. One that doesn't have to have twists and turns to it to get it to fit. One that doesn't have to have a lot of "what ifs" in it or unknowns thrown in.

So now I believe that Misty is the main perpetrator. She has always placed herself there that night but of course she started off saying someone.. as if they were unknown... took Haleigh then that story morphed into another tale and another and another but always distancing herself from any culpability. Just like she tried to do in front of the Judge last Friday.

She says she suddenly wakes up at 3 and doesn't know why. I don't think she woke up then. I think she and Tommy had been up staging the scene and disposing Haleigh's body before Ron came in from work. No stranger comes into a house, steals a child and leaves the kitchen light on. Her tale from the very start made no sense. No wonder LE was instantly interested in Misty from the get go. And to believe Misty someone was in the house taking Haleigh out, leaving on the light, opening the back door which was hard to open and putting a cinder block at the door but she just slept through it all. Yeah right, Misty.

So to me I try to look at it logically. Who was there when Haleigh went missing? Misty. Who said they came later but then tried to retract it? Tommy.

That is why Misty will never come forth with the truth. She cant even truthfully tell anyone what Tommy's role really was because to truthfully do that means she has to tell the truth about her own involvement and why he really came over and that is just not going to happen, imo.

IMO

BBM

Exactly. I started out thinking about a stranger abduction, but I couldn't make it fit.

I was on the fence about Ron for a long time, and finally decided IMO he's not involved, not because I am smitten by him and/or some kind of RC groupie, but because I couldn't fit him in in any way I felt was plausible or reasonable.

And last, but not least, Misty says she was there, others say she was there, Misty has never claimed differently, and I haven't seen anything yet to make me think any differently. Ron, on the other hand, says he wasn't there, no one else says he WAS there, including Misty, who, again, WAS there.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM

Exactly. I started out thinking about a stranger abduction, but I couldn't make it fit.

I was on the fence about Ron for a long time, and finally decided IMO he's not involved, not because I am smitten by him and/or some kind of RC groupie, but because I couldn't fit him in in any way I felt was plausible or reasonable.

And last, but not least, Misty says she was there, others say she was there, Misty has never claimed differently, and I haven't seen anything yet to make me think any differently. Ron, on the other hand, says he wasn't there, no one else says he WAS there, including Misty, who, again, WAS there.

BBM

Excellent points Lanie.

I am certainly not a groupie of Ron Cummings either. I would never associate with someone like him in my real life. I cant stand drugs or anyone who sells them. Honestly there are a lot of players in this case I wouldn't hang around with either but that has nothing to do with my view on guilt or innocence but are just my own person biases which I set aside when I try to logically look at this case or any case for that matter.

However; I do not let my dislikes for Ron cloud my judgment on the issue of whether he is guilty of killing his daughter. I have yet to see anything showing me that Ron was involved. Imo, Ron was at work and LE have long known that.

IMO

 

[tlcya]

BBM

Excellent points Lanie.

I am certainly not a groupie of Ron Cummings either. I would never associate with someone like him in my real life. I cant stand drugs or anyone who sells them. Honestly there are a lot of players in this case I wouldn't hang around with either but that has nothing to do with my view on guilt or innocence but are just my own person biases which I set aside when I try to logically look at this case or any case for that matter.

However; I do not let my dislikes for Ron cloud my judgment on the issue of whether he is guilty of killing his daughter. I have yet to see anything showing me that Ron was involved. Imo, Ron was at work and LE have long known that.
IMO

BMM my sentiments exactly

 

[justus4all]

IMO, Ron has to be the one responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh. Because I do believe that Ron would throw his own mother under the bus to protect himself.

That is something I have not thought of....Ron does give the opinion he is "out for himself" and seems to have "others cover for him"...

Thanks for this eye opener....TN may have 2 reasons now to be worried...if not for fear of Misty finally talking...than.... fear for her own son.....putting her under the bus in trying to save his bu- -.....Thanks again..imo

 

[suspicious1]

I have changed my opinion often in this case.

I was convinced at one time that Misty wasnt involved but was there when it happened. I will admit I did buy into Tommy and Misty's tale that Joe Overstreet had killed Haleigh.

Then I thought .........the simplest route from Point A to Point B to something usually is the correct answer. One that doesn't have to have twists and turns to it to get it to fit. One that doesn't have to have a lot of "what ifs" in it or unknowns thrown in.

So now I believe that Misty is the main perpetrator. She has always placed herself there that night but of course she started off saying someone.. as if they were unknown... took Haleigh then that story morphed into another tale and another and another but always distancing herself from any culpability. Just like she tried to do in front of the Judge last Friday.

She says she suddenly wakes up at 3 and doesn't know why. I don't think she woke up then. I think she and Tommy had been up staging the scene and disposing Haleigh's body before Ron came in from work. No stranger comes into a house, steals a child and leaves the kitchen light on. Her tale from the very start made no sense. No wonder LE was instantly interested in Misty from the get go. And to believe Misty someone was in the house taking Haleigh out, leaving on the light, opening the back door which was hard to open and putting a cinder block at the door but she just slept through it all. Yeah right, Misty.

So to me I try to look at it logically. Who was there when Haleigh went missing? Misty. Who said they came later but then tried to retract it? Tommy.

That is why Misty will never come forth with the truth. She cant even truthfully tell anyone what Tommy's role really was because to truthfully do that means she has to tell the truth about her own involvement and why he really came over and that is just not going to happen, imo.

IMO

This case is far from simple....IMO, there is no "simplest route" in this case...if it was I think someone would've been arrested long time ago. Apparently it's not that cut and dry....and LE knows this....

I think Misty was brought into the coverup to say that she was the last one to see Haleigh....IMO, the Cummings thought by doing so...some people would indeed come to the most "logical" conclusion....and assume..since she was the last one to see Haleigh....then she "must" be guilty of the crime against Haleigh....I mean, really, that would be the most logical conclusion but apparently there are twists and turns in this case...and the "most logical" conclusion...isn't the "most logical" to solve this case, does that make sense?

If we are to say that LE is going with the most logical conclusion, and Misty is the main perpretrator, that would mean that all this time, LE has been trying to build a murder case against Misty...so if that's true....why would Ron refuse to cooperate with LE? and not cooperate until he had a criminal defense attorney :waitasec:...are we to then assume that Ron is covering for Misty? I doubt it...so are we to assume that Ron was so madly in love with Misty that he would rather protect her than bring justice to his daughter's killer? I doubt that too....For Ron to be innocent, IMO, it would have to be one or the other...why refuse to cooperate with LE, if LE had their sights on someone else? it doesn't make sense....

Who was there when Haleigh went missing? Actually I don't think we know....we have Misty saying that she was there...we have GMSykes saying that Misty was there because she "saw her"....but it seems LE thinks that Misty at some point was not there....therefore, somewhere else....who do you believe? I believe LE...and I also believed LE when they said that Misty was not the only one with inconsistencies...I believed LE when they said that Misty may not be "the key" but she has some key answers...IMO, there is a difference....so if Misty is not "the key"....then who the hell is? that's the question.

Who said they came to the mh then later retracted that statement? Tommy...but who did Tommy speak with prior to going anywhere? Ron. Until we know for a fact what that conversation was about...we can't say whether or not Ron sent him over there...It's Ron's word against Tommy's...and needless to say...I don't believe neither one of them. A liar is a liar...so who's word do you believe? That's a tough choice...and just because Haleigh was Ron's daughter doesn't make him any less of a liar than the rest of them....

JMO of course

 

[justus4all]

This case is far from simple....IMO, there is no "simplest route" in this case...if it was I think someone would've been arrested long time ago. Apparently it's not that cut and dry....and LE knows this....

I think Misty was brought into the coverup to say that she was the last one to see Haleigh....IMO, the Cummings thought by doing so...some people would indeed come to the most "logical" conclusion....and assume..since she was the last one to see Haleigh....then she "must" be guilty of the crime against Haleigh....I mean, really, that would be the most logical conclusion but apparently there are twists and turns in this case...and the "most logical" conclusion...isn't the "most logical" to solve this case, does that make sense?

If we are to say that LE is going with the most logical conclusion, and Misty is the main perpretrator, that would mean that all this time, LE has been trying to build a murder case against Misty...so if that's true....why would Ron refuse to cooperate with LE? and not cooperate until he had a criminal defense attorney :waitasec:...are we to then assume that Ron is covering for Misty? I doubt it...so are we to assume that Ron was so madly in love with Misty that he would rather protect her than bring justice to his daughter's killer? I doubt that too....For Ron to be innocent, IMO, it would have to be one or the other...why refuse to cooperate with LE, if LE had their sights on someone else? it doesn't make sense....

Who was there when Haleigh went missing? Actually I don't think we know....we have Misty saying that she was there...we have GMSykes saying that Misty was there because she "saw her"....but it seems LE thinks that Misty at some point was not there....therefore, somewhere else....who do you believe? I believe LE...and I also believed LE when they said that Misty was not the only one with inconsistencies...I believed LE when they said that Misty may not be "the key" but she has some key answers...IMO, there is a difference....so if Misty is not "the key"....then who the hell is? that's the question.

Who said they came to the mh then later retracted that statement? Tommy...but who did Tommy speak with prior to going anywhere? Ron. Until we know for a fact what that conversation was about...we can't say whether or not Ron sent him over there...It's Ron's word against Tommy's...and needless to say...I don't believe neither one of them. A liar is a liar...so who's word do you believe? That's a tough choice...and just because Haleigh was Ron's daughter doesn't make him any less of a liar than the rest of them....

JMO of course

You make some very good points suspicious..This is truly a "twist and turn" case to follow...

 

[Lanie]

This case is far from simple....IMO, there is no "simplest route" in this case...if it was I think someone would've been arrested long time ago. Apparently it's not that cut and dry....and LE knows this....

I think Misty was brought into the coverup to say that she was the last one to see Haleigh....IMO, the Cummings thought by doing so...some people would indeed come to the most "logical" conclusion....and assume..since she was the last one to see Haleigh....then she "must" be guilty of the crime against Haleigh....I mean, really, that would be the most logical conclusion but apparently there are twists and turns in this case...and the "most logical" conclusion...isn't the "most logical" to solve this case, does that make sense?

If we are to say that LE is going with the most logical conclusion, and Misty is the main perpretrator, that would mean that all this time, LE has been trying to build a murder case against Misty...so if that's true....why would Ron refuse to cooperate with LE? and not cooperate until he had a criminal defense attorney :waitasec:...are we to then assume that Ron is covering for Misty? I doubt it...so are we to assume that Ron was so madly in love with Misty that he would rather protect her than bring justice to his daughter's killer? I doubt that too....For Ron to be innocent, IMO, it would have to be one or the other...why refuse to cooperate with LE, if LE had their sights on someone else? it doesn't make sense....

Who was there when Haleigh went missing? Actually I don't think we know....we have Misty saying that she was there...we have GMSykes saying that Misty was there because she "saw her"....but it seems LE thinks that Misty at some point was not there....therefore, somewhere else....who do you believe? I believe LE...and I also believed LE when they said that Misty was not the only one with inconsistencies...I believed LE when they said that Misty may not be "the key" but she has some key answers...IMO, there is a difference....so if Misty is not "the key"....then who the hell is? that's the question.

Who said they came to the mh then later retracted that statement? Tommy...but who did Tommy speak with prior to going anywhere? Ron. Until we know for a fact what that conversation was about...we can't say whether or not Ron sent him over there...It's Ron's word against Tommy's...and needless to say...I don't believe neither one of them. A liar is a liar...so who's word do you believe? That's a tough choice...and just because Haleigh was Ron's daughter doesn't make him any less of a liar than the rest of them....

JMO of course

BBM

The theory I'm working on is Ron did something, like stole drugs from someone, and Misty knew about it. If Misty told Ron people came into the MH, armed, saying the drugs Ron stole belonged to them, they threatened Misty, maybe she even says they sexually assaulted her, then maybe Haleigh wandered in and they decided to take her and Ron could come up with so much money to get her back, etc.

How this works is Ron seems the kind of person who would be angry at Misty for letting Haleigh be taken, but also feel bad about what Misty went through. This would explain the 911 call, why it seems they did not look around outside for her, Ron's impatience with LE and not wanting to co-operate with them, since in his mind he kind of knows where Haleigh is and what he has to do to get her back, why TN and GGMS were so supportive of Misty, why Ron married her, why Ron seemed to be covering for her, and what info Ron had to bargain with to get a plea deal.

How this doesn't work is with something like Ron thinking this was payback for his stealing drugs, and he can get Haleigh back, is IMO his attitude should have started changing after a week or two when there was no followthrough. I thought about the threat of them coming back for Jr., but Ron didn't seem to be safeguarding against that. I thought about him having murdered someone, but IMO, that would bring the instant fear Haleigh would be murdered in retaliation, so I don't think that works, either.

So now my mind is going towards something exclusive towards Haleigh, like they were taking Haleigh permanently, and Ron just didn't much give a d***.

I also thought about this really happening, and not just a story for Ron's benefit, but then that doesn't explain Tommy's involvement.

IMO, this case is simple to the ones who know what happened. It's full of twists and turns for those of us who don't, because we have to come at it backwards.

 

[suspicious1]

BBM

The theory I'm working on is Ron did something, like stole drugs from someone, and Misty knew about it. If Misty told Ron people came into the MH, armed, saying the drugs Ron stole belonged to them, they threatened Misty, maybe she even says they sexually assaulted her, then maybe Haleigh wandered in and they decided to take her and Ron could come up with so much money to get her back, etc.

How this works is Ron seems the kind of person who would be angry at Misty for letting Haleigh be taken, but also feel bad about what Misty went through. This would explain the 911 call, why it seems they did not look around outside for her, Ron's impatience with LE and not wanting to co-operate with them, since in his mind he kind of knows where Haleigh is and what he has to do to get her back, why TN and GGMS were so supportive of Misty, why Ron married her, why Ron seemed to be covering for her, and what info Ron had to bargain with to get a plea deal.

How this doesn't work is with something like Ron thinking this was payback for his stealing drugs, and he can get Haleigh back, is IMO his attitude should have started changing after a week or two when there was no followthrough. I thought about the threat of them coming back for Jr., but Ron didn't seem to be safeguarding against that. I thought about him having murdered someone, but IMO, that would bring the instant fear Haleigh would be murdered in retaliation, so I don't think that works, either.

So now my mind is going towards something exclusive towards Haleigh, like they were taking Haleigh permanently, and Ron just didn't much give a d***.

I also thought about this really happening, and not just a story for Ron's benefit, but then that doesn't explain Tommy's involvement.

IMO, this case is simple to the ones who know what happened. It's full of twists and turns for those of us who don't, because we have to come at it backwards.

Good post, Lanie...and I like your theory....it just seems to me that if Ron did not directly harm Haleigh...he knows who did...

BBM
I absolutely agree with this....I could not have said it better...thanks Lanie.

 

[dodie20]

Misty was tired & didn't want to babysit, so that in itself, lends credence to Flo's version, that MISTY asked TN to babysit. & if that's true, it looks like she said no. That may have been the babysitting argument that Ron & Misty had. (if they even had 1). So, if this is true, it doesn't look good for Misty. If Misty didn't want to babysit, why in the heck did she agree to do it? I'm sorry, but I've noticed different posters fixate on different things, & this babysitting thing is mine. So, if she wanted TN to babysit, what were her plans? maybe she was expecting trouble & didn't want the kids around? the only trouble I can think of, is that planned gun theft, that Flo said she was in on. So, I'm back to Joe & the gun. Good grief! But I have had the suspicion that the theft may have happened early in the night, & then a later, seperate semi related something happened to Haleigh. Does that even make sense? or, Haleigh could've seen them steal the gun. Would that be enough to panic someone into silencing her? But something just dawned on me. If Misty would go to the trouble of asking TN to babysit, then that would mean she wasn't the type to leave the kids alone. But we know, from Kim P that she often did leave the kids alone. So, Misty wanted those kids gone, for a reason. hmmmm... also, I remember Misty on a jail tape, I think, saying that she did tell them that she didn't want to babysit.

 

[dodie20]

I've been thinking about Lisa's blackmail bombshell, & it reminded me of something. Right after this happened, Misty went home to her mom's. Did Ron suspect her? Did he think it would look better if she left? But a few days later, she went back. But while she was home, I wonder what she told her mother. Was this the information she was gonna blackmail her with? But some time later, I remember Misty's family turning on her, & Lisa went public with her belief that Misty & Ron were hiding something. So, this makes me wonder if the information was about Misty, or about Ron. Who was covering for whom? Because it makes sense either way.

 

[dodie20]

something else about Tommy's gun story. I know this isn't likely, but it kind of makes sense. Say he & Joe went to steal the gun, but it was gone. Tommy, having his heart set on that thing, takes Haleigh. not in an uncontrollable rage, but as a consolation. Something like this might explain how his story was close enough to warrant that search, but not close enough to arrest Joe. I've always thought that if this story is close, then Tommy actually had the Joe role.

 

[little lulu]

Misty was tired & didn't want to babysit, so that in itself, lends credence to Flo's version, that MISTY asked TN to babysit. & if that's true, it looks like she said no. That may have been the babysitting argument that Ron & Misty had. (if they even had 1). So, if this is true, it doesn't look good for Misty. If Misty didn't want to babysit, why in the heck did she agree to do it? I'm sorry, but I've noticed different posters fixate on different things, & this babysitting thing is mine. So, if she wanted TN to babysit, what were her plans? maybe she was expecting trouble & didn't want the kids around? the only trouble I can think of, is that planned gun theft, that Flo said she was in on. So, I'm back to Joe & the gun. Good grief! But I have had the suspicion that the theft may have happened early in the night, & then a later, seperate semi related something happened to Haleigh. Does that even make sense? or, Haleigh could've seen them steal the gun. Would that be enough to panic someone into silencing her? But something just dawned on me. If Misty would go to the trouble of asking TN to babysit, then that would mean she wasn't the type to leave the kids alone. But we know, from Kim P that she often did leave the kids alone. So, Misty wanted those kids gone, for a reason. hmmmm... also, I remember Misty on a jail tape, I think, saying that she did tell them that she didn't want to babysit.

This is what I think also...whatever it was, it was simple. These people are grade school drop outs...there was no brilliant plan. Misty didn't want to babysit, I think she had something else she wanted to do, maybe she left...and Haleigh woke up and found her gone, or she simply gave her something to make her go to sleep so she could do whatever was planned and then found Haleigh had OD... it's got to be simple, look at the source.

 

[Lanie]

Misty was tired & didn't want to babysit, so that in itself, lends credence to Flo's version, that MISTY asked TN to babysit. & if that's true, it looks like she said no. That may have been the babysitting argument that Ron & Misty had. (if they even had 1). So, if this is true, it doesn't look good for Misty. If Misty didn't want to babysit, why in the heck did she agree to do it? I'm sorry, but I've noticed different posters fixate on different things, & this babysitting thing is mine. So, if she wanted TN to babysit, what were her plans? maybe she was expecting trouble & didn't want the kids around? the only trouble I can think of, is that planned gun theft, that Flo said she was in on. So, I'm back to Joe & the gun. Good grief! But I have had the suspicion that the theft may have happened early in the night, & then a later, seperate semi related something happened to Haleigh. Does that even make sense? or, Haleigh could've seen them steal the gun. Would that be enough to panic someone into silencing her? But something just dawned on me. If Misty would go to the trouble of asking TN to babysit, then that would mean she wasn't the type to leave the kids alone. But we know, from Kim P that she often did leave the kids alone. So, Misty wanted those kids gone, for a reason. hmmmm... also, I remember Misty on a jail tape, I think, saying that she did tell them that she didn't want to babysit.

BBM

I don't know if TN asked Misty to babysit or not, but to answer your question, some people won't take 'no' for an answer, and TN may be one. I refer to it as a sense of entitlement. If they want you to do something, especially if you have done it for them before, it doesn't matter to them how difficult it may be for you to do this for them vs. how easy it is for them to do it for themselves, if you refuse, there is he77 to pay.

So, if Misty was trying to work things out with Ron, which seems the case seeing she was back in the house, she might have felt TN would blackball her and get Ron ticked at her if she refused to watch the kids.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This case is far from simple....IMO, there is no "simplest route" in this case...if it was I think someone would've been arrested long time ago. Apparently it's not that cut and dry....and LE knows this....

I think Misty was brought into the coverup to say that she was the last one to see Haleigh....IMO, the Cummings thought by doing so...some people would indeed come to the most "logical" conclusion....and assume..since she was the last one to see Haleigh....then she "must" be guilty of the crime against Haleigh....I mean, really, that would be the most logical conclusion but apparently there are twists and turns in this case...and the "most logical" conclusion...isn't the "most logical" to solve this case, does that make sense?

If we are to say that LE is going with the most logical conclusion, and Misty is the main perpetrator, that would mean that all this time, LE has been trying to build a murder case against Misty...so if that's true....why would Ron refuse to cooperate with LE? and not cooperate until he had a criminal defense attorney :waitasec:...are we to then assume that Ron is covering for Misty? I doubt it...so are we to assume that Ron was so madly in love with Misty that he would rather protect her than bring justice to his daughter's killer? I doubt that too....For Ron to be innocent, IMO, it would have to be one or the other...why refuse to cooperate with LE, if LE had their sights on someone else? it doesn't make sense....

Who was there when Haleigh went missing? Actually I don't think we know....we have Misty saying that she was there...we have GMSykes saying that Misty was there because she "saw her"....but it seems LE thinks that Misty at some point was not there....therefore, somewhere else....who do you believe? I believe LE...and I also believed LE when they said that Misty was not the only one with inconsistencies...I believed LE when they said that Misty may not be "the key" but she has some key answers...IMO, there is a difference....so if Misty is not "the key"....then who the hell is? that's the question.

Who said they came to the mh then later retracted that statement? Tommy...but who did Tommy speak with prior to going anywhere? Ron. Until we know for a fact what that conversation was about...we can't say whether or not Ron sent him over there...It's Ron's word against Tommy's...and needless to say...I don't believe neither one of them. A liar is a liar...so who's word do you believe? That's a tough choice...and just because Haleigh was Ron's daughter doesn't make him any less of a liar than the rest of them....

JMO of course

I do think in the end it will be the simplest route that leads to a resolution and to the actual suspects. LE knowing something and shoring it up with evidence needed is two entirely different things. Just like LE knew for certain that Jason Young was the murderer of his wife but it took them three years to put their case together to make an arrest. Imo, they knew all along who the murderer was just like they know in this case and that is why FBI Agent Smith is still asking Misty Croslin to lead them to Haleigh's body.

I believe once Shoemaker came on board in August 2009 Ron has continued to talk with LE anytime they needed him.

You are right. 'We' don't know but I fully think that LE does know who was there that night especially if the cell phone records and pings places them there.

If LE didn't think Misty was there then she couldn't be a key to solving anything. That is just plain commonsense. So, imo, they are sure she was there and she has always stated she was there and never wavered by saying she WASNT there.

IMO

 

[Lanie]

I do think in the end it will be the simplest route that leads to a resolution and to the actual suspects. LE knowing something and shoring it up with evidence needed is two entirely different things. Just like LE knew for certain that Jason Young was the murderer of his wife but it took them three years to put their case together to make an arrest. Imo, they knew all along who the murderer was just like they know in this case and that is why FBI Agent Smith is still asking Misty Croslin to lead them to Haleigh's body.

I believe once Shoemaker came on board in August 2009 Ron has continued to talk with LE anytime they needed him.

You are right. 'We' don't know but I fully think that LE does know who was there that night especially if the cell phone records and pings places them there.

If LE didn't think Misty was there then she couldn't be a key to solving anything. That is just plain commonsense. So, imo, they are sure she was there and she has always stated she was there and never wavered by saying she WASNT there.

IMO

BBM

I just wanted to add if LE really believed Misty wasn't there and had no involvement until after the fact, they don't need her to admit it to work that angle. If this were actually the case, Misty's only usefulness to this investigation would be to supply what second-hand knowledge she has picked up, and after over a year and a half of getting basically nowhere with her, even the most inept LE would have to concede they are beating a dead horse to keep going back to Misty.

 

[kant]

IMO...Misty did not cause Haleigh's death...she may have particitpated in the cover up/clean up...pressured by the Cummings..to get her "involved" and be suspected as well...

The reason I feel she did not...is...Misty has not DISPLAYED the remorse/guilt/sadness of CAUSING the death of a child she had been caring for and perhaps loving the child..(not that we have had the priviledge to observe ...anyway)

Yes, Misty came from a poor and dysfunctional family...but not a history of killers..(that we know of)

We have all seen the videos of her and Ron..and Misty's display of happiness and smiling, carefree, teen-age giddiness, ..

I have no knowledge of psychology ...but ...just observing her...and her "easy" display of emotions...to me...she does not "look" like she is carrying/holding/keeping/ displaying /harboring any sign of guilt for such a horrible deed. She had /has no problem looking at the camera lens....

I believe it was said here on this thread (Chelsea said it?) that Haleigh and Junior would beg Misty to come babysit them...and Misty would..so it sounds like there was some relationship/feelings/..to agree to do it....(and if I am correct) not get any pay for it..

I believe that such a young girl as Misty...that wanted to be with Ron..wanted to care for him and take care of the kids and be a "family"....(as much as she could)..would not want to destroy that ...

I believe that Misty "trusted" the Cummings. She wanted to get along with them, all of them...and I believe when this accident happened to Haleigh, and they wanted her to go along with their "story" and told her they would back her/support her...she did..because she "trusted" they would....and Ron asked/expected her to...and in doing so...she unknowingly became their "fall guy"...and afterwards ...Ron married her..

Misty was/is...easily influenced....

all in my own opinion and 2 cents...

Yes..there are babysitter everyday than kill the children they are caring for and they look innocent too...I would be very surprised to learn she killed Haleigh..

I agree with this assessment.

From TN and/or GGS, (insincere if need be - to serve their purposes) there may have been an element of, "You're part of our family now, Misty, and we're choosing to let you in on the goins-on and the adult proceedings" which could have appealed to Misty's need to feel grownup, included, and her need to belong. Meanwhile, the whole intent was to rope her in far enough to fill the fall-girl spot. IDK.

Plus there's the "older man" (gag) component in the teenage-girl world which, if I'm not mistaken, carries some weight.

I also got the sense that Misty wanted to see herself in the homemaker, wife, mother role. Whether she was committed to taking on the actual responsiilites of that is iffy at best, but I think she wanted to see herself that way.
IDK.

moo