General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[dodie20]

I'm throwing my theory into the hat with RC tried to get sleep that fateful day and wasn't able to because of his addiction to his pills. This is a side affect of an addict on those particular pills to my knowledge IF you are an abuser of them. I don't think he got much sleep and when Haleigh came home, he lost it and harmed her somehow as we know he's one to be free with his hands. We also know that this behavior was acceptable to the elder members of his family as it's been said by GGS herself, she heard the noise from another room when RC pushed MC around at her house but didn't actually see anything. Story of his life being brought up, I think but that's just my opinion. DCF having been called in on previous occasions further supports reporting of this behavior.

Once harm was done, the others were called in to clean up the mess and this is what has yet to be proven out. Misty has been the pawn from the start. She knows and is being a fool by keeping it hidden. IF TN and GGS really don't know what happened, why did they set out on a private foot search down by the docks after talking to GFlora rather than calling LE? For appearances, that's why. It supported their alleged suspicions of anyone other than their "boy".

Not long after RC was incarcerated, TN's question posed to her son was "do you think she'll talk"? He casually answered "I don't know" and proceeded to describe how she cried when they (LE?) brought up his name to her. He sounded flattered that she would react that way. It says to me he was assured of her alliance with him. He could have said to his mother "I hope so" but that's not the way the conversation went down. He'd rather take 15 years for the drug charges than for the more serious charges Haleigh's demise might have brought.

One of my 1st theories, involved Ron & Misty being exausted. People who sleep normally, don't have any idea what sleep deprivation can do to the mind. Without going into a lot of details, I had an episode when I was 15 years old, where I had gone a couple of days with no sleep, & on the 3rd day, I started hallucinating. & little sleep, can make you rage. It's not just tired & short tempered for some people, it's like a temporary insanity. I remember hearing of a case, where a woman shot & killed her husband because she was hungry...not starving, just hungry. She said that as soon as she'd start getting hungry, she'd start raging. Anyway, I think it's interesting that you brought up Ron's lack of sleep.

 

[justus4all]

I'm throwing my theory into the hat with RC tried to get sleep that fateful day and wasn't able to because of his addiction to his pills. This is a side affect of an addict on those particular pills to my knowledge IF you are an abuser of them. I don't think he got much sleep and when Haleigh came home, he lost it and harmed her somehow as we know he's one to be free with his hands. We also know that this behavior was acceptable to the elder members of his family as it's been said by GGS herself, she heard the noise from another room when RC pushed MC around at her house but didn't actually see anything. Story of his life being brought up, I think but that's just my opinion. DCF having been called in on previous occasions further supports reporting of this behavior.

Once harm was done, the others were called in to clean up the mess and this is what has yet to be proven out. Misty has been the pawn from the start. She knows and is being a fool by keeping it hidden. IF TN and GGS really don't know what happened, why did they set out on a private foot search down by the docks after talking to GFlora rather than calling LE? For appearances, that's why. It supported their alleged suspicions of anyone other than their "boy".

Not long after RC was incarcerated, TN's question posed to her son was "do you think she'll talk"? He casually answered "I don't know" and proceeded to describe how she cried when they (LE?) brought up his name to her. He sounded flattered that she would react that way. It says to me he was assured of her alliance with him. He could have said to his mother "I hope so" but that's not the way the conversation went down. He'd rather take 15 years for the drug charges than for the more serious charges Haleigh's demise might have brought.

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Yes...you make some very interesting points....Some things I had never considered...

But....if it WAS the fact...that Ron didn't get enough of sleep that day ..and then Haleigh comes home from school and he looses it from lack of sleep...and Haleigh is harmed and then he goes to work...how was he able to work from his shift...plus overtime...then "stop and shop"..and get back home at 3 something in the morning...????

I guess he could have taken some pills that could keep him awake all that time...I am sure there are drugs..that can keep you awake..

I agree with you about Ron...about Misty talking...An innocent man would WANT Misty to tell all she knows about that night...but it seems the Cummmings were concerned she WOULD talk...

After all....wasn't Misty supposed to be the key???....Supposedly Ron married her to "find out".....Everybody has WANTED Misty to talk...

Hopefully Misty will realize she was used by the Cummings...and tell all she knows...Perhaps this has just recently happened...

MOO...

 

[SmoothOperator]

My very first theory was Misty was not at home, door was left unlocked so she could get in, and a stranger entered while the kids were home alone.

As Ron's behavior became more and more appalling, I theorized that Misty was home and Haleigh died either from drugs (and neither could be sure who's drug) or from being hit by Ron in anger before he left for work. Tommy and Joe helped in the cover-up because they didn't know Ron was involved; they thought they were helping Misty.

As more information came out, I moved Joe out of my theory, though he remained on my list as possibly being involved.

I am now entertaining the possibility that Misty harmed Haleigh--maybe Haleigh was acting up as 5-year-olds sometimes do, wanting to play or run around instead of going to bed. Maybe Haleigh threw a tantrum. Or maybe Haleigh challenged Misty's authority, and Misty in the heat of the moment just lost it. Misty then called Tommy for help.

It is a given, IMO, Ron had much to hide from LE, which could account for his strange behavior; he did not want LE to delve into his personal life, activities, and acquaintances. TN and GMS would rally around Ron to save him, just as Tommy and some others would rally around Misty and do *whatever* to save her.

However...even if Ron had things to hide from LE, if someone he knew harmed his daughter I would not expect him to just let it go! If Ron thought Misty or Tommy had done anything with Haleigh, there is just no way he would let them get away with it, IMO. So, either Ron has some culpability for Haleigh's demise, or Misty/Tommy did this deed and Ron was none the wiser. It is entirely possible that Ron is not as smart as TN has proclaimed him to be!

It is likely that Ron has recently told the SA about his *other* activities--whatever it was that he had hoped to keep under wraps--and with that the SA decided it was time to re-interview Misty.

I do not believe Misty is telling the truth, but I believe she is inching closer. Hopefully one day Misty will come full circle.

As for Misty being questioned without her attorney present, that is entirely legal as long as she agreed to it. And even if Misty initially agreed but then at any point in the interview stated that she wanted her attorney present, questioning had to stop. So, for now we do not know if Fields was present or if Misty chose to speak without him, but I am sure Fields has advised Misty not to speak without him present. If Misty ignored Fields' advice, she may be looking for a new attorney soon.

JMO.

Sure wouldn't be first time Misty had chosen to ignore her atty advice IIRC he even for a short time resigned from her case or came quite near resigning as her atty

 

[SmoothOperator]

Originally Posted by Baznme
I'm throwing my theory into the hat with RC tried to get sleep that fateful day and wasn't able to because of his addiction to his pills. This is a side affect of an addict on those particular pills to my knowledge IF you are an abuser of them. I don't think he got much sleep and when Haleigh came home, he lost it and harmed her somehow as we know he's one to be free with his hands. We also know that this behavior was acceptable to the elder members of his family as it's been said by GGS herself, she heard the noise from another room when RC pushed MC around at her house but didn't actually see anything. Story of his life being brought up, I think but that's just my opinion. DCF having been called in on previous occasions further supports reporting of this behavior.

Once harm was done, the others were called in to clean up the mess and this is what has yet to be proven out. Misty has been the pawn from the start. She knows and is being a fool by keeping it hidden. IF TN and GGS really don't know what happened, why did they set out on a private foot search down by the docks after talking to GFlora rather than calling LE? For appearances, that's why. It supported their alleged suspicions of anyone other than their "boy".

Not long after RC was incarcerated, TN's question posed to her son was "do you think she'll talk"? He casually answered "I don't know" and proceeded to describe how she cried when they (LE?) brought up his name to her. He sounded flattered that she would react that way. It says to me he was assured of her alliance with him. He could have said to his mother "I hope so" but that's not the way the conversation went down. He'd rather take 15 years for the drug charges than for the more serious charges Haleigh's demise might have brought.

Above BBM(with regards to specifically the portion highlighted in Red).. Above it is asked why did TN and GGS go on their own footsearch near the dock area after they were given the "heads up" from Flora Hollars that LE were about to embark on a thorough search of that specific area THE QUESTION OF WHY THEY DID THIS INSTEAD OF CONTACTING LE ABOUT THE INFO?

And my question would be why would TN and GGS after receiving this info per Flora Hollars contact LE about it? Evidently LE was aware of "THEIR OWN SEARCH" that was about to begin and was being conducted by LE, themselves. Why would TN and GGS contact them to give them info about THEIR[LE] OWN SCHEDULED SEARCH?

And if TN and GGS were IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER involved with Haleigh's murder, disposal, and cover up why would they be out "searching" for Haleigh's remains? There would be no need for them to be searching at ANY TIME, NOR searching ANY WHERE for
remains. Would NOT be NECESSARY because they would have knowledge of where Haleigh's remains were all along..

To meeeeee, or IMO neither of the above two particular issues would be relevant if going by the theory that these two were somehow involved, if even by just knowledge after the fact, it still does not make sense that TN and GGS would be engaging in these certain actions and certainly would not make sense for them to relay info per Hollars in complete circulative direction of relaying that info back to LE... jmo

 

[1Chump]

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Yes...you make some very interesting points....Some things I had never considered...

But....if it WAS the fact...that Ron didn't get enough of sleep that day ..and then Haleigh comes home from school and he looses it from lack of sleep...and Haleigh is harmed and then he goes to work...how was he able to work from his shift...plus overtime...then "stop and shop"..and get back home at 3 something in the morning...????

I guess he could have taken some pills that could keep him awake all that time...I am sure there are drugs..that can keep you awake..

I agree with you about Ron...about Misty talking...An innocent man would WANT Misty to tell all she knows about that night...but it seems the Cummmings were concerned she WOULD talk...

After all....wasn't Misty supposed to be the key???....Supposedly Ron married her to "find out".....Everybody has WANTED Misty to talk...

Hopefully Misty will realize she was used by the Cummings...and tell all she knows...Perhaps this has just recently happened...

MOO...

I'm assuming that the fear of getting caught would cause massive adrenaline. I'm also assuming that adrenaline did not go away until after cops arrived and TN could take over.

IMO, that was when Ron could calm down because his part was over. He did not have the fear of where was his daughter to keep the adrenaline flowing. He just had to be sad.

 

[dodie20]

something about Misty's new story bothers me. Where was Joe during all of this? Misty had been gone for a few days, & Joe was scheduled to leave, so I'm pretty sure that she & Tommy would want to hang with him. maybe even throw him a going away party. Yeah, Ron was supposedly mad at him, but Misty had plenty of reason to still be mad at Ron, & I doubt she sided against family. Flo said there was a plot to steal a gun & Misty was in on it. That has the ring of truth, but where does it fit in? Did they steal a gun that night? & then went & partied? too obvious. Tommy's story sounds semi true until the taking Haleigh as a substitute part. I just can't see Misty at the trailer, Tommy at home cooking for his kids, & Joe having a quiet last night in town with Timmy & Chelsea...while she filled out insurance papers. not enough drama for these people. I would guess that there was a party, but would Chelsea & Lindsey have gone? What about all of the kids? maybe they all made a habit out of leaving them alone? ughhh...if there was a party at Hank's, then Ron would've figured it out, & that may be why he called there. Just because Tommy said Misty wasn't there, doesn't mean she wasn't. She obviously didn't want to talk to Ron, & had probably left the kids at the trailer. & then we have Jr's account of a black man or a man in black, with squeaky shoes, taking Haleigh. & the bouncing couch. No way was Ron the man in black. Jr would know his dad. Maybe after Misty argued with Ron, she called Joe or Tommy to get her & they went to Hank's. Maybe after Ron's call, Tommy left. Would he have gone back to Hank's? if he had left in someone else's car, he would. would he have had Haleigh with him? & Misty & Joe helped him? IDK about that one. Where does Timmy fit in? just thinking out loud here, trying to put these stories together. But, I most definantly think Haleigh was put in that dumpster, while Tommy ran home to get the rope, & whatever else he needed. I get an image of Tommy going back to Hank's, but making Misty stay in the house. But after getting home, & finding Haleigh gone, she'd know. So, when she was doing her screaming & crying thing, where was Jr? Had enough hours passed since Haleigh was taken, that he had gone into a deep sleep? Haleigh had school, so why wasn't she in her own room, while Jr was plopped in front of the tv in Ron's room? I think the guy should've noticed an awake Jr. It would've been a a more believable lie to say that Haleigh was taken from her own room. Them being in the same room, (so Jr wouldn't get scared?), makes me pretty sure that Misty was gone. but Ron did say that the beds hadn't been slept in, & I guess that would include kids, but if she took the kids, what would explain those dumpster hits? Because if something happened at the party, (OD, bash with a board), why take her back to the trailer? maybe because she was injured or not quite dead, but when Misty realized that she was gone, called Tommy/Timmy & they got her, did CPR, then put her in the dumpster. So, I'm right back where I started. Tommy or Misty. arghhh on those 2. But I have to admit, that the Misty did it part, flowed pretty easily, & the Tommy stuff felt convoluted. But if Misty did it, why the crazy stories from Tommy? Regardless of who did what, Joe sure has been quiet, & I wish someone would make him talk.

 

[luvthesleuths]

Misty and Ron were still in a big fight from her party weekend with WBG.

Misty gets sucked into babysitting because there is no one else to do it while ron is at work. her and Ron continue to fight. Ron is awful to her of course.

Haleigh is given meds to knock her out cause Misty is so tired. Misty/Ron continue the fight on the phone... Ron most likely ranting that she isn't even good enough to watch his kids.....Misty has had enough tells Ron she is leaving and for him to deal with his own kids and own problems himself.

Misty goes to her parents house because they are not there because of Hank Srs accident.

Perhaps one more final call from Ron to Misty and she tells him she is done, to leave her alone and to call someone in to take over for the babysitting cause she left and is done with it all. Misty turns her phone off at this point and crashes out at her parents house fed up with it all.

Ron calls Tommy to tell him to go check on his kids (TC lived close) cause he doesn't believe misty actually left. He goes over there and Misty is gone (nobody was home) but the kids are there and finds Haleigh in some kind of distress or already dead from drugs given to her to knock her out.

Tommy trying to help his sister puts Haleigh out in the trash bin and goes to find Misty at her parents to tell her what has happened and that she will get in big trouble for leaving those kids alone (eventho Ron has most likely done it plenty) this time something went wrong.

Someone comes and gets Haleigh from the garbage bin (could have been Ron, could have been teresa or GGS) and buries her somewhere else.

Tommy convinces Misty they will all go down for this and she has to get back on board to save her own skin, and the rest of them. She goes back to Rons and stages the scene with Tommy. Teresa might have been notified sometime in between and knew what was coming once ron got home from work and that is why she was prepared with picture in hand when she got there.

I always go back to the jail tapes where Misty seems to have this deep underlying anger for Tommy when she speaks to her dad. "Get ME out of jail first, use minutes to call me not tommy" etc.

Maybe she resents Tommy for going over there at Rons urging that night, cause if he would have just stayed away and not found what he did when he got there, none of them would be invlolved.

Tommy maybe wanted to come clean but needed his sister to back up his story, that is why the rat in the mailbox happened, and the fight at Ron's grandmothers, the croslins were trying to get Misty away from Ron so she could get out from under the pressure of sticking with the story the Cummings devised.

They all go down for the drug bust and realize coming clean will get them into more trouble and realize doing the time for the drugs is better than getting pinned for murder.

There you have it, my latest theory in this nightmare.

 

[Baznme]

Above BBM(with regards to specifically the portion highlighted in Red).. Above it is asked why did TN and GGS go on their own footsearch near the dock area after they were given the "heads up" from Flora Hollars that LE were about to embark on a thorough search of that specific area THE QUESTION OF WHY THEY DID THIS INSTEAD OF CONTACTING LE ABOUT THE INFO?

And my question would be why would TN and GGS after receiving this info per Flora Hollars contact LE about it? Evidently LE was aware of "THEIR OWN SEARCH" that was about to begin and was being conducted by LE, themselves. Why would TN and GGS contact them to give them info about THEIR[LE] OWN SCHEDULED SEARCH?

And if TN and GGS were IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER involved with Haleigh's murder, disposal, and cover up why would they be out "searching" for Haleigh's remains? There would be no need for them to be searching at ANY TIME, NOR searching ANY WHERE for
remains. Would NOT be NECESSARY because they would have knowledge of where Haleigh's remains were all along..

To meeeeee, or IMO neither of the above two particular issues would be relevant if going by the theory that these two were somehow involved, if even by just knowledge after the fact, it still does not make sense that TN and GGS would be engaging in these certain actions and certainly would not make sense for them to relay info per Hollars in complete circulative direction of relaying that info back to LE... jmo

If this were my grandaughter, there is no question I would have been on the phone with LE with every smidgeon of information I could get my hands on before trampling through a wooded area where evidence might be found without contaminating it myself. That's why I call their reaction suspicious. It was for appearances only and BTW, I never said they were involved other than being protective of anything that may implicate RC.

 

[Baznme]

bolded by me...

Yes...you make some very interesting points....Some things I had never considered...

But....if it WAS the fact...that Ron didn't get enough of sleep that day ..and then Haleigh comes home from school and he looses it from lack of sleep...and Haleigh is harmed and then he goes to work...how was he able to work from his shift...plus overtime...then "stop and shop"..and get back home at 3 something in the morning...????

I guess he could have taken some pills that could keep him awake all that time...I am sure there are drugs..that can keep you awake..

I agree with you about Ron...about Misty talking...An innocent man would WANT Misty to tell all she knows about that night...but it seems the Cummmings were concerned she WOULD talk...

After all....wasn't Misty supposed to be the key???....Supposedly Ron married her to "find out".....Everybody has WANTED Misty to talk...

Hopefully Misty will realize she was used by the Cummings...and tell all she knows...Perhaps this has just recently happened...

MOO...

BBM - That's the $35,000 dollar question. How did he schedule all that in those hours? Or did he? We don't know the answers to that question but I do know what the affects of the oxy's that he was taking does to a person over an extended period of time. If he was sick from a lack of it, it's amazing at the behavior that can come about in someone that would be good natured otherwise. If RC wanted to "find out", he didn't have to marry her, leave town on a honeymoon if he were truly concerned about where his daughter was. Plain and simple to me. He already knew where she was. JMO

 

[Concerned Papa]

If this were my grandaughter, there is no question I would have been on the phone with LE with every smidgeon of information I could get my hands on before trampling through a wooded area where evidence might be found without contaminating it myself. That's why I call their reaction suspicious. It was for appearances only and BTW, I never said they were involved other than being protective of anything that may implicate RC.

I'm not sure what their intentions were, but when initially asked by NG what she thought about the new search, GGM nonchalantly said she "supposed" LE had some kind of tip and that she had gone down there early that morning trying to find out but they wouldn't tell her anything.

THEN Flo Hollars spoke up saying it was HER that had called GGM and told her what was going on.

GGM was then forced to come forward with the info she had previously not said a word about. She and Teresa had spent ALL afternoon the day before the search was started by LE, "looking around".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-XNMMJ7U4

Not only does their search seem curious as heck, but why did GGM first tell the story to NG with ZERO mention of what she and Teresa had done?

 

[dodie20]

Misty and Ron were still in a big fight from her party weekend with WBG.

Misty gets sucked into babysitting because there is no one else to do it while ron is at work. her and Ron continue to fight. Ron is awful to her of course.

Haleigh is given meds to knock her out cause Misty is so tired. Misty/Ron continue the fight on the phone... Ron most likely ranting that she isn't even good enough to watch his kids.....Misty has had enough tells Ron she is leaving and for him to deal with his own kids and own problems himself.

Misty goes to her parents house because they are not there because of Hank Srs accident.

Perhaps one more final call from Ron to Misty and she tells him she is done, to leave her alone and to call someone in to take over for the babysitting cause she left and is done with it all. Misty turns her phone off at this point and crashes out at her parents house fed up with it all.

Ron calls Tommy to tell him to go check on his kids (TC lived close) cause he doesn't believe misty actually left. He goes over there and Misty is gone (nobody was home) but the kids are there and finds Haleigh in some kind of distress or already dead from drugs given to her to knock her out.

Tommy trying to help his sister puts Haleigh out in the trash bin and goes to find Misty at her parents to tell her what has happened and that she will get in big trouble for leaving those kids alone (eventho Ron has most likely done it plenty) this time something went wrong.

Someone comes and gets Haleigh from the garbage bin (could have been Ron, could have been teresa or GGS) and buries her somewhere else.

Tommy convinces Misty they will all go down for this and she has to get back on board to save her own skin, and the rest of them. She goes back to Rons and stages the scene with Tommy. Teresa might have been notified sometime in between and knew what was coming once ron got home from work and that is why she was prepared with picture in hand when she got there.

I always go back to the jail tapes where Misty seems to have this deep underlying anger for Tommy when she speaks to her dad. "Get ME out of jail first, use minutes to call me not tommy" etc.

Maybe she resents Tommy for going over there at Rons urging that night, cause if he would have just stayed away and not found what he did when he got there, none of them would be invlolved.

Tommy maybe wanted to come clean but needed his sister to back up his story, that is why the rat in the mailbox happened, and the fight at Ron's grandmothers, the croslins were trying to get Misty away from Ron so she could get out from under the pressure of sticking with the story the Cummings devised.

They all go down for the drug bust and realize coming clean will get them into more trouble and realize doing the time for the drugs is better than getting pinned for murder.

There you have it, my latest theory in this nightmare.

This theory's pretty good & explains why Misty left the kids alone, & how everybody shares culpability. But, my problem with it is...in real life Tommy's in the biggest jam, so I think he did more. I also noticed the anger Misty voiced for Tommy. What a lot of people interpreted as a selfish me 1st attitude, I thought might be her blaming him for getting her in this mess. But, I could've detected the anger because I suspected Tommy...so I'm not sure.

 

[dodie20]

Ron screaming at Hank has me thinking. How did he go from publicly supporting Misty, (not that long ago), & thinking at the most, she was coerced out of fear, to yelling that someone needs to do to Hank, what Misty did to Haleigh? ok...did he learn something while in jail, lol? How over the top & dramatic Ron is. & looking really guilty. I'm trying to keep an open mind, & this is just a theory, that I want to try on. Ron gets home a little earlier than expected, finds Misty gone, & in a rage, kills Haleigh. She could've wet his bed, been whining about cramps, or maybe he found that he really had been doublecrossed & robbed. He takes Haleigh, discards her, does his alibi drive thing, picks up smokes, drives like a cracker, ignores Misty's calls...why not? the dumb b#&*% had ignored his! He gets home, Misty asks him if he has Haleigh, he says no, then the clean up, cover up starts. Misty really didn't know because she was gone, hence, (I hate that Patsy Ramsey word), the reason for Ron's, TN's, etc...absolute insistance that she was home. If Misty admitted to being gone, then that would open the door to anybody being culpable...including Ron.This would also explain the changing stories of Misty being asleep, not asleep, when Ron got home. the record of her unanswered calls to him. Ron, at some point gets a hold of Tommy & says, ' I think you killed my kid, while you were robbing me.' Well, this scares the bejesus out of him Joe & Timmy, but instead of going to LE & fessing up to their crimes, they just let things slide, hoping for a die down. In the meantime, Ron lays the guilt trip on Misty, blames her, (& it works, because she set up the gun theft), but harbors her & marrys her to keep her quiet, & then sends Tommy the dead rat, to keep him from ratting out the theft. In jail, Tommy claimed to have found Misty gone...his 1st step to getting the truth to rolling. During this time, Ron is feeding Misty all kinds of crap. He even tells her that a a druggie tells him that Joe, (& maybe Tommy), did do it, & told him how & showed him the dump site. He takes Misty there. Fast forward to jail. Ron's being treated like a prince, & Misty & Tommy scared the truth won't be believed, (because they don't know the stinking truth), somehow get together & rework Ron's Joe story. But they know they need a witness to be believed, so Tommy being the more credible, claims to have seen it all. & that's where we stand right now. Whew!!! Go ahead, poke holes, but Ron screaming at Hank, (too over the top), & the nagging idea that actually being robbed, would enrage Ron, has me pondering. one more thing, then I'm done...this theory would explain why nobody has really been snitching. (except for what seems like a lie, because Joe hasn't been arrested, & whatever complete turnaround tales Ron is blabbing about Misty). Not only would only 1 person know the full truth, (Ron), but the others are covering their own crimes & whatever they entailed. maybe they were even coerced into cleaning up & covering up.

I've got no edit button, so I'm gonna quote myself here. Sorry guys. Even though I've been suspecting Tommy like crazy, & Misty's now implicating him, I'm not 100% ready to give up my Ron theory. Nobody acts that guilty, without a reason. Say, for some crazy reason, Tommy's lies have spiraled out of control, but he's not guilty. What if he made up that story, because he wanted out of jail, & because he doesn't like Joe. I can't really imagine that mind set, but, Hey, I don't know the guy. I've been thinking about that gun, LE is rumored to have. Maybe Joe really did steal it, & HE's the one who handed it over? He's been awfully quiet, & I almost don't believe that LE isn't putting the screws to him. Maybe they told him if he didn't cough up the gun, he was gonna go down with Tommy & Misty. I know he has a lawyer, but if LE had a proposition, he'd listen. But, even if that's true, what would it mean to this case?

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Read about this today and figured I would share it here in the theory thread since there is so much mention of guns in the Haleigh Case, it could be possible that she got shot during a fight.

DAVIE, Fla. (AP) - A 9-year-old girl inside a minivan was shot in the head and killed in what detectives say was the violent culmination of a domestic dispute.
Updated: Monday, 04 Oct 2010, 7:18 AM EDT
"snip"
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/state_news/100410-child-shot-killed

 

[1Chump]

This theory's pretty good & explains why Misty left the kids alone, & how everybody shares culpability. But, my problem with it is...in real life Tommy's in the biggest jam, so I think he did more. I also noticed the anger Misty voiced for Tommy. What a lot of people interpreted as a selfish me 1st attitude, I thought might be her blaming him for getting her in this mess. But, I could've detected the anger because I suspected Tommy...so I'm not sure.

IMO, I think LE tricked Tommy into saying he went by the MH at 10 pm. I think they lied and told him they had a witness who could put him there at 10 pm and if he just admitted it, they would let him out on bail. So Tommy said it to gt out. Once Tommy was out, he immediately retracted the time.

I think Misty's anger at Tommy was for failing for LE's trick and admitting to anything. Misty sees Tommy as the person who "cracked" and gave LE the ammo to pressure her.

IMO, LE is now lying to Misty about what Tommy has said about her. Misty knows it is lies but also knows she does not have the info LE needs/wants to get out from under the pressue.

 

[1Chump]

I'm not sure what their intentions were, but when initially asked by NG what she thought about the new search, GGM nonchalantly said she "supposed" LE had some kind of tip and that she had gone down there early that morning trying to find out but they wouldn't tell her anything.

THEN Flo Hollars spoke up saying it was HER that had called GGM and told her what was going on.

GGM was then forced to come forward with the info she had previously not said a word about. She and Teresa had spent ALL afternoon the day before the search was started by LE, "looking around".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-XNMMJ7U4

Not only does their search seem curious as heck, but why did GGM first tell the story to NG with ZERO mention of what she and Teresa had done?[/QUOTE]

Have you noticed that GGma Sykes says more when she gets angry? If Gma Flo had not made her angry, we would never know.

IMO, I think Ron is the only one who has all the information of what all was covered up. I think Sykes and TN handled the Haleigh cover-up while the Croslin bunch handled drugs/guns/illegal stuff cover up.

IMO, Sykes and TN went searching because they were afraid one of the Croslins left evidence of their part of the cover-up. Since they have no idea what exactly the Croslins covered-up or what they did with it, they had to search to try to protect Ron.

 

[justus4all]

I'm not sure what their intentions were, but when initially asked by NG what she thought about the new search, GGM nonchalantly said she "supposed" LE had some kind of tip and that she had gone down there early that morning trying to find out but they wouldn't tell her anything.

THEN Flo Hollars spoke up saying it was HER that had called GGM and told her what was going on.

GGM was then forced to come forward with the info she had previously not said a word about. She and Teresa had spent ALL afternoon the day before the search was started by LE, "looking around".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-XNMMJ7U4

Not only does their search seem curious as heck, but why did GGM first tell the story to NG with ZERO mention of what she and Teresa had done?[/QUOTE]

Have you noticed that GGma Sykes says more when she gets angry? If Gma Flo had not made her angry, we would never know.

IMO, I think Ron is the only one who has all the information of what all was covered up. I think Sykes and TN handled the Haleigh cover-up while the Croslin bunch handled drugs/guns/illegal stuff cover up.

IMO, Sykes and TN went searching because they were afraid one of the Croslins left evidence of their part of the cover-up. Since they have no idea what exactly the Croslins covered-up or what they did with it, they had to search to try to protect Ron.

Great theory.....and very believeable....

Yes....probably Ron is the one with all the information..of the cover ups..

Which makes me wonder now....If the theory is...TN and Sykes handled the Haleigh cover up portion....WHO do you suppose...put Haleigh in the dumpster...??? OR...retrieved her?????

Ron????

The Cummings women..would ...probably search areas....to make sure evidence was not discovered....to protect Ron...

moo

 

[suspicious1]

I'm not sure what their intentions were, but when initially asked by NG what she thought about the new search, GGM nonchalantly said she "supposed" LE had some kind of tip and that she had gone down there early that morning trying to find out but they wouldn't tell her anything.

THEN Flo Hollars spoke up saying it was HER that had called GGM and told her what was going on.

GGM was then forced to come forward with the info she had previously not said a word about. She and Teresa had spent ALL afternoon the day before the search was started by LE, "looking around".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-XNMMJ7U4

Not only does their search seem curious as heck, but why did GGM first tell the story to NG with ZERO mention of what she and Teresa had done?[/QUOTE]

Have you noticed that GGma Sykes says more when she gets angry? If Gma Flo had not made her angry, we would never know.

IMO, I think Ron is the only one who has all the information of what all was covered up. I think Sykes and TN handled the Haleigh cover-up while the Croslin bunch handled drugs/guns/illegal stuff cover up.

IMO, Sykes and TN went searching because they were afraid one of the Croslins left evidence of their part of the cover-up. Since they have no idea what exactly the Croslins covered-up or what they did with it, they had to search to try to protect Ron.

BBM
I can believe this...this has crossed my mind a few times...I felt they were down there for a reason and it was not to find Haleigh.

 

[little lulu]

I've had many theories these past 20 months. I've read and read, agreed with some, totally disagreed with others...wish I had written my thoughts down and posted here instead of just reading.
But...here is my two cents worth..what I think happened.

Misty would throw Tommy or anyone under a bus to save herself, along with Tommy doing the same. I don't think either one would go to jail for the other...really.
So...these two are in it together, both equally involved.

Now...what were they doing that was so terrible that maybe Haleigh saw?? What happened to her (if )she said...I'm going to tell my Dad?
Iv'e gone round and round in my mind until I get up and walk away for a while, but I always come back to these two...whatever they were doing...they were doing together..and it's caused Haleigh to die...I'm glad they are in jail...and I cringe at saying this, but from the way it looks it may be the only justice Haleigh will get.

I'm glad too that Ron is in jail, I feel he is equally responsible for leaving Haleigh and Junior in the hands of teen~aged drug user...coming off of a weekend party of drugs and sex, a very, very bad decision that cost Haleigh her life.

this is just my own thoughts...

 

[dodie20]

I've had many theories these past 20 months. I've read and read, agreed with some, totally disagreed with others...wish I had written my thoughts down and posted here instead of just reading.
But...here is my two cents worth..what I think happened.

Misty would throw Tommy or anyone under a bus to save herself, along with Tommy doing the same. I don't think either one would go to jail for the other...really.
So...these two are in it together, both equally involved.

Now...what were they doing that was so terrible that maybe Haleigh saw?? What happened to her (if )she said...I'm going to tell my Dad?
Iv'e gone round and round in my mind until I get up and walk away for a while, but I always come back to these two...whatever they were doing...they were doing together..and it's caused Haleigh to die...I'm glad they are in jail...and I cringe at saying this, but from the way it looks it may be the only justice Haleigh will get.

I'm glad too that Ron is in jail, I feel he is equally responsible for leaving Haleigh and Junior in the hands of teen~aged drug user...coming off of a weekend party of drugs and sex, a very, very bad decision that cost Haleigh her life.

this is just my own thoughts...

I've thought about this, because these 2 seem to share a secret, that is more harmful to Tommy than it is Misty. But I just don't know about this. Even if Haleigh saw something, I'm not sure Misty would've reacted with violence. She didn't seem to have a problem getting with WBG, & I don't think she would've had a problem moving on. just called Haleigh a liar, & said, 'oh well, if you don't believe me, I'm outta here'. Surely she would've realized that murdering Haleigh wasn't a solution. But, Tommy is a different story. He had a wife & kids, & if he was the aggressor, he might've panicked, & then forced Misty to keep quiet, somehow. maybe a knife to her throat, added to the trauma of the murder, would've been enough? IDK, about this. Misty did accuse him of messing with her, pointed her finger at him early on, & IMO, she can't stand him. He has admitted to being as high as a kite, & maybe that was enough to make him rage on that household. But if something like this happened, I can't see Misty as a willing participant. the odds of them both being in on all of it, seem too slim. Also, on the 911, Misty didn't strike me as particularly high...surely nowhere near as high as Tommy claims to have been. If this theory is close, we're missing something key. & I don't know about you, but writing all of this, made me feel really nervous...like it might be close to the truth?

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I've said before that I think that it is possible that Haleigh was molested. She might have threatened to tell her dad, which could have triggered a killing. Really, the only things that could explain Haleigh's murder would be the need to cover up some sort of abuse or the desire to kill for its own sake, either out of anger or for some kind of psychopathic pleasure.

I could imagine in the beginning that someone would stage an abduction to cover an accidental death by overdose, but once Misty and Tommy admitted they were present, what would be the point of denying an accidental death? Then they could be charged with some kind of failure to report a death, obstruction, or child neglect--but not murder or the death penalty. It's not like everyone doesn't know by now that there were drugs in the house and the whole bunch is in prison for drug trafficking anyway. Once they admitted being present, then, and had no reason to cover up the whole drug involvement, then we are left with abuse that went too far or some intentional act of evil. I keep thinking about the "bouncing couch" and Misty's early reports that she had been molested by family members. Her own tale of molestation may or may not be true, but it's possible that she had the right action but the wrong victim.