George Floyd death / Derek Chauvin trial - Sidebar week 1

[Rocky1]

I know it's a question in regards to whether Floyd was addressing his Mother or Girlfriend when he was on the ground saying "Mama"....
If you listen, he says "Mama.... tell my kids I love them"
IMO, he was addressing his Girlfriend, because his Mother had already passed away, and would have not been able to tell his kids that.

 

[MsBetsy]

If Floyd and Chauvin knew each other so well, it makes me wonder why Floyd called him "Officer" instead of "Derek" or Chauvin."
I don't recall Chauvin calling him "George" or "Floyd" while watching the video either.

We don't know if they knew each other well. The owner of the nightclub said she was not sure if Chauvin knew Floyd. Floyd was a bouncer inside the club and Chauvin worked security outside. I don't think Floyd worked there for nearly as long as Chauvin did. Imo

 

[turaj]

If Floyd and Chauvin knew each other so well, it makes me wonder why Floyd called him "Officer" instead of "Derek" or Chauvin."
I don't recall Chauvin calling him "George" or "Floyd" while watching the video either.

I don't ever recall reading or seeing anything that implied they knew each other "well". I believe their paths have crossed with working at some local clubs.

 

[UKslueth2018]

Is David Pinney on the witness lists?


"Is there any doubt in your mind that Derek Chauvin knew George Floyd?" CBS News asked Pinney. "No. He knew him," Pinney said.

"How well did he know him?" CBS News asked. "I would say pretty well," Pinney replied.

"I knew George on a work basis," he said. "We were pretty close. When it came to our security positions, he was in charge and I worked directly below him as a security adviser."

"He (George) was good at talking with people and establishing himself. He never had to put his hands on anybody. Usually his presence would stop people from having any type of competition with one another."

Pinney also described working with both men and said Floyd didn't want to interact with Chauvin because of Chauvin's aggressive behavior.

"…..he always showed aggression to, you know, George. So George, to keep it professional, George had me intervene and – interface with him instead of himself, just to be – just to get away from the conflict and keep it professional."

Pinney also said: "I can relate to George, how he felt. And I think that's what makes that personal bond between him and I, dealing with Derek."

Man who claimed George Floyd and Derek Chauvin "bumped heads" changes story - CBS News

Hello

I so happen to have that list open from the other day (so lazy closing tabs lol) and yes he is!!

David Abedon Pinney
San Diego
Page 11 of 14 on my pdf list

So that will be interesting... xx

 

[MsBetsy]

Got it.



Yes, 17 years is a long time to put up with Chauvin’s aggressive, hair-trigger behavior toward her customers that she describes. If she ends up being called as a witness, that’s something she needs to answer.

It seems that Chauvin was overly aggressive both as a police officer and security guard for years and was used to getting away with it. That's probably why he was so quick to use excessive force with Floyd.

 

[Lilibet]

Is David Pinney on the witness lists?


"Is there any doubt in your mind that Derek Chauvin knew George Floyd?" CBS News asked Pinney. "No. He knew him," Pinney said.

"How well did he know him?" CBS News asked. "I would say pretty well," Pinney replied.

"I knew George on a work basis," he said. "We were pretty close. When it came to our security positions, he was in charge and I worked directly below him as a security adviser."

"He (George) was good at talking with people and establishing himself. He never had to put his hands on anybody. Usually his presence would stop people from having any type of competition with one another."

Pinney also described working with both men and said Floyd didn't want to interact with Chauvin because of Chauvin's aggressive behavior.

"…..he always showed aggression to, you know, George. So George, to keep it professional, George had me intervene and – interface with him instead of himself, just to be – just to get away from the conflict and keep it professional."

Pinney also said: "I can relate to George, how he felt. And I think that's what makes that personal bond between him and I, dealing with Derek."

Man who claimed George Floyd and Derek Chauvin "bumped heads" changes story - CBS News

So I wonder how this detailed account by Pinney of Chauvin and Floyd knowing each other ended up walked back as a mistake, as pointed out in this cited article. Which is true? If he testifies it could get interesting.
Man who claimed George Floyd and Derek Chauvin "bumped heads" changes story - CBS News

Man who claimed George Floyd and Derek Chauvin "bumped heads" changes story
Editor's Note: This story and headline have been updated to reflect a new account from David Pinney, who previously said he worked with George Floyd and Derek Chauvin.

A man who worked at the same club with George Floyd and Derek Chauvin – and previously told CBS News the two had "bumped heads" – changed his story Wednesday, saying he had mistaken Floyd for another unnamed African-American employee.
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On Wednesday, Pinney told CBS News in an email he had confused Floyd with someone else: "There has been a mix up between George and another fellow co-worker," he wrote.

The club's former owner, Maya Santamaria, had connected Pinney with CBS News. "She specifically said she was unable to give detail information about George because she did not have a close relationship with him as I did," Pinney said in the email. He said that led to his mistake.

"I apologize for not doing my due diligence and placing you in a very uncomfortable situation," he wrote.
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[Gibbo214]

So I wonder how this detailed account by Pinney of Chauvin and Floyd knowing each other ended up walked back as a mistake, as pointed out in this cited article. Which is true? If he testifies it could get interesting.
Man who claimed George Floyd and Derek Chauvin "bumped heads" changes story - CBS News

Man who claimed George Floyd and Derek Chauvin "bumped heads" changes story
Editor's Note: This story and headline have been updated to reflect a new account from David Pinney, who previously said he worked with George Floyd and Derek Chauvin.

A man who worked at the same club with George Floyd and Derek Chauvin – and previously told CBS News the two had "bumped heads" – changed his story Wednesday, saying he had mistaken Floyd for another unnamed African-American employee.
<snip>
On Wednesday, Pinney told CBS News in an email he had confused Floyd with someone else: "There has been a mix up between George and another fellow co-worker," he wrote.

The club's former owner, Maya Santamaria, had connected Pinney with CBS News. "She specifically said she was unable to give detail information about George because she did not have a close relationship with him as I did," Pinney said in the email. He said that led to his mistake.

"I apologize for not doing my due diligence and placing you in a very uncomfortable situation," he wrote.
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I think that it would be difficult to mistake someone else for George.

 

[Lilibet]

It seems that Chauvin was overly aggressive both as a police officer and security guard for years and was used to getting away with it. That's probably why he was so quick to use excessive force with Floyd.

Exactly. No concern about consequences for police brutality in Minneapolis.

 

[Cool Cats]

Exactly. No concern about consequences for police brutality in Minneapolis.

Why did he do it (press neck) for so long?

Showing off to his rookies he was mentoring?

Note hands on hip and looking at crowd like he is posing for the general public.

He wasn't doing it to subdue him, as he told a witness, there is some other reason we will never know...Humm.....

(He was already subdued)

 

[turaj]

If Floyd and Chauvin knew each other so well, it makes me wonder why Floyd called him "Officer" instead of "Derek" or Chauvin."
I don't recall Chauvin calling him "George" or "Floyd" while watching the video either.

I don't ever recall reading or seeing anything that implied they knew each other "well". I believe their paths have crossed with working at some local clubs.

 

[Lilibet]

I think that it would be difficult to mistake someone else for George.

Yes, this “mistaken identity” story just doesn’t ring true after Pinney’s detailed story about Chauvin and Floyd as well as his own relationship with Floyd. Floyd is unmistakable. Was the email to CBS the only time he retracted the story or did he submit to another interview? He’s in for a rough ride if he testifies IMO.

 

[Lilibet]

I don't ever recall reading or seeing anything that implied they knew each other "well". I believe their paths have crossed with working at some local clubs.

It was said and then retracted...

David Pinney told CBS News he worked at the same club where Chauvin and Floyd were employed to provide part-time security. Chauvin is the former police officer who is charged in Floyd's death.

In an interview with CBS News, parts of which aired Tuesday, Pinney had described a tense relationship between Chauvin and a man who he said was Floyd, and said that the two knew each other "pretty well."
BBM

Man who claimed George Floyd and Derek Chauvin "bumped heads" changes story - CBS News

 

[Gibbo214]

Why did he do it (press neck) for so long?

Showing off to his rookies he was mentoring?

Note hands on hip and looking at crowd like he is posing for the general public.

He wasn't doing it to subdue him, as he told a witness, there is some other reason we will never know...Humm.....

(He was already subdued)

Yes. How long was he going to keep it up?

 

[Gibbo214]

Yes, this “mistaken identity” story just doesn’t ring true after Pinney’s detailed story about Chauvin and Floyd as well as his own relationship with Floyd. Floyd is unmistakable. Was the email to CBS the only time he retracted the story or did he submit to another interview? He’s in for a rough ride if he testifies IMO.

I would say that he has been threatened with firing.

 

[Rocky1]

I don't ever recall reading or seeing anything that implied they knew each other "well". I believe their paths have crossed with working at some local clubs.

My post was in response to this.
Derek Chauvin knew George Floyd "pretty well" and was "afraid" of black people, nightclub coworkers say

 

[Lilibet]

Why did he do it (press neck) for so long?

Showing off to his rookies he was mentoring?

Note hands on hip and looking at crowd like he is posing for the general public.

He wasn't doing it to subdue him, as he told a witness, there is some other reason we will never know...Humm.....

(He was already subdued)

I’m a big fan of the word “Hubris” to explain people like Chauvin...

Hubris (/ˈhjuːbrɪs/, from ancient Greek ὕβρις) describes a personality quality of extreme or foolish pride or dangerous overconfidence,[1] often in combination with (or synonymous with) arrogance.[2] The term "arrogance" comes from the Latin adrogare, meaning to feel that one has a right to demand certain attitudes and behaviors from other people. To "arrogate" means "to claim or seize without justification.... to make undue claims to having",[3] or "to claim or seize without right... to ascribe or attribute without reason".[4]

Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence, accomplishments or capabilities

Hubris - Wikipedia

 

[Rocky1]

Why did he do it (press neck) for so long?

Showing off to his rookies he was mentoring?

Note hands on hip and looking at crowd like he is posing for the general public.

He wasn't doing it to subdue him, as he told a witness, there is some other reason we will never know...Humm.....

(He was already subdued)

I couldn't agree with you more.
IMO, Chauvin was the veteran, and he was going to show the rookies how it's done around here. How he's the boss and the one in charge. Then once the crowd started in, he doubled down.

 

[Lilibet]

I would say that he has been threatened with firing.

Firing or physical harm. After his CBS interview I wouldn’t want to be pulled over for a traffic stop if I were him.
JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I couldn't agree with you more.
IMO, Chauvin was the veteran, and he was going to show the rookies how it's done around here. How he's the boss and the one in charge. Then once the crowd started in, he doubled down.

Oh I get it!

The crowd fed into his "showing the rookies I'm the boss" and showing them how a "tough guy gets it done."

He then pivots and plays to the crowd in what looks to me like posing in a nonchalant manner like it's a piece of cake to be a macho tough dude.

Sure, record me on your phones, I'll look like a total bad *advertiser censored** I will be the tough cop who gets the job done and controls the whole scene.

 

[Cool Cats]

I’m a big fan of the word “Hubris” to explain people like Chauvin...

Hubris (/ˈhjuːbrɪs/, from ancient Greek ὕβρις) describes a personality quality of extreme or foolish pride or dangerous overconfidence,[1] often in combination with (or synonymous with) arrogance.[2] The term "arrogance" comes from the Latin adrogare, meaning to feel that one has a right to demand certain attitudes and behaviors from other people. To "arrogate" means "to claim or seize without justification.... to make undue claims to having",[3] or "to claim or seize without right... to ascribe or attribute without reason".[4]

Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence, accomplishments or capabilities

Hubris - Wikipedia

WOW....Great word....

Sounds just like what he had on display that day - for everyone and their mother to see.