George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #14 Friday July 12

[bellaalex]

It was pouring down rain during the first part of the fight. Remember the neighbor who had the window raised so her cat could sit on the windowsill? She was sitting in bed reading before her TV program came on. She said that it started raining and she closed the window. Then she heard noise outside and wondered who would be walking their dog in the pouring rain. Plus Trayvon's hands were never bagged. Any DNA on his hands would have washed off. Evidence seems to prove that Trayvon didn't scratch George because I don't think the rain could have washed any DNA from under his fingernails.

Good point

 

[Harmony 2]

GZ had a "U" shaped mark on the back of his head that looked like an impression from the water meter cover. It is clear in one of the photos of his head and can be matched up with the photo of the water meter cover.

link

 

[Moonie]

When I was about 15, I fell and hit my cheek on a brick wall. My face was bruised black and blue as were my eyes, then yellow and blue and lasted about two months. George's injuries were minimal.

IMO

Absolutely agree. In my younger days I was a bit of a tomboy so I had several occasions where I sustained injuries. I even accidentally gave myself a black eye once. It took close to a week for it to heal. I suffered the embarrassment of having to tell people that I had done that to myself, lol. Some didn't believe me, but I had. I also fell off my bike once and cracked my head open on the pavement with one blow. I had to have stitches and I still have a visible scar to this day. There has been a lot presented in this case that I have experienced personally and can relate to. I have even been a victim of a burglary. I can not clear GZ of guilt in this case. Mainly because of his own words and actions. I don't see how the jury can not find him guilty of manslaughter. IMO.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I seriously don't find any relevance whatsoever of dentist's visits in a 2nd degree murder trial.

I am willing to believe all dentists to be murderers and extortionists.
Oh, the pain! Oh, the bill! LOL

MOO:twocents::twocents:

 

[rose222]

No need to if the jury finds the self defense argument to be so.

Here is something I never thought I would say let alone believe -darn good job by the defense lawyer throughout the trial. Refreshing that the defense team appeared to be honest and trustworthy, not sure I have ever seen that before. Disappointing that a prosecution team would be the ones to present falsehoods, innuendo and outright misrepresentation of witness statements to the jury.

How are you doing Rose ? :seeya:

Thanks raisincharlie! :seeya:

It's strange for me as well to be on the side of the Defense for once.

I'm nervous. I hope this jury has the courage to follow the law and find Zimmerman not guilty...

Nice to have you around while we wait......

 

[Mahouston69]

The lead detective believed that Zimmerman was telling the truth, and I think he said his statements were consistant.
:twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents: MOO:twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents::cluckcluck:twocents::twocents:

Especially the ones where zimmerman told him he confronted Trayvon and went back I'll bet.

 

[cityslick]

I believe RJ's testimony is considered evidence, IMO. Whether people like it or not. IMO

RJ's testimony doesn't indicate who threw the first punch.

 

[katiewonders]

Did you happen to see this? Hope it was not here..



http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/07/10/miami-market-owner-shoots-at-would-be-robbers/



The point is you never know where you could be attacked or if someone you are near is a criminal. Does that mean you live in fear? No. But it also means if you have legal right to arm yourself, And you choose to do so, It should not be held against you if you use that weapon to save your life.

BBM I would add that whatever you use to defend your life should not be held against you. When you're in your own home in each room, look around to see what you have to use to defend yourself -- I'd beat an attacker to death with whatever I could reach that was hefty enough. IMO

 

[JeannaT]

IMO too many and I find that more than a little frightening.

Well, for what it's worth, he had virtually NO supporters until the facts came out at trial.

IMHO

 

[kimlynn]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
We know that witness saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman.

I seem to recall that at least four witnesses said they knew George,and one (JG) was friendly with one of the witnesses that admitted to knowing GZ.
I will put IMO as it has been a while since I listened to the witness audio.

IMO

 

[rob]

I also don't understand about the Arizona Iced Tea and skiddles. I bet I have heard that 10 million times on tv.
The hoodie I get. Not only AA's wear them (I have several, everyone in my family does). Every bank and credit union I frequent, has signs by every door, stating, NO HATS, SUNGLASSES OR HOODS, because people wear these to hide their identy when they are doing crimes. I can understand pulling the hood up while its raining, but if I when into a business, I would pull it down while inside, just to give the employees view of my face and a little peace of mind.

 

[Linda7NJ]

No, I believe you misunderstand something very important. Zimmerman is not assumed to be innocent, nor is it assumed that he is telling the truth.

Zimmerman killed an unarmed teen. He has admitted to doing so. Killing unarmed people is against the law. However, Zimmerman is claiming that he had no choice but to kill this kid, and that therefore he should be excused from the normal penalties that might apply.

Zimmerman is the one making this claim. It is his job to provide some evidence to justify his choices. The prosecution's job here is not to prove what happened, but to show that Zimmerman's version of events is not necessarily believable. Every questionable statement Zimmerman has made, every flaw in his various stories, the lack of any meaningful injuries, all these must be weighted by the jury. They are not weighting the prosecution's case -- as there is no question that Zimmerman pulled the trigger -- they are weighting Zimmerman's excuse.

The reason for this is simple. If the law did not work in this way, virtually any time a murder took place away from witnesses the defense could claim self-defense. Yes, I stopped the woman at gunpoint, but I never planned to kill her -- she grabbed for my gun! Prove me wrong! Yes, I followed this kid around with a gun, but I never planned to kill him -- he attacked me, he went for my gun! Prove me wrong!

See how that works? Zimmerman is the one making the claim, and it's a bloody big one. We have an unarmed dead teen, a teen who (by the defendant's own admission) was attempting to get away. Getting from that to "I had to kill him" is a mighty big leap, and Zimmerman's story has quite a few holes.

IMO

Wish you were doing the prosecutions closing!

 

[Nezumi]

Seriously? The Pros is arguing for emotion over evidence!?

 

[JeannaT]

Why are they not breaking for lunch? I would think the jury would be hungry.

IMHO

 

[ShadyLady]

link

Edge of sidewalk. IMO

And prosecution beginning with....."THE HEART"???? Really?

IMO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

link

Thank you..

So he was beaten on concrete and the utility meter covers.

 

[bellaalex]

Again calling TM a child. At least call him a teen or young man, which is what he was. Even TM wouldn't want to be called a child. IMO

 

[MeeBee]

RJ's testimony doesn't indicate who threw the first punch.

No, but her testimony gives the impression that GZ started the altercation. Whether or not Trayvon threw the first punch, if he did it in reaction to GZ attacking him or grabbing him or something like that then it is self defense. IMO. There's no way of truly knowing who started it. There's no evidence of either event being true other than the words of GZ and RJ.

 

[Chester_from_THM]

Thank goodness its Kevin Costner for final args!

 

[cityslick]

Wish you were doing the prosecutions closing!

He's get laughed out of the courtroom, because that is not legally correct.

I wish a lawyer was in here, maybe folks would listen to them about this.