LovelyMountains, do you think it's immoral to own and carry concealed a firearm? Or is his gun ownership a non-issue, meaning the immorality was to not stay in his car? Just curious, not stating anything pro or con either way.
When you're not used to being in fights and you have someone on top of you trying to hit you, let me know how long it takes for fear to take hold of you, regardless of what injuries you are actually sustaining.
When you're not used to being in fights and you have someone on top of you trying to hit you, let me know how long it takes for fear to take hold of you, regardless of what injuries you are actually sustaining.
He's no longer being passive if he starts a fight, would you agree?But Trayvon was not interacting with GZ at all, just walking home in the rain. It was GZ who got out of his vehicle and aggressively (IMO) confronted Trayvon. It also makes a difference, at least to me, that Trayvon ended up dead. It was GZ who caused the death. Trayvon was passive in the situation until followed by and perhaps confronted by GZ, IMO.
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My cat has come home with more serious injuries from a night out.
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When you're not used to being in fights and you have someone on top of you trying to hit you, let me know how long it takes for fear to take hold of you, regardless of what injuries you are actually sustaining.
All I can say at this point is had GZ stayed in his vehicle and waited for LE to arrive and do "their" job as instructed. We wouldn't even be here. So very sad.
So GZ was lying when he said TM started running? I'm confused why he would.
I don't think it's ok for TM to have injured him in any way. jmo. TM created a horrible situation by doing so.
GZ made 47 calls to LE. He knew how to act on the phone when reporting things. He knew he was being recorded. He knew not to give his address and always gave the clubhouse address. Obviously, he didn't follow the rules as he followed Trayvon. His "job" was to contact LE and make a report, not take matters into his own hands. In addition, just because someone is calm in their phone calls, doesn't mean they don't have some type of rage issues inside. Clearly, saying these "F'ing Punks always get away" is not calm. JMO
first she said she did not even know if it was a man or a woman. Then she said she thought the person on top was bigger, then she said she had no idea about how big GZ and TM were at the time and then she said she learned how big TM was from photos so she assumed the guy on top was GZ.
The picture she used to decide that TM was about 11-13 at the time the pics were taking.
Battery is battery, which is illegal.IMO there is zero evidence that GZ was on the bottom having his head slammed into the concrete. GZ has a boo boo...
TM is no where near the concrete.
GZ has already been proven a liar.
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I don't think it's ok for TM to have injured him in any way. jmo. TM created a horrible situation by doing so.
By breaking Zimmerman's nose and repeatedly bashing his head on the sidewalk, which is evident by the injuries sustained that night.By minding his own business walking home from the store in the rain?
I don't see how if your objectionable, no matter what side your one, how this witness is helping the state in any way.
How did he know GZ was following him, he started running before GZ even got out of the car?
Whether GZ was within his rights to follow a kid he thought was suspicious seemingly appears moot. The question for me is, why did GZ have to have a gun at the ready. Why didn't he just stay back and let TM continue on his way home. So what if TM stopped on the common area grass. GZ did his NW thing by notifying the police. Confrontation was unnecessary. A 17 year old was shot and killed. None of this needed to happen.
Personally, I cannot decide if GZ is innocent or guilty as it applies to FL law. I am waiting for all the evidence to come in and have both sides present their case. As a mother, and if TM was my child, I would be going for the jugular. Fortunately, I am not in his parent's shoes.[/QUOTE]
BBM Thank you, I could not agree with you more. I think GZ should have just waited in his truck for the cops. I would get an attitude if someone approached me to ask me why I was in the neighborhood. That's exactly why I think NW and Citizens on Patrol (COP) volunteers should not approach anyone. All JMO
Well GZ had a permit to carry the gun and it wasn't at "the ready", in fact he sustained a substantial beating before firing the gun.
I think GZ called the cops, dispatch asked "where is he running to" Zimmerman got out his car to see where TM was heading. As Zimmerman was at the top of the "T" intersection and started to walk back--Martin , running 'left to right'----asked Zimmerman "why are you following me?", Zimmerman asked "Are you from around here?" Martin got angry and then started fighting and had him on the ground bashing his head and breaking his nose. Zimmerman shot him in chest, Zimmerman removed himself and Martin fell forward on his stomach. Zimmerman then got on top in case Martin was going to continue to fight.
Let's look at the relevant Florida law:IMO I disagree with that. According to GZ account of what happen I think that an argument can be made that TM was in fear when he hit GZ.
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