George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General Discussion Thread 9 (For Friday)

[popsicle]

wait...did he say his new memory??

 

[MonaSuzy]

Another thing about pot is now days, Other things can be added to it to make you get higher!

 

[m00c0w]

Ahh, Katie, my Heroine, looks whose atalkin!!!

When I read Super Lawyer West was called "super" because he got a lighter sentence for a child rapist/murderer, ( among other amazing fetes ) I just some how couldn't admire him..albeit I was already to give him full marks for his court room performances....and Boy ohh boy, was I let down....we all know a defense lawyer has to get his hands dirty...but this bloke knows no limits and plays dirty, IMO.

I take it from this, you feel that depositions derived from hypnosis of the affiant are perfectly fine and reasonable?

 

[sorrell skye]

Dr. Bao was the supervising medical examiner on TM's autopsy. For him to testify that it "wasn't his job" to ensure that the technicians properly bagged TM's clothing items (evidence) is beyond preposterous, IMO.

 

[missmazzy]

Why is the judge allowing him to testify about the 3 weeks ago case regarding this case?

 

[Moonie]

sorry for a dumb question but what does "throwing the case" mean?

To me it means to deliberately try to lose the case. Someone else may have a different opinion. I'm just trying to get clear on why they would want to do that. What's the benefit?

 

[Beyond Belief]

Do we have any idea if anymore witnesses for the state will be called? imo

 

[sacrablue]

Personal experience is worth three times book information knowledge any day IMO.

 

[missmazzy]

Now suddenly when Prosecution is asking questions he DOES remember the autopsy.....I trust the jury notices this! (imo)

...and when the defense asks for a break, the judge thinks about it....when the prosecution asks, it's just fine. IMO.

 

[bellaalex]

How does the amount of time Trayvon was alive after he was shot affect anything? I don't understand why this is being questioned over and over.
1-3 minutes vs. 1-10 minutes? Is it to question the testimony of the ME?

 

[Chester_from_THM]

The judge's decision in not allowing the toxicology report is odd and IMHO a huge error. I would think that anything in Trayvon's system that evening is very relevant and it's part of the autopsy as well.

I may be misunderstanding, but I thought the judge was just not allowing the defense to ask the ME whether the level of THC in TM's blood would result in certain behavior?

The toxicology report is part of the autopsy, I believe, which is in evidence.

IMO.

 

[JeannaT]

I may be misunderstanding, but I thought the judge was just not allowing the defense to ask the ME whether the level of THC in TM's blood would result in certain behavior?

The toxicology report is part of the autopsy, I believe, which is in evidence.

IMO.

As I understand it, the judge isn't allowing the ME to state that in his opinion, the amount of marijuana found in Trayvon's body would cause behavior changes.

I can't imagine why that's not being allowed, but apparently that's the issue.

IMHO

 

[JeannaT]

How does the amount of time Trayvon was alive after he was shot affect anything? I don't understand why this is being questioned over and over.
1-3 minutes vs. 1-10 minutes? Is it to question the testimony of the ME?

I think it's being brought up because the defense is trying to show that GZ's retelling is true - that Trayvon was indeed alive for awhile, and he pulled his arms back under his body after GZ pulled them out away from his body.

And that at the time the arms were pulled out, Trayvon was alive.

 

[DIBSY]

Wow I missed that little gem on my Taaffe boycott.

" Taaffe boycott", simply priceless.:floorlaugh: Like GZ, he is fond of LE jargon and I expect him to make a citizen's arrest on Nancy Grace as soon as he gets a chance. IMO

Seriously, this trial has aspects that take place out of the realm of reality....lost keys to the evidence locker, Skype bombing, celebrating prematurely in public by the defense, and waaay more...In and out of the court room. IMO

I am not trying to be funny when I wonder why a med professional does not take GZ's pulse daily...because he's like a zombie and may have medical issues...some attribute to his medications....but to me, it's far more than that.....his demeanor is abnormal...even though he is said to have LOL the other day..a possibly inappropiate response in the circs..which is contra indication of mental stability? IMO

If he's freed, I'm very much afraid we'll see more of his irrational behavior. IMO

 

[pinkfly]

IMO prosecution is just trying to play the cards they were dealt and they were not given a winning hand or even a very playable hand when they were told to prosecute.

 

[missmazzy]

OMG...#BaoDown is trending on twitter!

 

[mdana]

I wonder if Mark Geregos will be on tonight repeating his theory that the prosecution is deliberately throwing the case!

MOO

I thought he was playing contrarian clown card or phoning it in when he was stating that the other day, but it might actually be true. I have always found this a very complex puzzle. Rick Scott is a very conservative Republican and ran on law and order with such draconian ideas as drug testing those receiving umployment benefits, much of his constituency are gun owners and bringing charges against GZ was anathema to that group. He assigns this case to Angela Corey who has a reputation for being tough on crime, but also overcharging. In addition, her reputation for succesful convictions rests on being able to get plea bargains from poorly represented defendents or being able to use the power of the state to overwhelm a limited defense team. She does her normal overcharge method and bypasses the grand jury. This case is supposed to quite the crowd aggitated by Crump, Sharpton, and company. It just might work as people are upset with GZ or his defense team, and don't question the shoddy work of the ME office, and the incompetence of onscene forensics and police work. I thought Crump etc. played fast and loose with their representation of the case to the detriment of GZ, but it is unfortunate, that might have been the only way to get the Sanford LE or the Florida government to do a semblance of due diligence. I realize we don't live in a race neutral enviroment, but I don't think it is utopian or naive to think all homicides should be treated as important and worthy of a vigorous investigation, even if at first glance they may seem justfiable.

I would be petrified to have Judge Nelson or rely on Shiping Bao's competency, even if I was absolutely innocent of the charges. God help you if you weren't 100% innocent. MOO

 

[I Must Break You]

I was at the shore over July 4th. I watched people walking on the various blocks of houses with this trial in mind. I saw people on their phones meandering, stopping, starting, texting, talking. They were on sidewalks in close proximity to homes. I tried to objectively ascertain whether their behavior would "appear suspicious" to a neighborhood watch person. Truth be told, I did not. Their actions seemed unobtrusive and just "normal". Whether or not they belonged on the street never entered my mind. JMV

But by looking at people with this case in mind you are looking at it through biased eyes. Everytime I think about this case I remember something that happened to me a few years ago. I live in a regular suburban sub division, not gated and a fairly quite neighborhood. I'll add that is pretty much equally racially mixed, black, white, hispanic and asian. One evening though I was sitting on my front porch when I noticed a young teenage male walking around a house across the street. I don't know if it was from being a former police officer or what but my alarm bells started dinging. I got myself in position where I could see the kid and knew he could see that I saw him (did ya get that). After a minute or two he walked off kind of in a hurry. When my neighbors came back home, I told 'em what I saw as a heads up. To keep a long story long, these particular neighbors don't have kids and said there was no reason for a teen age male to scoping their house out.

What does it mean? I don't know, I didn't follow him like GZ or call the cops, but I do feel my vigilance (by making sure he knew he had been seen) may well have prevented some type of criminal activity in my neighborhood.

 

[MeeBee]

I may be misunderstanding, but I thought the judge was just not allowing the defense to ask the ME whether the level of THC in TM's blood would result in certain behavior?

The toxicology report is part of the autopsy, I believe, which is in evidence.

IMO.

OOOH....:bang:

Sorry, I was relying on the posts to keep me up and I think I'm pretty sure I misunderstood lol.

Well that doesn't seem quite as bad to me but it still feels like something that would be relevant to know. I don't think marijuana causes changes in behavior, per se, but the effect of what was in Trayvon's system seems like it would still be important to know.

In the Susan Wright case, her husband, who she claimed she killed in self defense, was coked to the eyeballs. While her actions after the murder seem very suspicious, that he had coke in his system raises some reasonable doubt. At the very least, his behavior on the stuff may have just pissed her off. While marijuana has a much milder effect on the person...IDK.

Maybe she just wants to leave it at there was marijuana in his system and let the jury decide if that's relevant. IDK if it's reversible error.

 

[Zuri]

The prosecution appears to be "throwing the case" because they didn't have a case to begin with.

I met a states attorney from Florida this week. He was of the opinion that LE did their job and there was not enough evidence to charge GZ. He said the states case is fairly weak, and unfortunately is more politically motivated than anything else. What a shame. JMV