Germanwings Airbus crash 24 March #1

[Lyra500]

Prosecutor was asked about ethnic origin of co pilot and I don't think he's answered that.

Well his name sounds entirely German - although I suppose he could have been adopted and given a German name.

 

[Elley Mae]

I am not saying this to be deliberately gruesome, but I do not think it would be right to let the relatives anywhere near the crash site however much they feel they just have to go there.

The plane flew into the mountain at over 700km and hour - it was smashed to smithereens - I suspect recovery and identification of the poor victims is going to be something akin to the twin towers in in some respects.

Dreadful, dreadful business. The fact that they knew what was happening (at east near the end) adds to the horror for their poor families and friends.

exactly, no one needs to be on site.

One investigator said: “The biggest body parts we identified are no bigger than a briefcase.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/566398/Germanwings-A320-crash-crews-recovering-bodies-site

 

[gregjrichards]

Germanwings is holding a press conference right now they are talking about the DLR test to analyse pilots mental state. Both pilots did the test. The co-pilot worked as a flight attendant before becoming a pilot. Airline is shocked by this development given their rigorous selection process. They do not know what motivated the co-pilot to do this. This is the worst event in the airlines history.

 

[Gin]

exactly, no one needs to be on site.

One investigator said: “The biggest body parts we identified are no bigger than a briefcase.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/566398/Germanwings-A320-crash-crews-recovering-bodies-site

I'm not going to judge the loved ones of the (allegedly) murdered passengers. I am sure they were given information about the crash scene details. I think they have a right to make the decision for themselves.

 

[Elley Mae]

Robin said the co-pilot had no known links to suspected terrorist groups, but noted the investigation remained wide open.

“People who commit suicide usually do so alone . . . I don’t call it a suicide,” he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...0770d8-d38c-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html

“The plane was cruising at 38,000 feet — planes don’t crash in cruise,” said Anthony Davis, a *London-based aviation specialist. “They crash in takeoff or landing or they have engine failure, but it’s very unusual anything should happen at that altitude.

 

[alreetlike]

Can you imagine being a passenger on board and watching from your seat the captain banging on the door???? Must have been awful!!!!!!

As someone who is terrified of flying (after a bad experience as a child) this is one of my worst fears. It's bad enough being at the mercy of technology where I know there can be glitches etc but this puts the spotlight on the human trust aspect. Horrifying.

It's just so heartbreaking. The BBC is reporting that the sounds of passengers screaming can be heard just before the crash.

Grim.

 

[luckyme]

If it was a terror group, wouldnt they came forward by now?

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm not going to judge the loved ones of the (allegedly) murdered passengers. I am sure they were given information about the crash scene details. I think they have a right to make the decision for themselves.

Color me confused, are you saying that the loved ones should be allowed up on the mountain now if that is what they want?

 

[gregjrichards]

Information about DLR test.

"The DLR test for aspiring airline transport pilots applying for training at the Flight Training LFT in Bremen consists of 2 parts; the basic occupational skills assessment (BU) and the company qualification assessment (FQ). The test is conducted at the German Aerospace Centre (DLR) in Hamburg. The term "occupational" skills assessment already indicates that in addition to the actual test procedure, this also includes a fundamental clarification of the suitability for working as a commercial pilot.

The primary focus of the DLR-BU is on the applicant's capacity assessment, i.e. the ability to absorb audio and visual information, three-dimensional spatial sense and the ability to cope with multiple tasks and stresses. The tasks at the DLR have been developed based on typical demands in the working environment of a pilot.

In addition, knowledge in the areas of mathematics, physics and English is also tested. In addition to basic mathematics skills, the mathematics test also assesses the ability for logical thinking.

With the physics part which includes elements of theoretical pilot training such as electrical engineering, aerodynamics, wave theory, thermodynamic links etc., DLR tests whether the aspiring airline pilot can absorb the theoretical training content at LFT and also whether he/she has a basic scientific understanding of the subject matter.

In the English test, the DLR aptitude assessors increasingly focus on the ability to use the language idiomatically in addition to general grammatical skills. The demands in the DLR English test have risen significantly in recent years, reflecting the stiffer requirements for attaining the Commercial Pilot Licence in line with the JAR training guidelines."

More info at link - http://www.attc.com/DLR-BU2.htm

The psychological part is limited to a yes/no complex of questions on personality as well as handwritten answers to what are know as the 10 questions.

The date for the FQ test will be 4 to 8 weeks after the successful completion of the BU test.

"If the BU has been passed successfully, an invitation to the FQ test will be issued about 4 to 8 weeks later. The FQ test assesses the applicant's psychological profile. The DLR test typically includes the ability to work in a team, working under stress, conflict resolution and a psychological interview; in addition, a mini-screening is conducted in a simple simulator."

 

[Bravo]

IMO if they are letting Family go to the crash site they are likely at such a distance they really cant see exactly what is there.

 

[sar2them1984]

Been following this closely, one of the passengers on the plane lived around the corner from me... so sad

Does anyone know how far in advance do the pilot/crew/fo arrive at the airport prior to the flight. I was always under the impression that they kind of just turned up as and when before the flight was due to fly but is that incorrect? Do the pilot and f/O go over plans together beforehand? Just asking as I've seen a number of posts suggesting the f/O slipped the pilot something to make him go to toilet

 

[Bravo]

There has been so much in the news/here regarding crashes as of late. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. I always wondered why people drank on Flights as I sit with my water hydrating. I think I may be partaking on my next Flight. Terrible tragedy!!!

 

[Elley Mae]

IMO if they are letting Family go to the crash site they are likely at such a distance they really cant see exactly what is there.

I am sure there will be some sort of memorial service down the road but I seriously doubt that they will be air lifted by helicopter and dropped on site of the crash, because that is what they want.

 

[Gin]

Color me confused, are you saying that the loved ones should be allowed up on the mountain now if that is what they want?

JMO-I'm not sure what was confusing about my post. Yes, I believe they should be given that option to go if at all possible. My read on the NY Times article is that they will be offered that that opportunity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/w...on-recovery-efforts-in-germanwings-crash.html

"residents here also prepared to receive the victims’ families. Hundreds of the relatives are expected to descend on the valley, said Francis Hermitte, the mayor."

 

[Bravo]

I am sure there will be some sort of memorial service down the road but I seriously doubt that they will be air lifted by helicopter and dropped on site of the crash, because that is what they want.

Agree

 

[Gin]

I am sure there will be some sort of memorial service down the road but I seriously doubt that they will be air lifted by helicopter and dropped on site of the crash, because that is what they want.

I am confident the authorities will be able to manage this appropriately. I'm sure their first priority will be safety, and a close second will be sensitivity.
And obviously, they aren't going to be dropping folks directly into the crash site.

 

[zwiebel]

His local flying club had published a touching obituary today, but have taken it down. The article also mentions the number of FB pages supporting terrorist groups that have sprung up, claiming Lubitz as their own hero. I doubt he had any connection to them, myself.

(google translated)
http://translate.google.de/translat...as-uber-den-Copiloten-bekannt-ist&prev=search

Here's the cache of his FB page.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...m/andreas.lubitz.3+&cd=11&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de

 

[Bravo]

CEO- Co-Pilot Interrupted training for awhile. Per CNN Presser on now.

 

[gregjrichards]

I am sure there will be some sort of memorial service down the road but I seriously doubt that they will be air lifted by helicopter and dropped on site of the crash, because that is what they want.

I don't think the relatives will be dropped on the crash site they might fly over it. It is effectively a crime scene and they cannot have people wondering all over it apart from those recovering remains and investigators. I don't think I would want to see the crash site if I was a relative. I would want to be near the site to pray.

 

[Elley Mae]

JMO-I'm not sure what was confusing about my post. Yes, I believe they should be given that option to go if at all possible. My read on the NY Times article is that they will be offered that that opportunity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/w...on-recovery-efforts-in-germanwings-crash.html

"residents here also prepared to receive the victims’ families. Hundreds of the relatives are expected to descend on the valley, said Francis Hermitte, the mayor."

Yes, In the valley not on the mountain. jmo