Found Alive Germany - Maria-Brigitte Henselmann, 13, Freiburg, 4 May 2013

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Thanks for that Elainera *:)

That tiny bit of information is very interesting about him staying in Hotels and not in his flat.
Do you think it is legitimate information?
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else as yet.

I had the impression that he rented a flat because he had a White Shepherd dog which went with him everywhere.
I know the papers also said it was a private place for Maria and Haase to meet, but if he didn't have a rented apartment - where did he keep the dog?
Did he leave it at home?

The Honeymoon phase always ends - sad but true :)
And I have wondered what will happen long term to Maria if she does not come home and she is with Haase. What about her education - her identity - her prospects as a young adult?

As her mother asked in her last blog - Maria, are you still there voluntarily?

I hope there is news soon - 250 leads and nothing?!
If they are in the Country, someone somewhere must have seen her.
I had wondered if she had changed her appearance in some way - cut her hair or coloured it - or both. Maybe wears a hat with her hair up.

She does look different in her photos though - she seems like she has a few different looks to her style. The eyes and face shape though - she's still recognizable.

:dunno:

Re the hotel room, the sentence in the Spiegel article says "The electrician visited Freiburg several times, rented a hotel room, picked up Maria from school." There is no mention of renting an apartment.

Yes I would assume that she has changed her appearance somewhat. He could also have shaved, use different glasses, or wear a hat. They might have traded the car for another model.

How do they finance themselves now I wonder?

Let's assume they planned this for the past 10-12 months and squirreled away a little stash. Maybe he was able to save 100-200 Euros/month without his wife noticing, and maybe she was able to save 50-100/month, depending on her allowance and whether she had a small job. So that would make it between 1000 and 2400 Euros (him), and between 500 and 1200 Euros (her). At the most they have 4000 Euros cash with them. It will not last long. I assume neither of them has emptied a savings account or taken any valuables as we did not hear anything about that.

They have to rent a place, hotels are too risky and too expensive in the long run. In Germany you usually have to pay a deposit and some advance rent. Half their money could have gone already for that alone. The same is usually done in the UK. I don't know how it is done in other European countries. In any case rent will be cutting into their cash big time.

They need money for petrol and food, don't forget the dog food.

I would say after 1-3 months their cash is gone. And then what? Do they have a plan?

She won't be able to get a proper job due to her age. She looks older though and might be able to get temp jobs in pubs and bars, cleaning services, restaurant kitchens etc, that pay cash. All small scale and very temporary only. For example, in London I worked for one summer in a small fast food restaurant located in a park. The owner would call when he needed extra hands in the kitchen and service and I would work 3-4 shifts a week, each time cash in hand. Nothing was done officially with papers.

They would have a better chance to find jobs outside of Germany. In the UK it is pretty easy for example to put up ads in your neighbourhood and get hired privately (he as an electrician, she as a domestic cleaner for example, or a dog walker). No papers required, you work as a freelance. Most Germans speak at least some English. She probably just started learning the language in school. In any case you can find jobs that don't require fluency fairly easily. But of course you won't make much money that way. London for example is super expensive!

1-3 months is also the time period I'd give their honeymoon. She will get bored with him, while he won't want to let go. This is where I worry about her.

Right now it's probably all a great adventure. They might be in a country they haven't been before and it's all fun. She will feel satisfied seeing her parents looking for her online. But the thrill will wear off, the fun become stale when the money is over and reality starts sinking in.

I hope the awakening is gentle and she does the right thing.
 
Excellent post, Elainera.

Is there any chance, I wonder, if he has taken her back to his family home and secreted her away in a room/basement area with her consent, promising it's just for awhile, while he saves more money?

Crazier things have happened, and recently as well (Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight).
 
Excellent post, Elainera.

Is there any chance, I wonder, if he has taken her back to his family home and secreted her away in a room/basement area with her consent, promising it's just for awhile, while he saves more money?

Crazier things have happened, and recently as well (Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight).

But then he would have been arrested, right? His wife still lives there?
 
Yes I would assume that she has changed her appearance somewhat. He could also have shaved, use different glasses, or wear a hat. They might have traded the car for another model.

I wonder if they will release altered photos of Maria with different hair etc. if she doesn't come home after a time.

Yes, the car is a giveaway - unless they changed the number plates and resprayed it. Easier to get another car, or use a friends car.
I wondered if they were being helped by someone else to get around, and leave the dog with.
Maybe they dumped the car and have gone to another country.
If they have - or if Haase has moved them far away, I hope it isn't in an isolated spot where Maria couldn't get help if she wanted to or needed it.
If any of them get sick, how will they cope.
Wonder if they have put an alert out to vets, in case someone sees the dog?

How do they finance themselves now I wonder?
...I assume neither of them has emptied a savings account or taken any valuables as we did not hear anything about that.
I don't think his full financial details were revealed
He must have money stashed somewhere - or he would have to have some source of untraceable income to keep this plan going.
If the Honeymoon period ends and the fiances run out - it puts Maria at risk, on more levels than one.

They have to rent a place, hotels are too risky and too expensive in the long run. In Germany you usually have to pay a deposit and some advance rent. Half their money could have gone already for that alone. The same is usually done in the UK. I don't know how it is done in other European countries. In any case rent will be cutting into their cash big time.
Unless they are working for their rent. Doing jobs around someone's property in exchange for board and lodging. Then moving on.

I would say after 1-3 months their cash is gone. And then what? Do they have a plan?
Yeah, this is where her disappearance doesn't add up for me. I agree with you! What was Haase's plan? He cant hide a 13 year old girl indefinitely, and be on the run for the rest of his life. That is not a life.
I hope that because they (the Police) believe Maria left voluntarily that they don't assume that she wants to say away for the rest of her life. I hope the Police have a plan as well to get her back home.

Probably wont hear or see anything from Haase with Interpol after him.
Lets hope he would let Maria go home if she wanted to, even if he couldn't home himself.

1-3 months is also the time period I'd give their honeymoon. She will get bored with him, while he won't want to let go. This is where I worry about her.
Yes, I too worry that he wont let her go and will convince her to keep on the run. I just hope she is found or seen by someone soon so it doesn't get to that point.

I hope the awakening is gentle and she does the right thing.
Amen!
And I hope he does the ring thing - Let her contact her parents and Let her go home.
 
Thanks for that Elainera *:)

That tiny bit of information is very interesting about him staying in Hotels and not in his flat.
Do you think it is legitimate information?
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else as yet.

I had the impression that he rented a flat because he had a White Shepherd dog which went with him everywhere.
I know the papers also said it was a private place for Maria and Haase to meet, but if he didn't have a rented apartment - where did he keep the dog?
Did he leave it at home?

The Honeymoon phase always ends - sad but true :)
And I have wondered what will happen long term to Maria if she does not come home and she is with Haase. What about her education - her identity - her prospects as a young adult?

As her mother asked in her last blog - Maria, are you still there voluntarily?

I hope there is news soon - 250 leads and nothing?!
If they are in the Country, someone somewhere must have seen her.
I had wondered if she had changed her appearance in some way - cut her hair or coloured it - or both. Maybe wears a hat with her hair up.

She does look different in her photos though - she seems like she has a few different looks to her style. The eyes and face shape though - she's still recognizable.

:dunno:

I have no problem finding hotels which accept dogs in Germany. Most of them do. But of course the dog is so memorable I find it very surprising that they haven't been found yet, if they have the dog with them.

Even though Haase seemed very fond of his dog, he has shown he is capable of very impulsive behaviour. Perhaps he has given the dog to a rescue organisation. I wonder if there is any way of contacting the larger ones and asking if they have recently been given a dog like this?

I suppose there no possibility Haase has taken his car through the channel tunnel to England? There would be a record of it if he has as there is a lot of security there. Especially if he has taken his dog - he would have had to start an anti-rabies programme 6 months before. The rules are much stricter for pets than for people; I was stranded in France for two days once because a vet made a mistake and I wasn't allowed to take my dog back into my own country!

It would be a good destination though, as a practical German could get work there without documents. It is not supposed to happen but it does, a lot. Maria's missing status will not have made much impact in England at all, because of the language barrier. Accomodation would be a problem as it is expensive and hard to find however.

If you really care about Maria, Bernhard, you will care about her family too! Ask her to phone home!
 
I have no problem finding hotels which accept dogs in Germany. Most of them do. But of course the dog is so memorable I find it very surprising that they haven't been found yet, if they have the dog with them.

Even though Haase seemed very fond of his dog, he has shown he is capable of very impulsive behaviour. Perhaps he has given the dog to a rescue organisation. I wonder if there is any way of contacting the larger ones and asking if they have recently been given a dog like this?

I suppose there no possibility Haase has taken his car through the channel tunnel to England? There would be a record of it if he has as there is a lot of security there. Especially if he has taken his dog - he would have had to start an anti-rabies programme 6 months before. The rules are much stricter for pets than for people; I was stranded in France for two days once because a vet made a mistake and I wasn't allowed to take my dog back into my own country!

It would be a good destination though, as a practical German could get work there without documents. It is not supposed to happen but it does, a lot. Maria's missing status will not have made much impact in England at all, because of the language barrier. Accomodation would be a problem as it is expensive and hard to find however.

If you really care about Maria, Bernhard, you will care about her family too! Ask her to phone home!

Maybe I missed it just stopped by to see what is going on but is there a picture of the dog ?
I do have a lot of connections within rescue organisations for dogs,my own dog comes from an rescue org.
 
As a prizewinning dog I should think it is valuable, and that anybody with much experience will be able to see that. 'Show' dogs are usually very well-trained and well-behaved too. If it was taken to a rescue organisation, I think it will have found new owners quickly.
 
Maybe I missed it just stopped by to see what is going on but is there a picture of the dog ?
I do have a lot of connections within rescue organisations for dogs,my own dog comes from an rescue org.

Mine's a rescue dog too. They're the best!
 
Ah, wait a minute. I don't think Merlin is the dog he has with him now. It's the same breed and colour but I think it's called simba.
 
I hope police have made a forensic check of Maria's computer if she has one, and pulled her phone records. And done the same for Bernhard's. Also that her teachers have explained to her friends that any information they have could be very important and they must tell police if they know anything.

More information must be released about Bernhard. There is little chance of understanding where he might have taken Maria without understanding him.
 
Zwiebel, the news clip covers several topics, the first one is about a co-operation agreement, it has nothing to do with Maria. Then, at about 1:53, Maria and Haase are mentioned but it's only a summary from what we have read in the articles so far. Nothing new. It only lasts a few seconds.
 
Thanks Elainera. I do find it very strange there is so little information, background or new pictures of Haase being released. Given his former prominent position, I would have thought the newspapers would have had more info on him.

It really seems that his privacy is being protected, and Maria's missing status is not being treated as seriously as it could be.
 
By that I mean by LE and investigative reporters. Parents seem to be blanketing the web to get the news out there.
 
Yes, the lack of news or updates either about Haase or Maria seems very guarded.
I did think though due two 2 high profile cases in The Netherlands and France that maybe they weren't on the run so much, and staying put. Maybe their plans were changed? I still have the impression that the Police possibly think Haase was planning to travel a long way away.

I cant imagine they are still using the car - so maybe its dumped somewhere or hidden. If that were the case they could be travelling in another car - but if they were looking to get out of the country - I think it would be by boat.

It is more than 2 weeks since any contact or sighting of either of them.

Marias mother has posted an update in her blog:

Maria Suche Blog - Bitte Findet Maria
Mary is 19 Missed night

19 days without a sign of life ......
Even if I take all the strength and hope together we succeed not to believe in a "voluntary" me.

Mary was never so long without her family ...

WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT YOU CAN NOT SIGN?

A CHILD, A CAR, A DOG AND A MORE THAN FOUR TIMES SO OLD MAN BUT YOU CAN NOT JUST DISAPPEAR!

THERE MUST BE SOMEONE BUT SOMETHING BROKEN FALL!

PLEASE DO NOT LET THAT THIS SEARCH asleep!!

Keep searching everyone - she is out there somewhere...
Still hoping they find her soon.
 
Where are you Maria ? If he's crossed into another country, do they work cooperatively with each other to search ?
 
Hi everyone. I've been following this topic and I feel for Maria and Bernhard aswell. My sincere wish is that Bernhard really loves Maria and does what is best for her when the moment comes.

I can feel your pain Bernhard and I am sorry to hear it has lead to this kinda situation. Pls always remember that love is not about yourself, it is about the other person. The biggest act of love is to give yourself for someone else. Whatever you do never forget that.

About the case. If Bernhard is smart he has planned this for some time now even whole year. Then he's got it all figured out for years as a daydream kinda thing. Maybe he has found a way to go to Asia or other distant and cheap country with Maria where they can afford to live and dissappear. He knows that he cannot find any place in EU to settle down for good. Perhaps he's gotten identities and passports from deceaced people (I heard a rumor that in eastern europe the corrupt police sell identites of missing people), relocated to that country, given his car to some people for a little money and departed the country with airplane.

Is there any close by eastern country that could has a no-visa policy with some Asian or South American country? I know that Russia and Thailand have one and it would be a nice retirement destination for many men and couples. With fake Russian ID's they could go to Kalingrad that is quite close to Gemany I think? From there it's easy to fly to Moscow / St. Petersburg and proceed to Thailand. And I am sure many Kalinggrad folks would be happy to receive his car for compensation of little help.

Or if Bernhard is just acting out of moment's passion then he and Maria will turn up in a few weeks when money runs out and reality bites.

Hopefully all will get out of this in one piece.
 

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