Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #4

[Mex]

If you were using dark web forums to communicate, why would you bother with more open email for dubious or illegal material ?

CB was known to frequent the dark web ... so a very pertinent question.

 

[misty48]

If you were using dark web forums to communicate, why would you bother with more open email for dubious or illegal material ?

Maybe the platform he was using at the time has since had its encryption busted by the authorities?

 

[Mex]

That's an interesting question. An eff-up on the part of the prosecution maybe in its bid to overwhelm the trial with as much anti-CB material as possible in order to secure convictions? Failing to see the bigger legal picture? And only now realising that it's in danger of becoming hoist by its own petard, hence its 'but the emails!!!' clemancy appeal to the judge!

CB's legal team are beside themselves to get access to the prosecution files concerning the MM case and will stop at nothing to get access.
Why else take a day out of court time on five indictments to question a senior detective on a case for which no charges have as yet been made.

Did the senior detective have any input to any of the five cases presently under trial, because he certainly has little to say about MM.

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But S said he was unable to share details of the evidence as it was 'related to the killing' of young MM.

Madeleine McCann suspect's emails 'link him to case': investigators

The shock revelation is the first time an official working on the case has claimed to have evidence connecting Brueckner to the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine McCann

www.dailymail.co.uk

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"At the core is the problem that the investigation into MM cannot be separated from the investigation into these cases which are the subject of this trial," FF said outside court.

"The federal police have just one file but the prosecution selected only certain aspects for this trial. In our view that is not legally correct and we have right to access all files in this investigation."

Madeleine McCann suspect 'pre-convicted' by media in rape trial, lawyer argues

Christian Brückner's defence says his trial is tainted by him being repeatedly linked to Madeline.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Lilly b]

CB was known to frequent the dark web ... so a very pertinent question.

Was this email connected to his Skype account? That connects Fs the undertaker and would there be any emails with the Kruse guy ?

 

[Lilly b]

Sorry that should be a post from me not Mex. Don't know how I managed so that

 

[RichardKimble]

If you were using dark web forums to communicate, why would you bother with more open email for dubious or illegal material ?

Agreed ,hotmail is hardly the dark web.

 

[UK Girl]

Kommt der Maddie-Verdächtige davon, weil Inga-Ermittler schlampten?

Im Prozess gegen Christian Brückner in Braunschweig sagten Polizisten aus, die im Fall Inga Gehricke ermittelten – offenbar mit unsauberen Mitteln.

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[mrjitty]

Agreed ,hotmail is hardly the dark web.

The idea CB is some kind of criminal mastermind has always been farfetched

 

[RichardKimble]

Kommt der Maddie-Verdächtige davon, weil Inga-Ermittler schlampten?

Im Prozess gegen Christian Brückner in Braunschweig sagten Polizisten aus, die im Fall Inga Gehricke ermittelten – offenbar mit unsauberen Mitteln.

www.bild.de

A decision next Wednesday.

The court will announce on Wednesday whether the Maddie suspect's written rape fantasies may play a role in this trial.

 

[C.greek]

So it appears that there were drafts of the stories appearing in das Buch that CB sent to 'friends' from his Hotmail accounts which have been legally accessed. Therefore, even if they cannot use the box factory evidence they could still use his emails. Not much lost hopefully. Jmo

 

[RichardKimble]

So it appears that there were drafts of the stories appearing in das Buch that CB sent to 'friends' from his Hotmail accounts which have been legally accessed. Therefore, even if they cannot use the box factory evidence they could still use his emails. Not much lost hopefully. Jmo

It's as good as an explanation as any, whether you're right will remain to be seen.

 

[C.greek]

It's as good as an explanation as any, whether you're right will remain to be seen.

These were said in the trial though. I would imagine they don't lie . Also there is mention in the mirror of a copy of a story appearing in a laptop that CB owned in 2017 in Portugal. Therefore that cannot be from the box factory raid

 

[Niner]

Thursday, June 6th:
*Trial continues (Day 24) (@ 9am CET) – Germany/Portugal - Hazel Behan (20 @ time/now 40) (in her home, June 16, 2004, Praia de Rocha on the Algarve coast, 10 miles from Praia de Luz, Portimao, Portugal) - *Christian Stefan Brückner (Bruekner) (27 @ time of 1st crime (2004)/45/now 47) charged (Oct. 11, 2022) with sexual assault (suspect held a knife & brutally raped her. The accused then tied & gagged the woman to a table & raped her again. He then whipped the victim on the back with a whip he had brought with him & finally forcibly performed oral sex with the victim. The accused filmed large parts of the events with a video camera he had brought with him). Braunschweig Regional District Court
Germany/Portugal – *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) & arrest warrant reinstated 11/18/22 - a 14 year old teenager (unknown victim) (on tape: assaulted/hit the naked girl with a whip. Said to have brutally forced the girl to have oral sex. The accused also videotaped this act). Took place between Dec. 28, 2000 to April 8, 2006 on the Praia da Luz, Algarve coast, Portugal.
Germany/Portugal - *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) & arrest warrant reinstated 11/18/22 - an elderly woman 70-80 yrs old (unknown victim) a Tour Rep (tied up & raped the victim in her holiday apt. He then hit the victim several times with a whip. The accused is said to have recorded the entire event with a video camera). Took place around the same time (between Dec. 28, 2000 to April 8, 2006) on the Praia de Luz, Algarve coast, Portugal.
Germany/Portugal – *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) & arrest warrant reinstated 11/18/22 - 10 year old German girl (Joana E.) (wearing only shoes & otherwise naked. He grabbed the child's wrist & began to perform masturbation movements on his naked penis). On Salema (Zalema) beach, near Praia de Luz, Portugal, April 7, 2007).
Germany/Portugal – *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) & arrest warrant reinstated 11/18/22 – Ines VP (11 year old Portuguese girl) (pulled down his trousers & underpants & made masturbation movements on his naked penis in order to sexually arouse himself, until the frightened girl ran to her father for help. The suspect was arrested on the spot by the Portuguese police). Exposed himself in playpark, São Bartolomeu de Messines, June 11, 2017).
Trial began on February 16, 2024. (And continued on Feb. 23rd, Mar. 1st & 14th, Apr. 2nd, 10th, 12th, 17th, 19th, 24th & 26th, May 2nd, 15th, 166th, 17th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, 28th, 29th & June 4th).
Next Trial dates: June 25, 26 & 27th, July 5, August 5, 15, 16, Sept. 5, 26, 27, Oct. 2, 7, 8, 21 & Oct. 22, 2024.
Presiding Judge Dr. Engemann. Lead Prosecutor Ute Lindermann. Defense attorneys Dr. Friedrich Fülscher, Philipp Marquort, Dennis Bock & Atilla Aykac.
Brueckner is currently serving a 7 year sentence for the 2005 rape on a pensioner; was sentenced in 2019. Release in 2026.
Case info & charges & Brueckner info from June 1, 2020 thru Jan. 18, 2024 & Trial Day 1-22 (Feb. 16 thru June 4) reference post #10 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...ault-crimes-praia-de-rocha-portugal-4.714269/
June 5, 2024 Wednesday, Day 23: Gov’t witnesses: German Federal Criminal Police Senior Detective Titus Stampa. Helge Busching.
Trial continues on Thursday, June 6, 2024.
The trial days 22 to 24(June 4-6) are scheduled. Negotiations will take place from Tuesday, 4. June, then three days in a row. The focus is on serious rape allegations against CB, a key witness of the prosecution and the question of whether evidence has been obtained illegally.
For more info see posts #16 & 18 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...ault-crimes-praia-de-rocha-portugal-4.714269/

 

[RichardKimble]

These were said in the trial though. I would imagine they don't lie . Also there is mention in the mirror of a copy of a story appearing in a laptop that CB owned in 2017 in Portugal. Therefore that cannot be from the box factory raid

They're bringing evidence from an unrelated investigation regarding the defendant, now it's been declared does the defence get to see the alleged evidence under disclosure even though he's not been questioned in regards the MM case?

 

[Mex]

They're bringing evidence from an unrelated investigation regarding the defendant, now it's been declared does the defence get to see the alleged evidence under disclosure even though he's not been questioned in regards the MM case?

CB's legal team are beside themselves to get access to the prosecution files concerning the MM case and will stop at nothing to get access.
Why else take a day out of court time on five indictments to question a senior detective on a case for which no charges have as yet been made.

Did the senior detective have any input to any of the five cases presently under trial, because he certainly has little to say about MM.

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But S said he was unable to share details of the evidence as it was 'related to the killing' of young MM.

Madeleine McCann suspect's emails 'link him to case': investigators

The shock revelation is the first time an official working on the case has claimed to have evidence connecting Brueckner to the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine McCann

www.dailymail.co.uk

Snip
"At the core is the problem that the investigation into MM cannot be separated from the investigation into these cases which are the subject of this trial," FF said outside court.

"The federal police have just one file but the prosecution selected only certain aspects for this trial. In our view that is not legally correct and we have right to access all files in this investigation."

Madeleine McCann suspect 'pre-convicted' by media in rape trial, lawyer argues

Christian Brückner's defence says his trial is tainted by him being repeatedly linked to Madeline.

www.bbc.co.uk

The last thing the prosecution wish to do is to pre-empt or prejudice any future trial involving crime against MM on the most nebulous of pretexts.

CB's defence in the five trails are raising these unrelated issues in the hope of gaining access to the MM file even going to the extent of calling a Scotland Yard detective as a witness. Quite extraordinary!
My opinion
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A DETECTIVE working on the MM case is to give evidence in the prime suspect’s trial over unrelated sex crimes.

Det Con MD has worked on Operation Grange, the £13million probe into the case, since it was launched by then Home Secretary Theresa May in 2011.

Judge Christina Engelmann confirmed yesterday that the DC will give evidence in the trial of convicted German paedophile CB.

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[Hygge]

If you were using dark web forums to communicate, why would you bother with more open email for dubious or illegal material ?

He wasn’t that careful, his disgusting chat with PS was on a Skype chat, not in the darkweb.

 

[Davieson]

Is this not the detective who has already given evidence ?

In response to Mex post 55

 

[Hygge]

TS? No that was his first time.
The other was Mr. G

 

[Davieson]

So it appears that there were drafts of the stories appearing in das Buch that CB sent to 'friends' from his Hotmail accounts which have been legally accessed. Therefore, even if they cannot use the box factory evidence they could still use his emails. Not much lost hopefully. Jmo

If prosecution are using these emails in court, will they not need to declare all of them to the defence, as it could be argued that they were using them selectively to portray CB in a bad light ?

 

[Mex]

If prosecution are using these emails in court, will they not need to declare all of them to the defence, as it could be argued that they were using them selectively to portray CB in a bad light ?

That is the point.

Why would the prosecution use irrelevant (to these five cases) evidence? The content of the emails are allegedly about MM and the argument about the admissibility centres on whether or not evidence found in the investigation of CB concerning another missing child.
Why are either of those cases being aired in the five case trial of the moment?

Almost every objection made by the defence is a 'spoiler' which has absolutely no relevance to the present trial in progress.
The defence have made the series of complaints and it would appear that the court is obliged to give consideration to each and every one which they are doing with great diligence.

Given that there is little information emanating from the court - with certain witnesses being recalled - with uncertainty about who has testified and who has not the process can be quite perplexing.
Particularly the defence preoccupation with a case(s) for which no charges have been led as yet.

Have they thrown in the towel on the argument for the five charges made against CB in this trial realising a lost cause when they see one (or five?).
My opinion