Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #4

[Davieson]

According to a BZ article in June it was expected the court would agree to the defence in not including it.This was after hearing of the search without a warrant and a police womans boyfriend walking a dog on private property and the policewoman herself taking pictures without permission.

Maddie-Verdächtiger – Ermittler wollten Razzia fingieren

22. Prozesstag: Auf der Suche nach der vermissten Inga Gehricke geriet 2015 Christian B. in Verdacht. Die Polizei war offenkundig bereit, Gesetze zu übertreten. Das hat Folgen für die Beweisaufnahme im laufenden Prozess.

www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de

If the reports are anything like correct, it suggests some very underhand police work

 

[RichardKimble]

If the reports are anything like correct, it suggests some very underhand police work

We can only go with which is reported.

 

[frank-cole]

Too many professional reputations on the line and not enough evidence for CB to be charged for anything to do with MM. I really hope it happens but I fear it’s a snowball’s chance in hell currently.

Interesting. I think stranger abduction was always the only plausible scenario. I don’t see a sensible hypothesis to the contrary.

I have no doubt that CB was solely responsible. I think there’ll be a few investigative-to-prosecutorial challenges. Whether they have enough, whether what they have is free of trivial (yet destructive) technicalities & whether the main evidence is absolute proof of death. You & I both know that even the most incriminating evidence won’t convince some people, though.

 

[Dave55]

Not particularly - I’ll accept the final conclusions to these cases & move on. We know that FF has put in many motions to challenge how evidence was collected. As somebody who is pro-victim, i think would be a big shame if evidence in their cases was blocked from being used. That said - I don’t think there’ll be any opportunity to effectively feign doubt in the MM case because theyll likely announce a summary of what they have when they announce charges.If the evidence is compelling & they make that public - we’ll all finally be on the same page (hmm). Doesn’t mean the admissibility can’t be challenged, though.

My opinion

The point is that if he is found not guilty we do not have to accept he's innocent. That might not be a popular point of view but that's the way it is

 

[Davieson]

The point is that if he is found not guilty we do not have to accept he's innocent. That might not be a popular point of view but that's the way it is

Of course you don't, but I don't suppose CB will lose any sleep over that, if that happens to be the outcome.

 

[frank-cole]

The point is that if he is found not guilty we do not have to accept he's innocent. That might not be a popular point of view but that's the way it is

Agree. I think the majority will accept it yet still understand that it’s highly unlikely that he is factually innocent. However, ‘not guilty’ verdicts will undoubtedly be used to amplify professed issues with the prosecution & then to discredit them in the MM case, for obvious reasons.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The point is that if he is found not guilty we do not have to accept he's innocent. That might not be a popular point of view but that's the way it is

If that happens, it’s the responsibility of the prosecution who took the cases to trial without being able to prove guilt. It’s not the fault of the judge, who will assess the evidence vs the codified rules of the crime and make the judgement.

If we can’t agree on anything else, we should all agree that the prosecution are crapola. Then through that lens reassess if CB is responsible for MM’s disappearance.

 

[mrjitty]

If that happens, it’s the responsibility of the prosecution who took the cases to trial without being able to prove guilt. It’s not the fault of the judge, who will assess the evidence vs the codified rules of the crime and make the judgement.

If we can’t agree on anything else, we should all agree that the prosecution are crapola. Then through that lens reassess if CB is responsible for MM’s disappearance.

Not sure I agree with that

Historic sex offences are very difficult to prove.

I know this is boring, but we should really wait to read the Court's opinion on the evidence before we reach any conclusions.

 

[Mex]

If that happens, it’s the responsibility of the prosecution who took the cases to trial without being able to prove guilt. It’s not the fault of the judge, who will assess the evidence vs the codified rules of the crime and make the judgement.

If we can’t agree on anything else, we should all agree that the prosecution are crapola. Then through that lens reassess if CB is responsible for MM’s disappearance.

Prosecutors do not act independently from the judiciary. Probably as with trials in any jurisdiction the prosecutors present the evidence to the court - in this instance - the regional court in Braunschweig.
The courts and their judges make the decision to prosecute or not; absolutely not the prosecutor's office.

It is puzzling that you appear to advocate that once prosecutors find evidence tying a suspect to criminal activity featuring in this instance CB, they are being incompetent by indicting him.

Do you consider it appropriate for police and prosecutors to be considered incompetent for indicting suspects for evidence based sexual crimes.
Is this your opinion regarding all violent sexual crimes perpetrated by known rapists and abusers or do you consider it applicable only to CB.

The tone adopted is very dismissive of the work carried out by the agents of law and order. In particular with regard to abhorrent cold case sexual crimes. Therefore the question of whether this is a blanket covering of the opinion encompassing all perpetrators or one who has become a cause celebre.

Aligning oneself with those who are paid to debunk witness testimony in such cases is gross enough; for example the blue eyed example of identification. And there is a definite conundrum there regarding the sum of the whole.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

Not sure I agree with that

Historic sex offences are very difficult to prove.

I know this is boring, but we should really wait to read the Court's opinion on the evidence before we reach any conclusions.

I agree with that sentiment with the caveat that we are never going to find out in its entirety what will have passed during each step of the way, particularly if this trial continues at the current pace.

There is no transcript and the dropping of the arrest warrant in itself leaves a lot still open for explanation.

 

[Davieson]

Not sure I agree with that

Historic sex offences are very difficult to prove.

I know this is boring, but we should really wait to read the Court's opinion on the evidence before we reach any conclusions.

As this is the case, one might expect the prosecution to have concentrated on a single case for which they had strong evidence instead of bundling unrelated cases together in the hope that something might stick.

 

[Dave55]

If that happens, it’s the responsibility of the prosecution who took the cases to trial without being able to prove guilt. It’s not the fault of the judge, who will assess the evidence vs the codified rules of the crime and make the judgement.

If we can’t agree on anything else, we should all agree that the prosecution are crapola. Then through that lens reassess if CB is responsible for MM’s disappearance.

I don't see it as the prosections fault if a random police officer searched the box factory without getting a search warrant. That would explain how the Germans have the evidence but cannot take the case to trial. I seem to remember that whilst CB was on bail for assaulting a child he assaulted another.

Ig CB is freed I doubt he won't offend again...so will eventually find himself back in court.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I don't see it as the prosections fault if a random police officer searched the box factory without getting a search warrant. That would explain how the Germans have the evidence but cannot take the case to trial. I seem to remember that whilst CB was on bail for assaulting a child he assaulted another.

Ig CB is freed I doubt he won't offend again...so will eventually find himself back in court.

The evidence came in to the possession of the prosecutors because a random police officer searched the box factory without a warrant. Without this happening, there is no box factory evidence.

It’s all so dodgy. The police officer was obviously snooping on her strange neighbour and probably did a background check. She puts two and two together and gets five with the IG case. No evidence for that but someone else gave up his name for MM - Bingo!

 

[Davieson]

The evidence came in to the possession of the prosecutors because a random police officer searched the box factory without a warrant. Without this happening, there is no box factory evidence.

It’s all so dodgy. The police officer was obviously snooping on her strange neighbour and probably did a background check. She puts two and two together and gets five with the IG case. No evidence for that but someone else gave up his name for MM - Bingo!

Something odd there to my mind, because OG were given only CB's name in connection with MM in 2017 and yet were apparently brought in by BKA in 2016 when the 'official' Box factory search was made.
Why would that be ?