Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #5

[frank-cole]

As I said “ personally “ regarding my view of the parents and would like to think a judge would take into account the stressful nature of it being revisited again under media scrutiny .I hope and have no reason to believe the parents and policewoman who were there to not have changed their initial report to the PJ in 2007 or prior to June 2020 just in case the defence tries to use media led memory card. I hope the BKA got to do as much useful work as they could in Portugal before a certain GA decided to throw his toys out the pram and invent this supposed scapegoat because he won’t accept he was wrong.

This has been a messy trial no question and it really will go to the wire.
Dealing with cold cases in another country with no physical evidence is never going to be easy and the stop starting is frustrating. The treatment of the witnesses and victims has been shameful.

I do believe HaB recognised those eyes ,was right about his origin,height, mo , the terror aspect inflicted on DM whose jaw he broke , and the horrific assault of HaB.

CB was photographed in the exact same apartment block weeks before.I have no doubt the filmed assaults happened given their mo and the assaults on HaB and DM.
You also have CB in his own words asking for video cameras and tapes to be removed whilst in jail.

One of the big questions this trial is alleged video , be it the filming of HaB and the missing tapes of the 2 possibly 3 sa there were very likely
many more according to CP.

If the BKA do indeed have photo or video of evidence of MM with or without CB (masked) imo highlights the fact the missing video evidence listed above which has been difficult to prove leaves no doubt that the chance of the film maker being anyone other than CB , BARD .

Or you take it as another coincidence and he got it on the dark web.

I forgot about CB being photographed in Hazel’s apartment block.

In regards to the evidence in the MM case - I think you’re probably right about pictures. Closing the gap between apartment & photo seems to have been the main purpose of going public. Make sure you’ve got him at the scene to lessen the counter argument of “you can’t prove he didn’t get sent that”

Devil’s advocate - if this was not a premeditated abduction & instead was a robbery & a chance abduction, it wouldn’t have been as planned. I think he’d have comitted the crime before he was re-registering his car the next day. Imo that means the crime happened quickly & if so whether he would have had a camera close to hand. The Germans suggested they may know where MM was killed, which poses the questions - how do they know & why did they not find forensics,

As for the urinating in a park. Hard for a judge to make a ruling with complete certainty. Legally innocent conflated with factually innocent appears to be the go-to. Hes the last person in the word to innocently have his genitals out to children.

 

[frank-cole]

I didn't realise we were playing tit for tat. Rather childish in my opinion.
I don't think the Portuguese are still involved except perhaps as facilitators for Portuguese witnesses
No, this is mostly a German show and it doesn't seem to be going too well for them at present.

Not particularly - I was just tuning in to mild hypocrisy - point done. The 7 year sentence for DM’s rape is a solid reminder that the German’s being involved has brought justice to a victim & put a dangerous man behind bars. If they didn’t get involved that would never have happened. In my view justice for Diane was a good thing.

 

[Mex]

Not particularly - I was just tuning in to mild hypocrisy - point done. The 7 year sentence for DM’s rape is a solid reminder that the German’s being involved has brought justice to a victim & put a dangerous man behind bars. If they didn’t get involved that would never have happened. In my view justice for Diane was a good thing.

Very well said. It would have been great if DM's assailant could have been found earlier. But that couldn't have been done until it was known who to look for. To that end only a fellow criminal could have known enough to point the finger.
The result was Justice for DM and seven years protection for society from a prolific career criminal. What's not to like about that.

 

[johnlair]

Wasn't there something about the playground incident that they could not check his criminal history or something so let him go...I can't remember now but sure it was either in a documentary or article either way he seems very proficient at dodging the law... I don't blame Portuguese police I just think he was cunning when it came to avoiding getting caught or charged moving around alot

 

[Davieson]

Was his return to Germany under a European Arrest Warrant a result of arrest for this incident ?
If so, it could explain why the Portuguese didn't take matters further as he would have left the country.

 

[RichardKimble]

As I said “ personally “ regarding my view of the parents and would like to think a judge would take into account the stressful nature of it being revisited again under media scrutiny .I hope and have no reason to believe the parents and policewoman who were there to not have changed their initial report to the PJ in 2007 or prior to June 2020 just in case the defence tries to use media led memory card. I hope the BKA got to do as much useful work as they could in Portugal before a certain GA decided to throw his toys out the pram and invent this supposed scapegoat because he won’t accept he was wrong.

This has been a messy trial no question and it really will go to the wire.
Dealing with cold cases in another country with no physical evidence is never going to be easy and the stop starting is frustrating. The treatment of the witnesses and victims has been shameful.

I do believe HaB recognised those eyes ,was right about his origin,height, mo , the terror aspect inflicted on DM whose jaw he broke , and the horrific assault of HaB.

CB was photographed in the exact same apartment block weeks before.I have no doubt the filmed assaults happened given their mo and the assaults on HaB and DM.
You also have CB in his own words asking for video cameras and tapes to be removed whilst in jail.

One of the big questions this trial is alleged video , be it the filming of HaB and the missing tapes of the 2 possibly 3 sa there were very likely
many more according to CP.

If the BKA do indeed have photo or video of evidence of MM with or without CB (masked) imo highlights the fact the missing video evidence listed above which has been difficult to prove leaves no doubt that the chance of the film maker being anyone other than CB , BARD .

Or you take it as another coincidence and he got it on the dark web.

're the photo, was this produced in court or is it a media tale?

 

[RichardKimble]

Was his return to Germany under a European Arrest Warrant a result of arrest for this incident ?
If so, it could explain why the Portuguese didn't take matters further as he would have left the country.

Almost certainly I'd have thought .

 

[Davieson]

're the photo, was this produced in court or is it a media tale?

Whichever, does it have any real significance ? What would it prove beyond the fact that had visited some women there ?

 

[Mex]

Wasn't there something about the playground incident that they could not check his criminal history or something so let him go...I can't remember now but sure it was either in a documentary or article either way he seems very proficient at dodging the law... I don't blame Portuguese police I just think he was cunning when it came to avoiding getting caught or charged moving around alot

I think a contributory factor to CB's ability to operate beneath the radar was certainly his ability to move around.
He had contacts and business deals involving drugs going on from from one end of Europe and beyond. He arrears to have been a personable character with the ability to keep certain aspects of his nature separate from common knowledge and perhaps confined within a very small circle.
For example

• CB was violent towards women he lived with; but he was popular with women and indeed was able to molest a girlfriend's tiny daughter without her knowledge. Indeed the crime was only discovered as a result of an investigation into a serious domestic abuse attack involving a different woman
• he seems to have been popular amongst people on the fringes of society some of whom were shocked when his true nature was revealed to them. Indeed it was two of them who were responsible for grassing him in when they realised what he was

Despite his cunning he did not walk away from the playground incident. He was under police surveillance throughout (very likely initially as a measure for his own safety because he was surrounded by a group of very angry parents).
It was ascertained almost immediately that he was the subject of an European Arrest Warrant and he was held under arrest until the paperwork to send him back to Germany was cleared.
And there he remains till the present day.

 

[mrjitty]

This has been a messy trial no question and it really will go to the wire.
Dealing with cold cases in another country with no physical evidence is never going to be easy and the stop starting is frustrating. The treatment of the witnesses and victims has been shameful.

RSBM

Yes agreed. Historical offences are really hard to take to trial but I am glad they did, as there is clearly a case to answer here.

I would not speculate on the verdicts based on reporting. Nothing would really surprise me.

 

[mrjitty]

Whichever, does it have any real significance ? What would it prove beyond the fact that had visited some women there ?

It would be one more piece of circumstantial evidence.

 

[Davieson]

It would be one more piece of circumstantial evidence.

But as he was a resident of PDL, (on and off) and was probably familiar with many buildings, how would that be helpful ?

 

[JB1510]

Whichever, does it have any real significance ? What would it prove beyond the fact that had visited some women there ?

You’re right probably just another coincidence

 

[Davieson]

You’re right probably just another coincidence

Maybe, maybe not, but he he had been identified as being on the premises that night, that would be a very different matter to just having visited some months/weeks earlier.

 

[Hygge]

But as he was a resident of PDL, (on and off) and was probably familiar with many buildings, how would that be helpful ?

Praia da Rocha is Portimao so 20 km away from Praia da Luz

 

[Hygge]

Praia da Rocha is Portimao so 20 km away from Praia da Luz

Many cities and houses on the Algarve coast but he was in this special house where HB was raped

 

[Davieson]

Many cities and houses on the Algarve coast but he was in this special house where HB was raped

I understand that. I'm trying to understand how that would prove he raped her.

 

[frank-cole]

You’re right probably just another coincidence

I don’t know whether it’s media hype or legitimate but I think I read that 2 people saw CB outside Hazel’s hotel that night.

If so it’s probably just another coincidence that he was running in the area wearing black leotard.

 

[Lilly b]

Has cb chosen to remain silent, or does he not have to say anything? Is this the norm in Germany?

 

[Mex]

Was his return to Germany under a European Arrest Warrant a result of arrest for this incident ?
If so, it could explain why the Portuguese didn't take matters further as he would have left the country.

The European Arrest Warrant which led to CB's arrest at the scene of his indecent exposure was in relation to drug dealing offences committed in Germany.