Japan - Miyazawa family of 4 murdered, Setagaya, Tokyo, 30 Dec 2000 #4

[Incoherent]

From what I've read on here and from you and Nic specifically vouching that TMPD are top bar and investigated every avenue and I truly hope they expanded their nets to those on the sidelines.

RSBM: Yes, despite some of their methods that I don’t agree with and the faults they have I think they are world class.
IMO the one avenue they have not (seemingly) explored and refuse to comment further on is the one that possibly holds the key to this. I say seemingly because if they have they are not releasing the information, which isn’t uncommon for them to withhold especially if they found something.

And it is not just me, or Nic, that thinks this way either. I was scrolling through comments in Japanese on a news clip about the case and this was the top like comment translated into English:

“This incident is believed to have been committed by a foreign criminal. If it were a Japanese person, it would have been dismissed as petty theft and he would not have taken the lives of the residents. If it was a foreigner, it will become an international issue. It seems likely that politics are intervening to silence the public security forces. With all the evidence, there is no way the TMPD wouldn't be able to catch the culprit.”

Many similar comments from the Japanese public too. Make of that what you will.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

RSBM: Yes, despite some of their methods that I don’t agree with and the faults they have I think they are world class.
IMO the one avenue they have not (seemingly) explored and refuse to comment further on is the one that possibly holds the key to this. I say seemingly because if they have they are not releasing the information, which isn’t uncommon for them to withhold especially if they found something.

And it is not just me, or Nic, that thinks this way either. I was scrolling through comments in Japanese on a news clip about the case and this was the top like comment translated into English:

“This incident is believed to have been committed by a foreign criminal. If it were a Japanese person, it would have been dismissed as petty theft and he would not have taken the lives of the residents. If it was a foreigner, it will become an international issue. It seems likely that politics are intervening to silence the public security forces. With all the evidence, there is no way the TMPD wouldn't be able to catch the culprit.”

Many similar comments from the Japanese public too. Make of that what you will.

I agree as well.

I hope TMPD sifted through a large web of associations not just from the murdered family but Ann's family associations as well as large as it might be... either could expand quite large into interminglings of a foreigner far removed but close enough to feel comfortable with the house, area, familial routines/habits, Town Seven, etc.

Even if they are long gone out of Japan, someone in Japan might know something that could be a huge tip and breakthrough.

MOO - cash rewards in Canada (can't speak for US but likely similar) is used by LE usually to try to lure someone or tempt someone into a talking or a tip. It's a ploy tactic to weigh on people or associations that might know something/anything.

I don't think it's used often unless LE thinks others might know some form of information as they aren't used for all cases/crimes here. I cannot speak for Japan's use of cash rewards, but I find when done in Canada it's usually a clue to me that they have ideas but just need someone to talk or give the smallest bit of info to gain traction. JMO

 

[Incoherent]

I agree as well.

I hope TMPD sifted through a large web of associations not just from the murdered family but Ann's family associations as well as large as it might be... either could expand quite large into interminglings of a foreigner far removed but close enough to feel comfortable with the house, area, familial routines/habits, Town Seven, etc.

Even if they are long gone out of Japan, someone in Japan might know something that could be a huge tip and breakthrough.

MOO - cash rewards in Canada (can't speak for US but likely similar) is used by LE usually to try to lure someone or tempt someone into a talking or a tip. It's a ploy tactic to weigh on people or associations that might know something/anything.

I don't think it's used often unless LE thinks others might know some form of information as they aren't used for all cases/crimes here. I cannot speak for Japan's use of cash rewards, but I find when done in Canada it's usually a clue to me that they have ideas but just need someone to talk or give the smallest bit of info to gain traction. JMO

Currently there are some fairly large rewards for some wanted criminals here. The largest is for a man named Yoichi Hatta who deliberately rammed his car into two teenagers on motorbikes after an argument, killing one of them, then ran away from his car and managed to disappear completely as of two years ago. That reward stands at ¥6,000,000 or $42,000 USD for his capture. But they have CCTV of him and know essentially everything about him already.

The reward for information that leads to the capture of the faceless man is currently ¥20,000,000 or $139,000 USD. A huge difference between Japan’s current most wanted and the faceless man even after 24 years.

It’s a whole different ball game. And why might that be?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Currently there are some fairly large rewards for some wanted criminals here. The largest is for a man named Yoichi Hatta who deliberately rammed his car into two teenagers on motorbikes after an argument, killing one of them, then ran away from his car and managed to disappear completely as of two years ago. That reward stands at ¥6,000,000 or $42,000 USD for his capture. But they have CCTV of him and know essentially everything about him already.

The reward for information that leads to the capture of the faceless man is currently ¥20,000,000 or $139,000 USD. A huge difference between Japan’s current most wanted and the faceless man even after 24 years.

It’s a whole different ball game. And why might that be?

Hhhmm, I'm guessing here

So sounds like both crimes it would seem logical - ONE person out there somewhere knows something about both culprits or their involvement and/or whereabouts.

For the 'road rage' type incident, he may have some help from someone to stay hidden. So someone needs to talk.

For the faceless man, stakes are much higher and the severity of the crime, so higher reward?

I'm unsure the punishment/sentences in Japan. Are they different for let's say 2nd degree (road rage) and premeditated (Miyazawa family)?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

There is an insightful verified anthropologist poster here on WS, I'm unsure if she ever posted on this case or threads... Not that I can see but I didn't look that hard either lol... She was pretty spot on on the Idaho 4 suspect (which I oddly find slightly similar to this crime for some reason).

I'd be very curious to hear her thoughts on this killer. I'm unsure she'd delve into demographics, but maybe more personality and who they are as a person/habits (where I find myself tending to go!) Tempted to invite her to this thread.

 

[annemc2]

I miiiight have seen her pop in here? But yes, I agree - she always has super interesting and insightful viewpoints and opinions. Send out that invitation! She can always respectfully decline

You know, it had never crossed my mind to liken this case to the Idaho 4 which in retrospect is wild. Same number of people, same weapon of choice, same type of frenzied attack. I haven't followed too closely during the court shenanigans but when more info starts coming out it will be very interesting to see if there are more parallels (especially on motive and the distorted thought patterns behind it).

 

[cenazoic]

it had never crossed my mind to liken this case to the Idaho 4

Agreed, lots of interesting parallels.

The reward for information that leads to the capture of the faceless man is currently ¥20,000,000 or $139,000 USD. A huge difference between Japan’s current most wanted and the faceless man even after 24 years.

Interesting! Do we know anything about either:
1- TCMP’s policies/procedures that may cause a ‘blind spot’ ,so to speak. That might contribute to their inability to identify and/or find these two? In the Miyazawa case obviously there are potential international repercussions if the perp is not Japanese, but are there other possible reasons, using these two cases as the examples?

2- how easy is it to hide in Japan?