Gilbert Attorney: Escort's Affidavit Implicates James Burke in GB Murders

[DQN]

I'm surprised none of the reporters asked her if she knew any of the victims or other "players" in this twisted mess of a case.
I was waiting for that.

They did ask her if she knew any of the victims she said no she did not.

 

[Neptune]

All he is doing is adding weight to substantiate his motion to subpoena Dr Hackett and to be able to continue his civil lawsuit. Dr Hackett has put in the motion to dismiss the case.
Otherwise I am sure he would have waited to come forward with his witness. I agree it was premature and uncalled for to accuse JB. Not sure if the judge is going to bite it.

-Nin

This civil case is long past discovery phase and Hackett has made a motion for summary judgment – am I wrong? This move by John Ray today is a desperate play to tie Hackett to Burke and both to the murders of many people.

This is Ray’s wacky equation:
Shannan + Hackett + Oak Beach = Hackett + ((Burke - 20 years ago) + pay for sex + OB parties) = 2 serial killers of 10 people some dismembered and others wrapped in burlap + (Shannan + paid for sex + OB party)

John Ray is using buzzwords to make his case, not evidence.

Leanne’s affidavit, which I actually believe, does not in any way give Ray’s case against Hackett “weight”. It makes it less credible. Making the sweeping assumption that 2 people are involved in a serious crime together because they worked for the same organization on the same case 20 years ago is called "reaching" and it shows poor judgment. If Ray had actual evidence of Hackett and Burke knowing and interacting with each other in the pertinent timeframe that would be a different matter entirely. Sorry, Nin.

 

[Neptune]

It does not look like Feinberg owned property in Oak Beach.

-Nin

58 Savannah Walk - Oak Beach
40°38'19.42"N 73°17'33.22"W

But I think this info is old.

 

[shadowraiths]

Okay, finally had time to sit down and watch today's press release. Here is my take.

For starters, I am admittedly not a big fan of JR, due to his tendency to jump to unsubstantiated conclusions and the whole grandstanding bit. For example, his "speech" to the alleged SK during Shannan's funeral, was, to my mind, bizarre, and made him look more like a morbid attention seeking creepy clown than someone to be taken seriously. But that is just me. As for his present claim that Burke "is now within the circle of suspicion?"

All that I can say is, ORLY?

Seriously, afaics, the man has really stooped to a new low by prostituting Leanne in today's media stunt.

Oh, and. Speaking of Leanne?

I, personally, believe her. Primarily bc her explanation of why she got into the business, to "pay for school", echoes another escort from the NYC area that I encountered ages ago.

The latter was a high-end escort who serviced 2, maybe 3, clients. Importantly, sex was a very small part of their relationship. That, and she was paid beau-coup bucks. So, it wasn't all that surprising that she used her looks to pay her way through school. One could argue she was similar to the high-end escort portrayed on the fictionalized, Criminal Minds episode, "Pleasure is my Business," though, imho, she was, by far, more beautiful than the actress who starred in that particular show.

But, I digress.

The point is, I think Leanne seemed genuine. As for what she revealed? If the individual she encountered was, in fact, James Burke... not really surprising. Recall from episode 8, there are allegations that SCPD regularly partied at Gilgo & Oak Beach, and one of SCPD's 'so-called' watering holes was the Gossip Nightclub in Melville, which allegedly included escort "services," at one point in time. So, if anything, imho, Leanne's claim seems to support Hawk's claims.

As for JR's allusion of Burke as serial killer? Doubtful, imho. From what I know of the man (which is admittedly very little) and as sex-addicted as he allegedly is, he doesn't strike me as either the butcher or someone who needed to troll the waters of CL or BP, or any other online ad site for sex. The latter is bc it would be quite unnecessary for someone in his position as a LEO, along with allegations that he tended to abduct/rape his alleged victims. Which points more toward impulsivity as opposed to planning.

With this in mind, I do think it is possible he could have been involved with or known what occurred to Shannan. Primarily bc he could have encountered her at Brewer's party. That is, assuming he was actually at Brewer's party.

Anyway, that's where I'm at with this latest revelation, at this point in time. At least, until further information argues otherwise.

 

[LikeAHunter]

A woman was called a liar when she came forward. Would LE call her a liar if she gave them a name they were unfamiliar with? I dont think so.

Good point!

And on that note, just look at the public response to her story already. She basically described a sexual assault in which she was inebriated (i.e. unable to consent), choked through forced oral sex, called a *advertiser censored* and then thrown money at. But she is being met with doubt because of decisions her lawyer made, called a liar, and is being accused of damaging the reputation of someone who everyone already knows is a . And she didn't even accuse Burke of being a killer; she accused him of having a god complex and being above the law.

This is an all too familiar scenario for many women. And the sad truth is that if Shannon, Maureen, Melissa, Megan, or Amber came forward about an assault from a john and said, "I'm worried that this guy is dangerous," no one would have cared then either.

As a sex worker (or former sex worker), Leanne very well could have been a murder victim. And isn't that the point of Lost Girls and The Killing Season? We need to have compassion for these women before they become victims. They're not just hookers and drug addicts; they are people. We need to believe them when they tell their stories.

To be clear, I'm not saying we need to make the leap and say, "Burke is the LISK!" What I am saying is that Leeanne came forward to tell a story of sexual assault that many women would never want to go public with, and that is never an easy thing to do. I believe her.

 

[DQN]

BBM


Which is exactly why you don't see more people pulling this kind of stunt. It’s called having professional and ethical standards.

Ray did not "safely point fingers" -- he outright accused Burke of killing. Without a speck of evidence. Since when is it OK to make accusations against someone with absolutely no proof? Since when is it OK to “keep something alive” in the media by whatever means necessary? Here's the answer from someone who is professionally trained in media relations and was a F500 PR practitioner for years: It is not OK.

Secure your undisputed evidence, file your court motions, THEN call your press conference.

John Ray DID NOT outright accuse James Burke when asked he said " POSSIBLY"

 

[Neptune]

John Ray DID NOT outright accuse James Burke when asked he said " POSSIBLY"

You seem to not understand how "messaging" is crafted when speaking to the press. The premise of this entire interview was based on context and not evidence.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/marymurphymystery/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED - About 19 minutes in.

John Ray's direct quotes are on record with mics and cameras in front of him:

"Jimmy Burke is directly involved in prostitution at Oak Beach... It finally brings the direct connection between Burke and those poor dead victims lying along Ocean Parkway and Shannan Gilbert."

"I say that now Jimmy Burke is now moved into the circle of suspect in direct relation to the deaths of those victims".​

Reporter: Are you outright accusing Jimmy Burke of possibly being the Gilgo Beach Killer?

John Ray: "Yes".
​

In the context of all the glaring statements John Ray made in his 48-minute press conference, you think an audience is going to pick up on the word "possibly" spoken by a reporter?

And there's more. In reference to Peter Hackett, John Ray states:

"Dr. Peter Hackett lives in Oak Beach. The bodies -- uh, one -- were found only several yards from his house."
​

If you have been following this case, you know that is an absolute lie. Shannan's body was found 1/3 of a mile across a marsh from Hackett's house and about 30 other houses. The other bodies were found 5.5 miles from Oak Beach.

 

[Neptune]

Every address in Oak Beach has 2 addresses -- 1 that can be used to find the property on a map and the other to search property/public records.

Here is what I found for Feingold in Oak Beach:

To search on Google Earth:
58 Savannah Walk - Oak Beach
40°38'19.42"N 73°17'33.22"W

To look up in public records:
4309 Oak Beach, Oak Beach NY 11702

Here are sources to people associated with the "4309":

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?a...age4.x=69&Image4.y=12&city=OAK+BEACH&state=NY

http://nyabandonedaccounts.com/r/zeZUob/ROBERT++STRICOFF/4309+OAK+BCH+OAK+BEACH+NY+11702

http://multimedia.fishq.info/special-sections/Unclaimed Property 08.31.16.pdf
(When you get to page, do ctrl+f and plug in 4309 or find Friends of Steve Bellone)

 

[Puggle]

Yes it was. He used the word *advertiser censored* and half-breed.

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She said ...he said *advertiser censored*.....I never heard her say ...he said halfbreed.

 

[fred&edna]

58 Savannah Walk - Oak Beach
40°38'19.42"N 73°17'33.22"W

But I think this info is old.

'Just to clarify (since NIN was responding to my post)

There were two different people mentioned and some people were wondering if "Leanne" was confused as to the actual name. Somewhat similar names: Feinberg (suicide by train/Suffolk employee accused of sexual abuse, did not own OB property - see link below) AND Feingold (former owner of Savannah Walk property in OB)

http://www.indyeastend.com/Articles...-Action-Continues-After-Apparent-Suicide.html

 

[mcme]

Every address in Oak Beach has 2 addresses -- 1 that can be used to find the property on a map and the other to search property/public records.

Here is what I found for Feingold in Oak Beach:

To search on Google Earth:
58 Savannah Walk - Oak Beach
40°38'19.42"N 73°17'33.22"W

To look up in public records:
4309 Oak Beach, Oak Beach NY 11702

Here are sources to people associated with the "4309":

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?a...age4.x=69&Image4.y=12&city=OAK+BEACH&state=NY

http://nyabandonedaccounts.com/r/zeZUob/ROBERT++STRICOFF/4309+OAK+BCH+OAK+BEACH+NY+11702

http://multimedia.fishq.info/special-sections/Unclaimed Property 08.31.16.pdf
(When you get to page, do ctrl+f and plug in 4309 or find Friends of Steve Bellone)

Mail isn't delivered to the homes out there. one is a physical address, the other numbers are the homes po box out on the main street. It goes with the home.

 

[Niamert lyrehc]

She said ...he said *advertiser censored*.....I never heard her say ...he said halfbreed.

It was in a village voice article but I can't find the link anymore. Here's a screenshot of a WSer discussing it...

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[Mountain_Kat]

Umm...did I hear correctly? Did a reporter ask if the home this encounter took place in belonged to someone named Feingold?

Fine gold. Hmmm.

 

[Niamert lyrehc]

Umm...did I hear correctly? Did a reporter ask if the home this encounter took place in belonged to someone named Feingold?

Fine gold. Hmmm.

I remember her being asked where this told place and she seemed a bit unsure of the pronunciation but ultimately said she thought it belong to a guy named Fiengold.

Her hesitation is why I wondered if maybe she misremembered and meant Fienburg. So, some better sleuths than me came up with info about home ownership on OB and apparently FB didn't own property there.

If she meant FG it's not very credible because he died many years earlier. Perhaps another FG? A relative?

Yes you read right Fiengold as in fine gold or dare I say? Precious Dust.

Wasn't that one of PD POI once upon a time??

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[Niamert lyrehc]

I'm still getting used to this Tap a talk ap. Is there a way to go back and edit after posting?

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[Niamert lyrehc]

I do my best proofreading AFTER I post! Lol

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[NY Ranger Fan]

Feingold is important to the case, he's a Brewer family associate going back decades. I knew he had an OB house as well as a large home on the mainland.

 

[Neptune]

'Just to clarify (since NIN was responding to my post)
There were two different people mentioned and some people were wondering if "Leanne" was confused as to the actual name. Somewhat similar names: Feinberg (suicide by train/Suffolk employee accused of sexual abuse, did not own OB property - see link below) AND Feingold (former owner of Savannah Walk property in OB)
http://www.indyeastend.com/Articles...-Action-Continues-After-Apparent-Suicide.html

The name referenced on the affidavit was Feingold (no first name) -- so I just found public records related to Oak Beach and Feingold and there was only one: 58 Savannah Walk. The other surname associated with that address was Stricoff and the organization Friends of Steve Bellone.

Mail isn't delivered to the homes out there. one is a physical address, the other numbers are the homes po box out on the main street. It goes with the home.

Good info. I was just pointing out that in the public record search sites the physical address yields no results.

 

[bessie]

The name referenced on the affidavit was Feingold (no first name) -- so I just found public records related to Oak Beach and Feingold and there was only one: 58 Savannah Walk. The other surname associated with that address was Stricoff and the organization Friends of Steve Bellone.


Good info. I was just pointing out that in the public record search sites the physical address yields no results.

Friends of Steve Bellone, huh. It gets deeper at each turn. Those must have been some wild fundraisers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org

http://libn.com/2014/09/10/amid-da-investigation-stricoff-delays-suffolk-ida-move/

ETA: Not to stray off topic, but...this article is from June 2011. I don't have time to analyze it right now, but the timing of the heated Suffolk County race is interesting.

http://archive.longislandpress.com/2011/06/16/suffolk-county-executive-race-heats-up/

ETA: When skeletons start popping up -- literally -- during the middle of a heated, controversial campaign for Suffolk County Executive; and if Neptune's research is correct, and the house indicated by Leanne is linked to Stricoff, a childhood crony of Steve Bellone (the winner) and his campaign manager; flares light up my vision like the Fourth of July. It's also worth mentioning that during the same time, (roughly spring-fall 2011, while bodies were unearthed along the shore) the incumbent was taken down by Spota over campaign fund shenanigans. For a reason never revealed, however, Spota chose not to pursue an indictment. Why not? Bribery? Pay off? Or a threat to expose what the bad boys were up to? Remember, Spota named Burke chief.

I wish everyone would read over the links, especially the third one, and tell me if you think I'm blowing smoke. It's okay. Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Ptab01]

Did Attorney John Ray time this to coincide w/ The DNA match of Hempstead Lake park torso "Peaches" & Gilgo Beach remains the other day?

Back to James Burke is there a detailed history on James Burke - I have seen a bunch of material that paints a brutal picture but is verifiable?