Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #3

[NonameLurker]

Reading over the court documents and something about the springfieldman9@aol.com burner email seemed off to me. To preface, I am not trying to make any direct connections between the GB4 and any other cases, but I hope you see my thought process and maybe something to keep in mind as more information is released.

What initially caught my attention was the use of “springfieldman” after watching/reading about the AC/Eastbound Strangler case. In the AC case one of the suspects, Eldred R. Burchell, was going around town telling people he was the AC killer and was calling himself the “Riverman”. Some have suspected this was in homage to the Green River Killer, however it's important to note Burchell has never been formally connected to the Eastbound victims. That said, the moniker “Riverman” has stuck throughout the years.

So why is Springfieldman relevant? My first thought is maybe it's a location and sure there are plenty of cities/towns named Springfield in the US, but I’ve only come across one that has a strong serial killer connection.. Springfield Mass. Alfred Gaynor is a convicted serial rapist and killer who murdered 9 women in Springfield from 1995-1998. So now I’m thinking, did RH use “Springfieldman9” as homage to Gaynor for the 9 women he killed? That alone could be pure coincidence, but then I learned Gaynor makes and sells artwork from prison.

One piece of his artwork really caught my attention entitled “Murder Beach” (about 1/2 way down the article) drawn 12/9/2008. All of Gaynor’s murders happened far from the ocean and sure the most likely scenario is these are just the bad drawing of a crazy man… but this apparent connection with the burner email plus the fact that Maureen Brainard-Barnes was missing and most likely killed/dumbed at Gilgo Beach prior to this drawing and some of the artwork we’ve seen come out of RH’s house in addition to the known research RH has done on his own case raises a question in my head… Has RH ever been in contact with Gaynor, was this drawing a request or at least inspired by any potential communications RH had with Gaynor. At the minimum, I believe RH must have researched/learned from publicly available information on Gaynor to improve his own crimes.

Curious if anyone else has come across any potential connections between RH and other serial killers either through communications or moniker usage such as Springfieldman9? If I am being a complete idiot and reading too much into things please tell me lol.

 

[LongIsland731]

how about clamming? then he could be out with a shovel.... are the shellfish polluted? I guess as a planner, he could pre-dig a grave which would make the dumping act fast- not sure if he would need a tide chart too. He could also try to figure out the times there were patrols if they were not random and go out to avoid them, or go out in bad weather with bad visibility but not sure if that would have attracted police to a vehicle, thinking some one was in distress.

Red ex's are the gilgo 4. I Marked in green knows clamming spots that i have used and that are known to others. the one closest to the bodies is known as hemlock cove. There's a big boat party called hemstock happens every year int he summer. 100 to 150 boats full of young people go park their boats and party about 300 yards from where the bodies were found.


This is a terrible pick. But these is hemlock cove during "hemstock" i have clammed here a bunch of times just using my feet to feel them. I have clammed during hemstock even.

 

[Scotch]

I’m honestly surprised that they were eligible for food stamps given that he has a well-paying job. Here in GA I got denied trying to apply for food stamps a few years ago; I don’t own my own house and definitely don’t have a well-paying job like an architect. Must be different in NY, although I’m curious as to how much of his money went to help support his family and whether or not his wife had any idea of how much he was actually making.

JMO

If he was committing tax fraud and owed so much in back taxes, and faking injuries from manufactured accidents, and was using his step-son's disability to further the financial fraud schemes, it doesn't surprise me that he found a way to "qualify" for assistance. Maybe his wife, using her maiden name, qualified on her own having a son with a disability. But, what a great way to mingle in the food stamps (early on) and EBT cards (later on) when he would steal them from the women he killed, assuming they had them in their purses/wallets. Just an opinion, but the guy wasn't honest about much.

 

[Soulmagent]

Looking at a new dataset today. This one is an FBI unsolved dataset. Unfortunately it is not so granular as to show heights. I've limited the analysis to: age 17-28; female; strangulation or suffocation MO; NY, SC, NV (due to RH properties); 1990 onwards. Not sure why 2011 is the latest.

View attachment 435798

This is awsome.
Probably only helpful for seeking funding though. IMO and not to be mean either. It's too narrow and targets the most likely age subset to be murdered in America at this time. It is not helpful to the overall case at all.
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[White_Rabbit]

I am having some trouble uploading photos right now so maybe someone else can post them. Did anyone else notice a resemblance to Melissa Barthelemy and the painting they removed? Might be way off but wanted to know your thoughts? JMO

ETA pictures

I see a resemblance.

 

[Scotch]

Reading over the court documents and something about the springfieldman9@aol.com burner email seemed off to me. To preface, I am not trying to make any direct connections between the GB4 and any other cases, but I hope you see my thought process and maybe something to keep in mind as more information is released.

What initially caught my attention was the use of “springfieldman” after watching/reading about the AC/Eastbound Strangler case. In the AC case one of the suspects, Eldred R. Burchell, was going around town telling people he was the AC killer and was calling himself the “Riverman”. Some have suspected this was in homage to the Green River Killer, however it's important to note Burchell has never been formally connected to the Eastbound victims. That said, the moniker “Riverman” has stuck throughout the years.

So why is Springfieldman relevant? My first thought is maybe it's a location and sure there are plenty of cities/towns named Springfield in the US, but I’ve only come across one that has a strong serial killer connection.. Springfield Mass. Alfred Gaynor is a convicted serial rapist and killer who murdered 9 women in Springfield from 1995-1998. So now I’m thinking, did RH use “Springfieldman9” as homage to Gaynor for the 9 women he killed? That alone could be pure coincidence, but then I learned Gaynor makes and sells artwork from prison.

One piece of his artwork really caught my attention entitled “Murder Beach” (about 1/2 way down the article) drawn 12/9/2008. All of Gaynor’s murders happened far from the ocean and sure the most likely scenario is these are just the bad drawing of a crazy man… but this apparent connection with the burner email plus the fact that Maureen Brainard-Barnes was missing and most likely killed/dumbed at Gilgo Beach prior to this drawing and some of the artwork we’ve seen come out of RH’s house in addition to the known research RH has done on his own case raises a question in my head… Has RH ever been in contact with Gaynor, was this drawing a request or at least inspired by any potential communications RH had with Gaynor. At the minimum, I believe RH must have researched/learned from publicly available information on Gaynor to improve his own crimes.

Curious if anyone else has come across any potential connections between RH and other serial killers either through communications or moniker usage such as Springfieldman9? If I am being a complete idiot and reading too much into things please tell me lol.

I'm wondering if he was just fond of the Springfield 9mm handguns.

 

[LongIsland731]

Reading over the court documents and something about the springfieldman9@aol.com burner email seemed off to me. To preface, I am not trying to make any direct connections between the GB4 and any other cases, but I hope you see my thought process and maybe something to keep in mind as more information is released.

What initially caught my attention was the use of “springfieldman” after watching/reading about the AC/Eastbound Strangler case. In the AC case one of the suspects, Eldred R. Burchell, was going around town telling people he was the AC killer and was calling himself the “Riverman”. Some have suspected this was in homage to the Green River Killer, however it's important to note Burchell has never been formally connected to the Eastbound victims. That said, the moniker “Riverman” has stuck throughout the years.

So why is Springfieldman relevant? My first thought is maybe it's a location and sure there are plenty of cities/towns named Springfield in the US, but I’ve only come across one that has a strong serial killer connection.. Springfield Mass. Alfred Gaynor is a convicted serial rapist and killer who murdered 9 women in Springfield from 1995-1998. So now I’m thinking, did RH use “Springfieldman9” as homage to Gaynor for the 9 women he killed? That alone could be pure coincidence, but then I learned Gaynor makes and sells artwork from prison.

One piece of his artwork really caught my attention entitled “Murder Beach” (about 1/2 way down the article) drawn 12/9/2008. All of Gaynor’s murders happened far from the ocean and sure the most likely scenario is these are just the bad drawing of a crazy man… but this apparent connection with the burner email plus the fact that Maureen Brainard-Barnes was missing and most likely killed/dumbed at Gilgo Beach prior to this drawing and some of the artwork we’ve seen come out of RH’s house in addition to the known research RH has done on his own case raises a question in my head… Has RH ever been in contact with Gaynor, was this drawing a request or at least inspired by any potential communications RH had with Gaynor. At the minimum, I believe RH must have researched/learned from publicly available information on Gaynor to improve his own crimes.

Curious if anyone else has come across any potential connections between RH and other serial killers either through communications or moniker usage such as Springfieldman9? If I am being a complete idiot and reading too much into things please tell me lol.

In my opinion, this is a reference to the Springfield M1903 rifle. Which was the standard issue rifle for the US military from 1903 to 1936. Its a great rifle and clean examples are highly sought after by gun collectors.

M1903 Springfield - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Momoffourboys]

A couple of photos of the beach area off Ocean Parkway
(personal photos attached)

 

[overkosten]

So, RH was not yet charged in the murder of MBB, but that seems like it might happen in the very near future. MBB was very likely his first victim (certainly first of the famed Gilgo 4 predating the other three by two years). Its worth noting that the belt with the "WH" initial (presumably belonging to his late father William Heuerman), was taken off the body of MBB, as the others were mentioned being bound by duct tape and not belts. According to the bail document; the buckle of that "WH" belt had the hair of RH's wife on it - meaning it was probably from the house where they both resided and not stored away on some closet or storage bin or storage unit that his wife did not frequent. The belt was out in plain sight in their house to the point where a hair of his wife's could thankfully find its way on it. If the belt was in plain sight, one would think the "WH" initials would be seen at some point by anyone in the house visiting, or otherwise. The photos of the initials were all over the TV and newspaper the days after the SCPD released those photos. A friend of mine in SC even saw it on the news as did its his dad too.
Also interesting in the MBB case, is that she is the only one of the four not associated with the duck blind camouflage burlap. We know from the bail docs that it mentions only 3 of the 4 girls in burlap and that two of the victims had hairs removed from the burlap (Waterman and Costello mentioned by name). Furthermore, we know that canine unit PO who initially found the Barthelemy body specifically mentioned 'disintegrated burlap'. So that leaves MBB as the sole outlier. She was two full ears prior to the other 3 girls, bound with three belts instead of duct tape, and picked up from NYC (not Long Island motels like the other girls). The use of a family object like a custom belt hints that RH grabbed what was laying around in a pinch, and perhaps what happened to MBB was not planned for and his initial killing was not as premeditated as other years later. MOO. Anyone who googles a picture of the duck-blind camo burlap and is familiar with the brush on the side of Ocean parkway will see an absolutely perfect match and one that clearly shows a well thought out and premeditated choice. The duck blind camo isn't your typical army camo, it matches the tans and brown grasses of ocean marsh brush identically (see photo attached) - and is designed to do so as that is where these duck blinds typically are located. We see a killer evolving, preparing for his next kills, fine tuning, being a little more meticulous, but luckily not meticulous enough.

Duck blinds....Wasn't there some mention of "narrowed it down to two members of the duck hunting club" in the killing season?

 

[NyxNY]

Montauk boys as in Montauk project. I’ll warn you it’s a very deep rabbit hole you may not want to venter into but extremely interesting and possibly connected to Long Island having so many serial killers in such close proximity.

I encourage you to watch The OA on Netflix. Fiction, but along these lines

 

[adbou00]

Does anyone local or anyone who followed the Eve Brown case know if her case was ever solved? I came across a website regarding her case and a possible connection to LISK a few years back. What's interesting her parents lived in North Massapequa. PREGNANT WOMAN’S ‘99 SLAY REOPENED

 

[CityKid]

Human skeletal remains found in woods off Long Island highway: State police

Skeletal remains were found in a wooded area just feet away from a busy Long Island highway, the New York State Police said.

www.nbcnewyork.com

Found 7-13-2023

This appears to be unrelated. He's been identified. He disappeared after a party in April.

Remains found on LI highway ID’d as man who vanished from Native American reservation

Family members were told authorities were treating the case as a homicide because of the “horrific violence” found at the scene.

nypost.com

 

[fidgeypie]

Manhattan, New York County, New York

Unidentified white Female

NamUs #UP5703
Date of Discovery: February 10, 2003
Location of Discovery: Manhattan, New York County, New York
Estimated Date of Death: 1970 to 2003
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton
Cause of Death: Homicide by strangulation

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 15-21 years old. Several of her teeth and bones had not reached full maturity, suggesting she was between 17 and 19 years old.
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 5'1", Estimated
Weight: Unknown
Hair Color: Light-colored, possible red.
Eye Color: Unknown

Distinguishing Marks/Features: Petite build.

Dental- She had expensive dental work at one point in her life, but her teeth also had severe decay, suggesting she may have been from a family of means but may have fallen on hard times.

Clothing: Bra (size 32A) and pantyhose.

Jewelry: Yellow metal ring with the initials "P Mc. G" May be read as P G Mc. A 1966 Bulova watch.

Additional Personal Items: 1969 (some sources state 1968) dime found with the remains. An International Ladies Garment Workers tag of a type sewn into clothing in 1988 was recovered with the victim, as well as a plastic toy soldier that could not be exactly dated.

Circumstances of Discovery
The victim's skeletal remains had been wrapped in a rug and concealed under a layer of relatively fresh concrete, which itself was hidden behind an old coal-burning furnace in the basement of a rundown, mostly abandoned apartment building on West 46th Street in Hell's Kitchen on Manhattan's West Side.

Police say the building was used by prostitutes and that the basement could be reached from several points inside, as well as through a steel trap door in an adjacent parking lot.

The killer had bound her hands and feet with an extension cord and circled it around her neck, then wrapped her body in a patch of rust-colored carpet.

Possibly of Irish descent. The victim may have abused drugs, and possibly worked as a prostitute, as scraps of glittery clothing were recovered at the scene.

Status: Fingerprint information is currently not available

Status: Dental information / charting is available and entered

DNA Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete

Investigating Agencies

Case Contributors

Angela Soler, Forensic Anthropologist
Office of Chief Medical Examiner New York City
(212) 447-2030

NamUs Contact
The Regional Program Specialist contact for this case is Lori Bruski
(817) 718-7904
Lori.Bruski@unthsc.edu
NamUs #UP5703

Information Source(s)
NamUs #UP5703

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

What about this doe, struck by the plastic soldier found at the scene, early precursor to dolls?

 

[Friday13]

I’m sure it’s been said before but does anyone think he lurked here or even had a profile on here?

 

[svpernin]

I’m sure it’s been said before but does anyone think he lurked here or even had a profile on here?

I think it’s highly likely that he lurked and I would not be the least bit surprised (but would be very creeped out) if he posted.

 

[LongIsland731]

I’m sure it’s been said before but does anyone think he lurked here or even had a profile on here?

I suspect he did. Mainly because a lot of google searches lead here. If he was obsessively googling the case he must have at one point ended up here.

 

[Friday13]

I think it’s highly likely that he lurked and I would not be the least bit surprised (but would be very creeped out) if he posted.

Creeped out indeed!

 

[x_files]

Just the NY Post article, but I don’t think someone would come forward admitting publicly that they had a felony record, a drug addiction and were escorting unless they are being truthful. I don’t know if he shared much detail but I find it interesting that he brought up LISK with this girl, just like he did with the young interior designer that he had met through a networking group in Manhattan. He must’ve gotten off seeing the reactions of these women when the then-unsolved murders were brought up, I’m sure it was an incredible power trip for him to know he was “known” to everyone, especially these women without being KNOWN. Sick.

Even if she tipped off a cop, would they have even believed her? Some of The Long Island cops seemed very dismissive if the documentaries Lost Girls and Killing Season are indeed correct.

Cops Ignored Crucial Tip about ‘Ogre’ in Chevrolet For Over a Decade in Long Island Serial Killer Case: Reports

For over a decade, Suffolk County law enforcement disregarded a crucial tip in the gruesome Gilgo Beach murders case, neglecting to act upon a general description of the suspect and the make and model of the car he drove. According to the New York Post, when a new task force reexamined the...

www.crimeonline.com

 

[Lex141]

In my opinion, this is a reference to the Springfield M1903 rifle. Which was the standard issue rifle for the US military from 1903 to 1936. Its a great rifle and clean examples are highly sought after by gun collectors.

M1903 Springfield - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Manhattan, New York County, New York

Unidentified white Female

NamUs #UP5703
Date of Discovery: February 10, 2003
Location of Discovery: Manhattan, New York County, New York
Estimated Date of Death: 1970 to 2003
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton
Cause of Death: Homicide by strangulation

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 15-21 years old. Several of her teeth and bones had not reached full maturity, suggesting she was between 17 and 19 years old.
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 5'1", Estimated
Weight: Unknown
Hair Color: Light-colored, possible red.
Eye Color: Unknown

Distinguishing Marks/Features: Petite build.

Dental- She had expensive dental work at one point in her life, but her teeth also had severe decay, suggesting she may have been from a family of means but may have fallen on hard times.

Clothing: Bra (size 32A) and pantyhose.

Jewelry: Yellow metal ring with the initials "P Mc. G" May be read as P G Mc. A 1966 Bulova watch.

Additional Personal Items: 1969 (some sources state 1968) dime found with the remains. An International Ladies Garment Workers tag of a type sewn into clothing in 1988 was recovered with the victim, as well as a plastic toy soldier that could not be exactly dated.

Circumstances of Discovery
The victim's skeletal remains had been wrapped in a rug and concealed under a layer of relatively fresh concrete, which itself was hidden behind an old coal-burning furnace in the basement of a rundown, mostly abandoned apartment building on West 46th Street in Hell's Kitchen on Manhattan's West Side.

Police say the building was used by prostitutes and that the basement could be reached from several points inside, as well as through a steel trap door in an adjacent parking lot.

The killer had bound her hands and feet with an extension cord and circled it around her neck, then wrapped her body in a patch of rust-colored carpet.

Possibly of Irish descent. The victim may have abused drugs, and possibly worked as a prostitute, as scraps of glittery clothing were recovered at the scene.

Status: Fingerprint information is currently not available

Status: Dental information / charting is available and entered

DNA Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete

Investigating Agencies

Case Contributors

Angela Soler, Forensic Anthropologist
Office of Chief Medical Examiner New York City
(212) 447-2030

NamUs Contact
The Regional Program Specialist contact for this case is Lori Bruski
(817) 718-7904
Lori.Bruski@unthsc.edu
NamUs #UP5703

Information Source(s)
NamUs #UP5703

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

What about this doe, struck by the plastic soldier found at the scene, early precursor to dolls?

This is a case that haunts me. They were never able to place a date on that toy soldier . Artifacts date from I believe a 1968-1969 dime and a garment label they ID as 1988. Bag of Rat poison as well. The building is no longer there but RH had access all over the NYC metro area w his work. My mind also went immediately to this case when RH was arrested.

 

[x_files]

I’m sure it’s been said before but does anyone think he lurked here or even had a profile on here?

yes