Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #7

[margarita25]

I’m just saying his MO with sex workers indicates targeting easy prey, ones less likely to be missed.

qmfr, gah reading back and cringing, this part was not written well, I said “I’m just saying his MO with sex workers indicates targeting easy prey, ones less likely to be missed”, important caveat and revision should be “I’m just saying his MO with sex workers indicates targeting easy prey, victims HE THINKS may be less likely to be missed.”

In other words we know these victims are real people, with people who love and miss them. He was VERY wrong IF he thought...

Just wanted to clarify that, sometimes you the something and it’s like omg that did not come out the way I was intending.

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PS these developments with LISK are some of the most exciting things I’ve ever experienced on WS. Of course anytime a killer is caught, or a victim ID’d it is a victory, but this is, well you know.

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[Baby baby Jane]

Agreed. I think there was a place he brought them before he killed them too. Doing so in a car or outside would be a huge risk because someone could just drive or walk right by him. He needed privacy to commit his heinous crimes.

The National Park Service (631-281-3010) permits waterfowl hunting from the Fire Island National Seashore. Wertheim National Wildlife Refuge is located on the south shore of Long Island in Suffolk County. This area offers deer and youth turkey hunting opportunities. State and refuge permits are required.

I wonder if there are any buildings his company started working on, but then never finished or abandoned the site?

Babylon Marsh Hunting Area Dept of Conservation Hunting Area next to Gilgo Beach. It’s a Duck hunting area and a reason to have Hunting burlap - It is legal to duck hunt (possibly deer) along Babylon Marsh, fire island /cap tree beaches in Winter. Duck hunters use huts, tents, boats which are camouflaged with burlap. They would be loading and unloading vehicles in these areas without being suspicious. Hunting would be a reason to be in remote beach areas, creeping around in darkness and a reason why a person would know the access roads. Only in Winter & Perhaps a reason why different types of body dumps as Summer, the nights are short and many people around. Fall & Winter long nights and isolation … hunters don’t really approach or talk to other hunters.
So it’s possible duck hunting would provide knowledge, access, and reason to be out in these areas and for having large objects wrapped in burlap - shelter/tent?. But not in Summer. Doesn’t give a reason to be lurking in May (Shannan)
Looks like hunters must be permitted ..

Long Island Public Hunting Areas

This page displays maps of public hunting areas on Long Island.

www.dec.ny.gov

 

[margarita25]

Agreed. I think there was a place he brought them before he killed them too. Snipped He needed privacy to commit his heinous crimes.

Agreed, was going to say the same thing.

Sadly I don’t think a quick assault in a car is what he was after. (How bad is it to preface something like that with “sadly”)

I think he possibly took time with his victims, evident by a few things including his propensity to “taunt”, as seen with his calls to victims’ family members, etc.

 

[dotr]

Agreed, was going to say the same thing.

Sadly I don’t think a quick assault in a car is what he was after. (How bad is it to preface something like that with “sadly”)

I think he possibly took time with his victims, evident by a few things including his propensity to “taunt”, as seen with his calls to victims’ family members, etc.

Thinking of cars and wondering if he had a private garage where he could take them?
He could drive right in so the car is not visible, have various 'accessories' handy, privacy and maybe sound proofing too. imo.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Thinking of cars and wondering if he had a private garage where he could take them?
He could drive right in so the car is not visible, have various 'accessories' handy, privacy and maybe sound proofing too. imo.

Did someone already mention access to empty house/building as part of architect business at the time?

 

[DetectiveDraper]

Would his daughter not quailfy for unemployment? If it was a legit job ,that should be a legit option . They do need an Advocate, at least one of those can help them figure out all their options .

If your dad bring a serial killer doesn't qualify you for unemployment what would!!

 

[CuriousCricket]

Here's a few interesting links on DNA

Discovery of DNA Double Helix: Watson and Crick

The landmark ideas of Watson and Crick relied heavily on the work of other scientists. What did the duo actually discover?

www.nature.com

The Discovery of the Double Helix, 1951-1953

profiles.nlm.nih.gov

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1469605321990115

https://www.law.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Admissibility_of_DNA_Evidence_in_Court.pdf

Thanks. Also on CBS's "FBI" last night was a reminder that conclusions drawn in early cell phone tracking could have landed the wrong person in jail. That's why the exact tracking information and distances MUST be presented to the jury. I've always wondered how many men paid child support for another man's child in the earliest days of 12- and 25-marker DNA y matching. Now, matching doesn't really start until 37 marker, 111 is much better and the "Big Y 700" considered today's best. But what about court decisions made 20 years ago?

 

[investigatefred]

It has been said that most serial killers start killing in their mid 20's to early 30's; Based on his search history, I wonder if he didn't start off by killing young girls (10-12 year olds) in the late 80's, early 90's? Then realizing it was too risky because everyone looked for the missing children, he turned to the escorts, for they were less likely to be reported missing or looked for. He chose them because they were petite, young women who represented the children he truly sought.

I hope they look deeply into the many cold cases of the children killed in the area back then.

All MOO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'm after rH and I'll take what I can find because there is no real new information. looking at older stuff..

particularly interested in finding his man cave if it exists..

He has the property in Chester, SC. They are investigating a missing young women from Rock Hill, SC as a possible connection.

I wonder how often he visited this property? It is fairly remote and the parcel of land is undeveloped. I've read that he often went on 'trips' for days at a time.

I'm still in shock at the whole thing really.

moo

 

[investigatefred]

He has the property in Chester, SC. They are investigating a missing young women from Rock Hill, SC as a possible connection.

I wonder how often he visited this property? It is fairly remote and the parcel of land is undeveloped. I've read that he often went on 'trips' for days at a time.

I'm still in shock at the whole thing really.

moo

While most of it is undeveloped, there is a mobile home on the one parcel as well as another structure. The mobile home itself on Rex's land is owned by his brother, not Rex.

 

[dotr]

He has the property in Chester, SC. They are investigating a missing young women from Rock Hill, SC as a possible connection.

I wonder how often he visited this property? It is fairly remote and the parcel of land is undeveloped. I've read that he often went on 'trips' for days at a time.

I'm still in shock at the whole thing really.

moo

SC - SC - Aaliyah Bell Hall, 18, Rock Hill, 25 Nov 2014

Rock Hill’s only missing persons cold case approaches 4-year-anniversary ROCK HILL, SC (WBTV) - It’s been nearly four years since Aaliyah Bell Hall went missing from her home in Rock Hill.

www.websleuths.com

 

[dotr]

Did someone already mention access to empty house/building as part of architect business at the time?

Picturing places like these garage/warehouses, wonder if the perp ever made such a purchase years ago? speculation, imo.

https://www.loopnet.com/search/warehouses/long-island-city-ny/for-sale/

 

[kittythehare]

The National Park Service (631-281-3010) permits waterfowl hunting from the Fire Island National Seashore. Wertheim National Wildlife Refuge is located on the south shore of Long Island in Suffolk County. This area offers deer and youth turkey hunting opportunities. State and refuge permits are required.

Babylon Marsh Hunting Area Dept of Conservation Hunting Area next to Gilgo Beach. It’s a Duck hunting area and a reason to have Hunting burlap - It is legal to duck hunt (possibly deer) along Babylon Marsh, fire island /cap tree beaches in Winter. Duck hunters use huts, tents, boats which are camouflaged with burlap. They would be loading and unloading vehicles in these areas without being suspicious. Hunting would be a reason to be in remote beach areas, creeping around in darkness and a reason why a person would know the access roads. Only in Winter & Perhaps a reason why different types of body dumps as Summer, the nights are short and many people around. Fall & Winter long nights and isolation … hunters don’t really approach or talk to other hunters.
So it’s possible duck hunting would provide knowledge, access, and reason to be out in these areas and for having large objects wrapped in burlap - shelter/tent?. But not in Summer. Doesn’t give a reason to be lurking in May (Shannan)
Looks like hunters must be permitted ..

Long Island Public Hunting Areas

This page displays maps of public hunting areas on Long Island.

www.dec.ny.gov

yeah, but what actual physical permanent buildings exist now or existed then, specifically buildings that are close to the road where he can park, possibly providing a sheltered parking space.. a building that would not necessarily alarm a SW if he brought her there, until it was too late?
That is assuming they were still alive when he brought them there, because otherwise they would have provided limited interest for him, necrophilia..?

 

[kittythehare]

It has been said that most serial killers start killing in their mid 20's to early 30's; Based on his search history, I wonder if he didn't start off by killing young girls (10-12 year olds) in the late 80's, early 90's? Then realizing it was too risky because everyone looked for the missing children, he turned to the escorts, for they were less likely to be reported missing or looked for. He chose them because they were petite, young women who represented the children he truly sought.

I hope they look deeply into the many cold cases of the children killed in the area back then.

All MOO.

Guessing it's likely but be a helluva job finding proof and this dude ain't NEVER gonna admit anything ever to anybody.

 

[kittythehare]

Picturing places like these garage/warehouses, wonder if the perp ever made such a purchase years ago? speculation, imo.

https://www.loopnet.com/search/warehouses/long-island-city-ny/for-sale/

or even had access to because of his work would have known it was unlikely to be discovered for years..?

 

[Ruminations]

I wonder if he acted out at daughter’s slumber parties or child/teen outings/get-togethers, in other words daughter’s friends. I’ve seen that before.

I think it’s likely he would have acted upon his CSAM fantasies with children to whom he had access, perhaps similar to his MO of targeting “easier” victims- basically ones that are directly available to him, as opposed to say abductions off a playground or school path, but this does not mean I don’t think it’s possible he abducted kids because it is DEFINITELY possible, I’m just saying his MO with sex workers indicates targeting easy prey, ones less likely to be missed. Kids can be considered easier prey, of course, we saw ARS go after an adult jogger who fought back and escaped, then abduct and kill 10-year-old Jessica Ridgeway, perhaps because she was an easier victim. I guess what I’m saying is maybe he had a more sly approach to getting his child victims. Not explaining myself well. Basically ones that were very easily accessible to him, somehow similar to his MO of targeting sex workers.

Of course I’ve seen killers that have operated with various MOs. Travis Forbes for example.

Anything and everything is possible with this guy.

Everybody has some line they will not cross because of right and wrong or increased legal risks.

What you say, and as mentioned above with Rex having a daughter in early teens when it is possible Rex started, are viable contexts for a Rex narrative. It is possible Rex deliberately targeted women of legal age because he simply did not want to get caught grooming a minor or even engage in the crime, which may have appealed to him, because THAT would be wrong to him, lol.

Another viable narrative, if it is true that Rex started as his daughter became a teenager could be as simple as she had more of her own life, and Rex was not parenting as much.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

The National Park Service (631-281-3010) permits waterfowl hunting from the Fire Island National Seashore. Wertheim National Wildlife Refuge is located on the south shore of Long Island in Suffolk County. This area offers deer and youth turkey hunting opportunities. State and refuge permits are required.

Babylon Marsh Hunting Area Dept of Conservation Hunting Area next to Gilgo Beach. It’s a Duck hunting area and a reason to have Hunting burlap - It is legal to duck hunt (possibly deer) along Babylon Marsh, fire island /cap tree beaches in Winter. Duck hunters use huts, tents, boats which are camouflaged with burlap. They would be loading and unloading vehicles in these areas without being suspicious. Hunting would be a reason to be in remote beach areas, creeping around in darkness and a reason why a person would know the access roads. Only in Winter & Perhaps a reason why different types of body dumps as Summer, the nights are short and many people around. Fall & Winter long nights and isolation … hunters don’t really approach or talk to other hunters.
So it’s possible duck hunting would provide knowledge, access, and reason to be out in these areas and for having large objects wrapped in burlap - shelter/tent?. But not in Summer. Doesn’t give a reason to be lurking in May (Shannan)
Looks like hunters must be permitted ..

Long Island Public Hunting Areas

This page displays maps of public hunting areas on Long Island.

www.dec.ny.gov

Boats anywhere near shore are not that private; sound travels very easily over water.

Maybe it is more likely that a boat is not come up upon, like a car, but it is much more memorable to come up upon a boat, and for hunting in shallow water, boats don't have cabins or a lot of places to stow stuff.

MOO

 

[investigatefred]

I can't seem to get on board with any boat theory...it would be too many extra steps and he didn't own a boat directly that I've been able to find. Using his vehicle (truck), he can pull over, it's pretty desolate and he'd have a clear view of who would be coming down the road either way to hurry up and carry them to the bramble/brush. You see a vehicle pulled over on the side of the road and most people assume maybe they've broken down, maybe using the bathroom, etc. He didn't carry them super far in either, so I think a vehicle pulled over was the fastest method for his disposal. Again, JMO

 

[Ruminations]

I can't seem to get on board with any boat theory...it would be too many extra steps and he didn't own a boat directly that I've been able to find. Using his vehicle (truck), he can pull over, it's pretty desolate and he'd have a clear view of who would be coming down the road either way to hurry up and carry them to the bramble/brush. You see a vehicle pulled over on the side of the road and most people assume maybe they've broken down, maybe using the bathroom, etc. He didn't carry them super far in either, so I think a vehicle pulled over was the fastest method for his disposal. Again, JMO

A boat could be viable for dumping a body if not for the inconvenience of them washing up to shore. It wouldn't look suspicious to load something big enough to haul a dead body into a boat.

But I can't see killing there.

Edited to add: the GB 4 are not among dead women I see dumped from a boat. They were too curated and staged, from what I know. That had to come from a car...I imagine it like investigatefred does.

I could see a boat as having been a disposal method for some of the washed up body parts, such as Karen's legs.

MOO.

 

[sds71]

A Long Island judge ordered accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann to provide prosecutors with a DNA sample over the objections of the suspect’s attorney in a Wednesday blow to his defense.
“The court finds that contrary to the defendant’s contention, there is probable cause to believe the defendant committed the crimes charged and, therefore, a basis to compel the buccal swab,” wrote Suffolk County Supreme Court Judge Timothy Mazzei in his three-page decision.

“The court finds that a comparison of the defendant’s sample with the evidence obtained ... will yield probative material evidence,” wrote Mazzei.

Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann must provide DNA sample, Long Island judge rules (EXCLUSIVE)

A Long Island judge ordered accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann to provide prosecutors with a DNA sample over the objections of the suspect’s attorney in a Wednesday blow to his d…

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