Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #8

[Forest_Wood]

I didn't really mind her flipping off the press or shooing away gawkers at her BBQ.

I'd be like, "This isn't the story, dudes. F-off and cover the victims! I've got mouths to feed."

But because of her attorneys, people assume the worst in her attitude."

MOO

That's exactly it!

 

[iamshadow21]

I am certain they took photos before, during and after of every nook and cranny in that home.

It's basic forensic procedure. EVERYTHING gets photographed as-is during the initial walkthrough. Only after that do the markers and rulers come out and items end up getting moved, drawers opened, etc.

MOO

 

[Jurisprudence]

there are people who have been inside that house and can testify as to the condition of that house prior to LE tossing the place. mOO

And, IIRC there was a colleague of Rex who made a public statement about seeing his car (unbeknownst to RH) filled to the dash with actual trash, including food wrappers and garbage, windows covered and all. While I am not sure if they ever actually let anyone into their home, I do believe that there are people who have been able to observe these habits nonetheless. This will now be investigated and because she and Macedonia have been talking to the media about this so much, she has shined a spotlight on herself and her cleanliness and lack of being a hoarder and the results of that investigation will likely also be reported - something that we might not ever otherwise know about but for her (and him). He tried to capitalize on this too much imo.

jmo

 

[Jurisprudence]

I think they can kick homeowners out in most cases. Especially if there is a risk to the evidence or a risk to the officers conducting the search.

Often enough, police will allow homeowners to stay in, say, the living room if they are searching the bedroom. Or they will retrieve a specific item or escort someone to get it. AFAIK, that is just a courtesy.

When it comes to the cats, I believe the phrasing was that Asa was not able to locate them.

MOO

I'm thinking they cannot. They can order the family or homeowner to stay in one room and they can take additional measures to remove the homeowner if he or she or they attempts to disrupt the search. Kicking a homeowner out for days on end (almost 2 weeks was it?) is arguably a "taking" for which a homeowner might make a claim. That's why I don't think they can. This is just a guess and speculation though. I have not looked this up.

But, the post came about because it was painted as if AE had no right to return to that home to retrieve her pets. I don't believe that's true. (Not "wanting" to be there and not "permitted" to be there (your own home) are 2 different things). Instead I can see them asking her to do it; her advising them she has nowhere to take them; and them offering for the pets to be boarded (at no expense to her mind you), until the search was complete.

jmo

ETA: Recent high profile warrant executions where the occupants remained in the home: Brian Laundrie; Bryan Kohberger

 

[waldojabba]

This is the thing:

Nobody is attacking the family.

Nobody wants the family separated from her cats.

Some posters, such as I, call BS on the cats being brought to a shelter as an example of mistreating the family by LE.

And since it is a BS accusation against LE, it is discrediting them, not fair and constructive criticism.

Calling out a BS accusation against LE is not an attack on the family.

MOO

I see it a little differently

Here’s my read -
Lawyers blowing things out of proportion ? Exaggerating? We see that on threads for cases all over web sleuths.
Especially the flashy lawyers with big ego’s - like the ones involved in this case with the “interesting” personalities. I sometimes wonder if they think they are in the entertainment business.
And when we blow what the family’s lawyer says out of proportion on these threads imo we are by inference
casting shade - subtly on the family. And then opening up that ball of wax. Innuendo.

In my view, criticism of LE by these blowhard
lawyers, if you want to construe it that way, can also serve to keep the cops on their toes and honest in a area of Long Island that has historically been littered with corruption.
You can’t clean house of everybody and old habits die hard. I would not worry about LE. They are not that thin skinned.
And as far as the general public I think it was not even a blip on their screen.
Just my perspective
Just my opinion

 

[dotr]

This was not the time to pussyfoot around, imo,

Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect had over 200 guns in a vault, police say

Rex Heuermann, 59, "had an arsenal in a vault that he had downstairs,” the Suffolk County police commissioner said.

www.nbcnews.com

July 18, 2023
''The suspect in the Gilgo Beach serial killings had a cache of more than 200 guns in a vault inside his home, the Suffolk County, New York, police commissioner said.''

"He had an arsenal in a vault that he had downstairs," he said.

"Any time somebody has that type of arsenal, we have some concerns," Harrison added.''

"We wanted to take him into custody somewhere outside the house, because of access to those weapons," he said.''

 

[Ruminations]

I see it a little differently

Here’s my read -
Lawyers blowing things out of proportion ? Exaggerating? We see that on threads for cases all over web sleuths.
Especially the flashy lawyers with big ego’s - like the ones involved in this case with the “interesting” personalities. I sometimes wonder if they think they are in the entertainment business.
And when we blow what the family’s lawyer says out of proportion on these threads imo we are by inference
casting shade - subtly on the family. And then opening up that ball of wax. Innuendo.

In my view, criticism of LE by these blowhard
lawyers, if you want to construe it that way, can also serve to keep the cops on their toes and honest in a area of Long Island that has historically been littered with corruption.
You can’t clean house of everybody and old habits die hard. I would not worry about LE. They are not that thin skinned.
And as far as the general public I think it was not even a blip on their screen.
Just my perspective
Just my opinion

Hmmm. I don't think I would call on Macedonia first to "clean house" in Suffolk, when he has Spota to thank for not losing his license to practice law.

Im all for LE accountability. But it Is a stretch to think a friend of a felon whose felonies were committed while in the position of the District Attorney is going to achieve that.

MOO

 

[Jurisprudence]

I see it a little differently

Here’s my read -
Lawyers blowing things out of proportion ? Exaggerating? We see that on threads for cases all over web sleuths.
Especially the flashy lawyers with big ego’s - like the ones involved in this case with the “interesting” personalities. I sometimes wonder if they think they are in the entertainment business.
And when we blow what the family’s lawyer says out of proportion on these threads imo we are by inference
casting shade - subtly on the family. And then opening up that ball of wax. Innuendo.

In my view, criticism of LE by these blowhard
lawyers, if you want to construe it that way, can also serve to keep the cops on their toes and honest in a area of Long Island that has historically been littered with corruption.
You can’t clean house of everybody and old habits die hard. I would not worry about LE. They are not that thin skinned.
And as far as the general public I think it was not even a blip on their screen.
Just my perspective
Just my opinion

I am skeptical about how the Macedonia/AE relationship came to be. Imoo, he likely solicited her, not the other way around. That's problematic in itself if true. As far as JR, I am grateful to him. If not for him being so dogged this case might have been closed for good long ago. Imoo it is because he refused to let LISK be buried that we actually have at least one arrest in this case. And, while this is not a SG thread, I am also not so quick to close the book on her either.

jmo

 

[Jurisprudence]

Hmmm. I don't think I would call on Macedonia first to "clean house" in Suffolk, when he has Spota to thank for not losing his license to practice law.

Im all for LE accountability. But it Is a stretch to think a friend of a felon whose felonies were committed while in the position of the District Attorney is going to achieve that.

MOO

People should really read up on him. It's relevant.

jmo

 

[waldojabba]

People should really read up on him. It's relevant.

jmo

@Jurisprudence I agree “People” may want to read up on him. I certainly have.
Imo it would be hard to find a lawyer beyond reproach in this neck of the woods. Seemingly there is a little bias among some “ People” who give one crooked lawyer a pass bc they like what he’s done. Then they pick apart the other crooked lawyer. I don’t see either as knights in shining armor or beyond reproach. I actually don’t weigh the two against each other on a sliding scale. I don’t trust either and I don’t like either. There are things known about these lawyers and many things done behind the scenes that are unknown to us and I am sure the unknowns in both camps would make my skin crawl - the knowns are bad enough.

My opinion differs from some other posters. That does not mean my opinion is not an educated opinion or less worthy
It’s simply ….
Just my opinion.

 

[waldojabba]

Hmmm. I don't think I would call on Macedonia first to "clean house" in Suffolk, when he has Spota to thank for not losing his license to practice law.

Im all for LE accountability. But it Is a stretch to think a friend of a felon whose felonies were committed while in the position of the District Attorney is going to achieve that.

MOO

Then once again we agree @Ruminations !
My point, which perhaps was made poorly, was why over analyze what this blowhard was saying at all - in the overall scheme of things it was no importance. Iirc there was concern by posters that what he was saying about the cat and the kill shelter, was a criticim of LE - ?
My point : Why worry what a corrupt/disgraced lawyer has to say about LE at all ?
JMO

 

[Ruminations]

Then once again we agree @Ruminations !
My point, which perhaps was made poorly, was why over analyze what this blowhard was saying at all - in the overall scheme of things it was no importance. Iirc there was concern by posters that what he was saying about the cat and the kill shelter, was a criticim of LE - ?
My point : Why worry what a corrupt/disgraced lawyer has to say about LE at all ?
JMO

Of course there are points of agreement.

Yet I feel your post might imply that I think what Macedonia said was of little importance.

I feel it was damaging, and I feel it is important to recognize that.

MOO

 

[Jurisprudence]

@Jurisprudence I agree “People” may want to read up on him. I certainly have.
Imo it would be hard to find a lawyer beyond reproach in this neck of the woods. Seemingly there is a little bias among some “ People” who give one crooked lawyer a pass bc they like what he’s done. Then they pick apart the other crooked lawyer. I don’t see either as knights in shining armor or beyond reproach. I actually don’t weigh the two against each other on a sliding scale. I don’t trust either and I don’t like either. There are things known about these lawyers and many things done behind the scenes that are unknown to us and I am sure the unknowns in both camps would make my skin crawl - the knowns are bad enough.

My opinion differs from some other posters. That does not mean my opinion is not an educated opinion or less worthy
It’s simply ….
Just my opinion.

You are aware of his connection to Spota and Oak Beach. But others may not be. That's all.
[BBM] I take offense to that. I don't believe that to be a true statement. We'll leave it there.

 

[Forest_Wood]

You are aware of his connection to Spota and Oak Beach. But others may not be. That's all.

If this lawyer Macedonia is a former assistant DA who was connected to Spota, I wonder if he is also connected to JB somehow. I don't think the recent arrest of JB is a coincidence. He's likely been frequenting that park for years and only now he's getting arrested? Speculating only.

 

[puckle]

Respectfully, we don't know the facts surrounding this. They could have been sick, malnourished, neglected.

MOO

absolutely.

im not trying to insinuate that the family of rex are animal abusers, i dont believe they are. but if they are hoarders, then the animals may not have been treated properly as its unfortunately quite common for extreme hoarders to neglect their pets as well as their property.

 

[puckle]

Of course we all are glad the cats, whose location was not a big mystery, were returned to the family. A lot of posters on this thread seem to really get the importance of pets in their human's lives.

What worries me is that Macedonia seems to be focused on discrediting LE. If he had to say anything at all in his press conference about the cats, why did he phrase it as if Asa were being victimized by LE?

What is wrong with LE searching the home of a person credibly accused of 4 murders? What is wrong with sending the cats to a shelter so they can be cared for and kept safe? What exactly was LE's misstep here?

And, most of all, why would Macedonia want to make it seem like LE is not doing a good investigation?

MOO

i agree. i tend to be very sceptical of LE to say the very least lol, but it would be necessary for them to move the cats, for their safety, for the cats safety, and because they could further contaminate the scene.

i havent fully read what he said word for word, but implying that LE arent doing their jobs etc could maybe be used by RHs defence ? if rex was innocent, then that would be understandable but considering that he almost definitely is LISK, it needs to be a watertight case for the safety of literally everyone in NY. could this affect the case ?

 

[iamshadow21]

i agree. i tend to be very sceptical of LE to say the very least lol, but it would be necessary for them to move the cats, for their safety, for the cats safety, and because they could further contaminate the scene.

i havent fully read what he said word for word, but implying that LE arent doing their jobs etc could maybe be used by RHs defence ? if rex was innocent, then that would be understandable but considering that he almost definitely is LISK, it needs to be a watertight case for the safety of literally everyone in NY. could this affect the case ?

Could LE getting animal control to take away the household pets so they can safely process a crime scene affect the case?

No. It is normal procedure.

And defense lawyers blowing smoke about LE doing their job badly seems to be normal. The weird thing here is that it isn't RH's lawyer, but one for his family, who aren't on trial.

MOO

 

[puckle]

I was pretty sure this was bought up one time before.. Thread 1 page 34 ish. I might have it wrong and it be like ws series- forum 2002 with a title like "is he here?"
They are All watching , All the ones we haven't even detected are watching. So are the police / LE at all levels . Stay alert.

responding quite late to this, but there is no doubt in my mind that he looked here at least once. many killers like him need to read about their own crimes, for example the guy that did the 1 lunatic 1 icepick murder is active on reddit from prison. didnt they say he had googled the LISK case when they published some of his search history ?

we should not under no circumstances witchhunt anyone, but maybe quietly look at uncomfortable/strange accounts, here and anywhere else, that haven’t been active since around the time of his arrest…

 

[Jurisprudence]

If this lawyer Macedonia is a former assistant DA who was connected to Spota, I wonder if he is also connected to JB somehow. I don't think the recent arrest of JB is a coincidence. He's likely been frequenting that park for years and only now he's getting arrested? Speculating only.

Newsday is blocked by paywall. I couldn't access it via Wayback either. But here are a few other pieces.

Spota faces scrutiny for lawyer's reduced conviction

Grievance Committee for Tenth Judicial Dist. v. Macedonio (In re Macedonio), 103 A.D.3d 154 | Casetext Search + Citator

Read Grievance Committee for Tenth Judicial Dist. v. Macedonio (In re Macedonio), 103 A.D.3d 154, see flags on bad law, and search Casetext’s comprehensive legal database

casetext.com

People v Macedonio

People v Macedonio - 2016 NY Slip Op 50718 (U)

law.justia.com

http://www.barketepstein.com/documents/Spota-Newsday.pdf

https://matthewdoig.com/2016/02/07/the-curious-case-of-robert-macedonio/#:~:text=But%20three%20years%20later%20—%20under,to%20regain%20his%20law%20license.

 

[puckle]

Could LE getting animal control to take away the household pets so they can safely process a crime scene affect the case?

No. It is normal procedure.

And defense lawyers blowing smoke about LE doing their job badly seems to be normal. The weird thing here is that it isn't RH's lawyer, but one for his family, who aren't on trial.

MOO

apologies, had a rough day at work and dont think i articulated that well lol. could his familys lawyer critiquing LE affect the case, as they could maybe argue that it was handled incorrectly/unfairly by LE ?

i agree with you, strange behaviour from the family lawyer.