Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #9

[Keith417]

From the affidavit: "He indicated that we had to pick up a girl from the house across the street". IMO, yes, it was a sex worker

Yes and he definitely had inside connections bc he was very comfortable with making others feel uncomfortable and not worried about being reported to the authorities. I think this case is going to reveal a lot more dirty cops and that’s why they are trying to get Harrison out in November but that’s when the American citizens need to stand up and say oh no not until this investigation is over and you work for us.

 

[Keith417]

I was referring to them randomly picking Karen Vergata (a complete stranger) up and taking her to a swinger party.

You have to remember this man was an narcotics officer and he probably met Karen bc she was probably arrested for drugs and he befriended her.

 

[Keith417]

I think he builds their trust first in some cases.

Yes and I’m thinking the other LE serial
Killer who was caught while this investigation was going on was probably connected with Rex Heurermann bc one of John B’s victims daughter was best friends with one of Rex’s victims.

 

[Keith417]

I don't think anyone knows who is paying him.

I just think, if the witness is right (and it can be verified) that Rex and Asa were involved with the Trapeze swinging club and having swinging parties at their home on the regular, Asa has seen a lot of people. Swinging is primarily done with couples, no single people allowed. That's the way most clubs are and the way "swingers" prefer it. Only learning this from reading stuff the last couple of days. If Rex was going to a club, he needed to bring a partner. That would have been Asa or a sex worker.

If they had a card up at Trapeze inviting people to swinging parties at their house, Asa would have needed to be part of that. So, she's done this before. She knows the people involved. The witness from the swinging encounter said there were several law enforcement people who were members at Trapeze and a group from Long Island.

Asa knows stuff. She may not have participated in the killing of these women, but she probably knew it was happening or strongly suspected stuff.

You know we don’t really know all the evidence right now but maybe Esa is the one who helped the police get Rex. Didn’t someone write an email on the killing season and say I think my husband might me the Long Island serial killer?!!

 

[Keith417]

This has been the most sordid case I've ever followed.
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It’s so scary and mind blowing.. ugh we all need to pray for Harrison and John Ray bc I know a lot of powerful people probably want them as far away from this case bc they are getting closer to the real truth. This is horrific and I would bet my life that a lot of people on Long Island already knew who the Long Island serial killer was from day 1.

 

[Keith417]

And then there is the great possibility that the corrupt Chief and some of his dirty subordinates had intimate knowledge of RH. It seems they ran in the same circles with similar proclivities.

Disgraced Gilgo Beach police chief has a 'history of strangling women on boats'

A MALIGNED ex-Long Island police chief blamed for botching the Gilgo Beach murder probe has a violent history with women and allegedly strangled at least two unconscious during sexual encounters, f…

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You got that right!

 

[Keith417]

When you say Harrison is “going off the rails,” do you mean losing it or do you mean going against the machine- to expose the corruption or to force an investigation?

Harrison is not going off the rails so don’t believe anyone that says he is. That man is on the right rails <modsnip> just want you to believe he is going off the rails bc they are about to be exposed.

 

[Keith417]

Re Harrison, sometimes doing the right thing is more important than political expediency.

Why is the governor and AG's involvement crazy? The Rhoden family massacre was a case in corrupt Applachia, murders committed by the offspring of a wealthy, powerful landowner. It took direct involvement of the AG, who was later governor, to make sure the case was thoroughly investigated and tried. There were no defense shenanigans like we've seen with other recent cases. A thorough investigation with clear, safe chain of custody, etc.

Sometimes those higher up the ladder, at the state police, AG level, are needed to make sure things go well. That's what AG's are for.

Believe Harrison and John Ray are the good guys. This is way bigger than just Rex Heurmann but that’s where the corrupt LE and elected officials want it to stop at Rex bc we are about to see how far down the line the corruption goes. I respect Harrison even more for standing next to John Ray. Remember how corrupt the Whitey Bulger case was well think in terms of that case and all of the corruption that when on from LE as being the same on Long Island. This wasn’t just about one man doing all the killing this so much deeper. Rex’s victim was bestfriends with John B the other Long Island serials killer’s victim’s daughter. It’s a way bigger picture.

 

[Ruminations]

I’m not sure it wasn’t someone just saying they were a Cop?!

if her boyfriend only claimed to be a cop, I'm quite certain John Ray and Rodney Harrison would have said exactly that. This particular detail is easily confirmed or refuted, and is known to Ray and Harrison. They would NOT benefit from passing along the deception, and they have not demonstrated characters of persons who would pass along deception just because it would benefit them.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

You have to remember this man was an narcotics officer and he probably met Karen bc she was probably arrested for drugs and he befriended her.

John Ray and Rodney Harrison indicated it was not a random woman. The cop boyfriend knew her, but John Ray said they did not yet know how the cop came to know her.

Your theory sounds viable to me. But there is no "probably" in THAT the cop knew her.

In fairness, there is a "probably" in that woman being Karen Vergata, but I think a very strong probability, since Ray and Harrison gave the name.

MOO

 

[Keith417]

if her boyfriend only claimed to be a cop, I'm quite certain John Ray and Rodney Harrison would have said exactly that. This particular detail is easily confirmed or refuted, and is known to Ray and Harrison. They would NOT benefit from passing along the deception, and they have not demonstrated characters of persons who would pass along deception just because it would benefit them.

MOO

Exactly!

 

[Ruminations]

I have been thinking about what the cabbie said about Shannon calling a cab to the motel to drive her to the Ronkonkoma train station.
Didn’t Shannen have a driver? I have read that Pak was her driver but also her boyfriend was her driver. If she took the train at Ronkonkoma that would be a hour back to Manhattan and then have to either take the Path train or a Bus or another Cab to make it back all the way to NJ. That is a trek.
Does anyone know if Shannen always had a driver or not.

It's not really known.

I have a great deal of respect for kolkers journalism and dedication to humanizing gilgo murder victims. But that does not mean his information, no matter how carefully researched, is all correct. In particular, I think Kolker was lied to by Pak more than he realized. And Pak was the source of much information about how Shannan ran her business.

The night of Shannan's murder...while I do not know if Pak was the person who actually physically killed her...I do believe Shannan's words that he set her murder or harm up. He did arrange the deal between Brewer directly.

one thing that surprised me, largely because of lost girls, was that very credible (and horrifying) anecdote from the side-hustling cabbie that placed Shannan on Long Island before her murder. I was under the impression she was murdered on a rare or first visit to the island.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

It's not really known.

I have a great deal of respect for kolkers journalism and dedication to humanizing gilgo murder victims. But that does not mean his information, no matter how carefully researched, is all correct. In particular, I think Kolker was lied to by Pak more than he realized. And Pak was the source of much information about how Shannan ran her business.

The night of Shannan's murder...while I do not know if Pak was the person who actually physically killed her...I do believe Shannan's words that he set her murder or harm up. He did arrange the deal between Brewer directly.

one thing that surprised me, largely because of lost girls, was that very credible (and horrifying) anecdote from the side-hustling cabbie that placed Shannan on Long Island before her murder. I was under the impression she was murdered on a rare or first visit to the island.

MOO

Yes, we only have Pak's word for that. Shannan's mother lived in upstate NY and didn't know a lot of details about her work. Her sister may be able to recall some details about those arrangements. I'm sure they have or will check with her.

 

[Ruminations]

You know we don’t really know all the evidence right now but maybe Esa is the one who helped the police get Rex. Didn’t someone write an email on the killing season and say I think my husband might me the Long Island serial killer?!!

I haven't seen evidence that Asa is helping LE. She doesn't have to legally AFAIK, but she might have ethical pressures, like nearly anyone would. As her sister said, it's both a relief this suspect is off the streets and tragic that the adult children have to endure this.

Asa's but-for-corruption felonious lawyer is encouraging hostility to LE. He's clearly not helping her help LE. I want there to be more good guys in this story. I hope you are right, and she dumps Macedonio.

MOO

 

[Just K]

It's not really known.

I have a great deal of respect for kolkers journalism and dedication to humanizing gilgo murder victims. But that does not mean his information, no matter how carefully researched, is all correct. In particular, I think Kolker was lied to by Pak more than he realized. And Pak was the source of much information about how Shannan ran her business.

The night of Shannan's murder...while I do not know if Pak was the person who actually physically killed her...I do believe Shannan's words that he set her murder or harm up. He did arrange the deal between Brewer directly.

one thing that surprised me, largely because of lost girls, was that very credible (and horrifying) anecdote from the side-hustling cabbie that placed Shannan on Long Island before her murder. I was under the impression she was murdered on a rare or first visit to the island.

MOO

It cannot be forgotten, Shannan was due to testify, in NJ, within days of her disappearance:
“Gilbert has a standing indictment in Hudson County as a co-defendant in a case concerning First Professional Referral Services, the escort service where she was allegedly employed, on charges of conspiracy and promoting prostitution, DeFazio said.


The main defendant, Joseph Ruis, was convicted of money laundering and sent to state prison on a five-year sentence, DeFazio said. Ruis has since been paroled.”

18-month-old mystery over Shannan Gilbert's disappearance may be over; reaction in Hudson

Police had resumed their search last week after studying images of clothing taken by an FBI plane that flew over and photographed the area

www.nj.com

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I always believed that John Ray was the good guy and that he was only made to look crazy by the bad guys pretending to be the good guys. I also thought it was very suspicious that a young sex worker ( Shannan Gilbert) who advertised on Craig’s list and back page called 911 saying that they are trying to kill me and then is never seen or heard from again. Her mother receives a call from a doctor on oak beach claiming he ran a home for wayward girls and that that Shannan was in his care but ran away. Then that doctor (Peter Hackett) denies Mari Gilbert’s claims saying he never contacted her but we find out that he was actually lying. When looking for Shannan Gilbert they start finding sex workers left and right and what a coincidence some of those sex workers advertised also on Craig’s list and back page.. so sorry but that’s too many coincidences for me but I believe this is way bigger than we think and that’s why this case has so many twist and turns and wasn’t solved 13 years ago. A lot of police seem to have connections to this case and a lot of rich people involved .

Back Page and Craig’s List at the time were the popular mainstream place where SW were openly advertising Adult Services online.
May 2009, Craig’s List adult services ads for NY City were 1,690 adverts per DAY.
Craigs list same year made $45 million from Adult Services ads. SW, and customers … many thousands of transactions a day and facilitating traffickers, pimps, predators ..

Backpage - Wikipedia

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[fred&edna]

Joe Giacalone is interviewing Commissioner Harrison on his YT channel now.

 

[minazoe]

Honestly my imagination is going wild..I wonder exactly how many Men are directly involved in Shannen's murder?

 

[Just K]

Joe Giacalone is interviewing Commissioner Harrison on his YT channel now.

Is there a link?

 

[fred&edna]

Is there a link?

SCPD Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison

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