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Have you run into examples of flooding of the amygdala and flooding the hippocampus.
oh yes . . . many LEO after a shooting or trauma . . . many people process the trauma hours or even days or weeks later.

Time magazine article he was reading @ physical therapy and he thought it was great way to explain . .article police academy trainer went on a routine shop lifting case . . suddenly saw the perpetrator pull out a gun and describe the experience of what goes on in the brain . ..

the site of the gun was a stressful situation . .. back of the brain signal . . . to the amygdala. . .flood hippocampus . . .facilitate changes in his body . . .fight or flee (still no freeze which is just as likely to happen!)

this man is a trained police officer who trains other police officers and it happened to him . . .brain tends to . . . . time . . . . .felt whole life pass before me or it was in slow motion . .. flood of hormones change our perception of things . . . not allow us to reflect on things - come up with a poem or a song . . .old part of the brain shared by all vertebrates - fish included . . .. . after an adrenaline rush his body began to shake . . ..

he had no control over these physiological
we don't have control that is why people's perceptions over power their reasoning
 
not sure if this posted . . . please forgive if double post


Have you run into examples of flooding of the amygdala and flooding the hippocampus.
oh yes . . . many LEO after a shooting or trauma . . . many people process the trauma hours or even days or weeks later.

Time magazine article he was reading @ physical therapy and he thought it was great way to explain . .article police academy trainer went on a routine shop lifting case . . suddenly saw the perpetrator pull out a gun and describe the experience of what goes on in the brain . ..

the site of the gun was a stressful situation . .. back of the brain signal . . . to the amygdala. . .flood hippocampus . . .facilitate changes in his body . . .fight or flee (still no freeze which is just as likely to happen!)

this man is a trained police officer who trains other police officers and it happened to him . . .brain tends to . . . . time . . . . .felt whole life pass before me or it was in slow motion . .. flood of hormones change our perception of things . . . not allow us to reflect on things - come up with a poem or a song . . .old part of the brain shared by all vertebrates - fish included . . .. . after an adrenaline rush his body began to shake . . ..

he had no control over these physiological
we don't have control that is why people's perceptions over power their reasoning
 
If hippocampus is shrinking having memory problems . . . . common . . .

somehow memories . . . short term memories are formed in hippocampus . . . and REM sleep over a number of days . . .REM - rapid eye movement . . . . memory is not encoded in one place in the brain but multiple . .. if ihippocampus isn't working memory isn't being encoded . . . .

are we talking about just memory or about people are capable of like drive car
fighting back or fleeing the scene . . .. once a person enters this state any acts with fleeing seem to be able to occur . . . get into car and drive away, fly away, horse runaway . . . .. people certainly able to drive a car = some people might become a zombie but not all

car . . . .fight or flight type situation . . . .things go on real time . . .things going on can feel change - time slows down . . .time is an experience can be influenced by chemical change - even drugs

ever do work with hypnosis?
yes advanced training with Police Dept . . . I used to teach hypnosis . . . but if the memory isn't there - they ain't there

if there is nothing there - there is nothing to get

memory o things not under stressful situations. . . .read thru JA's journals . . . jr high or high school when she was quite younger a teenager.

does it help when people write things down "our memories"
object

generallspeaking when people write things down does it help to memory

I did when I was in grad school . . . when you write it down 2 more things are learning . . .imprint on your hand (muscle memory) and see it another way to use senses to remember

likely improved her memory - object
clarify he is speaking in general

generaly speaking keep a diary and write down memory . . . help person to remember what occurred . . . .. absolutely I help come up with exercizes for elderly to write things down . . . it strengthen the memory . . . more modality used is better memory people doing movement while learning have better memory than just sitting and learning

acute stress . . .. . DSM IV . . .. . Diagnostic an Statistical Manual . . . .bible of Mental Health D/O . . .. .. every 10 years approx. MH professionals get together to update

acute stress affects the body certain behavioral and psychological effects of the book DSM . . . if this person have these criteria laid down by these learned people we can have the particular diagnosis

DSM-IV . . . . this s the one he bought . . . . he doesn't use DSM-IV TR (text revision) . . . .DSM V will be out in a few more months

stress defined as condition where amygdala kicks in, heart pounds, sweat . . . something very severe trauma

condition occurs, amygdala sends out signals/hormones in the brain = fight or flight situation . . .

the amnesia part of the power point will be admitted to the jury
 
A lot of research about amygdala and hippocampus flood . . . .amnesia canlast for hours, for years, and some associated with criminality . . .
formation of amnesia . . .we will have some data to look @ . . .people with amnesia and acute stress disorder are very high

not talking bout psychogenic am nesia . . ..


hippocampus shut down because flooded with chemials that do not allow memories to form

article . . . Amnesia and Crime . . . .disossicative amnesia . . . used to call it psychogenic amnesia . . . . we call it a dissociative state . . . inable t remember after psychological stress . . . .they don't rmember anything or only bits and pieces until

title of article . . . . Amnesia and Crime

state of conscioiusness . . . . . detached

are they physically capable of doing things?
yes they can

same article .. . dissociate amnesia may result when detachment . .

may we approach?
 
JM is objecting for the same reasons as before
counsel approach please
 
Disasociative amnesia can last minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, lifetime . .. .

don't recall what happened during that period of time . . they usually can have memory again unless severe damage to hippocampus . ..

from start to the end point . . .criminal event or otheremotionally charged events . . . perps of horrible crimes can also develop PTsD can be a result of the crime. . . . ie; soldiers, police officers who shoot in line of duty . . . up to 30% . . . several different studies included in these numbers.. ...affect younger people more than older people especially in their 20s and 30s . .

responsible for transient amnesia because the memory are not formed . . . .

transient global amnesia . . . functional

in general population . . .. between 3 - 8 per 100K per year . . . develop this
sudden emersion into cold or hot water . . . . sexual . . . . every day situation still prone to TGA

it clouds or lack of memory for people immersed in hot or cold water . .. don't remember beginning or end or whole time . . . . some times they get memory back . . . it begins to restore self over period of time . . . .we think it has to do with the degree of the shock . .

stressful situation over . . . hippocampus can begin to work again . . . .memory more likely to return gradual . . . gradual restoration to it's normalcy .. .. new memory can be reformed. . .

their memory could be spotty in that transitional period . . . . gradual restoreation to normalcy . . . .. gradually comes back over period of time . . . not linear . . . up and down . . . .

they might remember certain things and nt remember others. . . .goes up and down . . .can remember things close to the event and hard to remember further away . . .only speaking generally

this article the stressed hippocampus, synaptic plasticity and lost memores

rodent and human research . . .memory not formed when hormones chemicals adrenaline just doesn't all it

acute stress lasts how long?
long term stress can be bad for people even more than acute short term stress . . . ocurrs over short period of time body cannot handle it . . . . diagnosis for acute stress d/o for a couple of months.

within 2 months of te onset of the event . . . .certain symptoms exist during that period . . . . use diagnosis for a couple of months . . . . 1 o 2 weeks . . few hours or sometimes a few minutes . . . short duration . . .. memory gaps . amnesia follows. . .. from hippocampus
 
Milan clinical multiaxial inventory
and Post Traumatic Stress Diagnostic scale . . . avail commercially detect presence or absence of PTsD . . . .confirmation of this diagnostic category

DSM - form hypothesis . . . you get a feel for what is going on . . . remember this person having this reaction . . . . experience helps as well == dr has been doing this work for a long long time

use criteria fromDSM . . .. . Milan personality test and PTSD diagnostic . . . .. confirmed existence of PTsd diagnosis (on JA)

49 items . . . individual . . . will have it marked as an exhibit . . . . he will need this back . .. . yeah it's ok . . . .

exhibit #527 this is the manual that comes with it . . . 49 different items . . . individual checks off. . . . used hand scoring . . . don't have the computer program . . . he doesn't use tht many of these . . . . .

reach criteria for PTSd . . . . acute or chronic . . . .
people fill in the circles . . . .people can fake the answer . . . unless person has read the manual . . . not that well known . . . people would have to be familir with the test and PTsd to fake answers . . . .confrmed she did suffer from PTSD

before that . . . . lets talk about McMI . . .Milan clinical multiaxial inventory 3rd revision to measure personality . . . . . conforms to DSM-IV

175 items TorF . . .. . . . complex computer algorhithum . . . diagnostic categories and graphs and charts . . . . suspicion is likely . . . lie scales, validity scales, consistentcy scales - she did fine on all ofthose

her scores were valid . . . she appeared to respond in n accurate and honest manner

2 tests and meetings with JA formed opinion of PTSD

anxiety based . . . JA's specific criteria . . . stress related disorder . seen in other people with same diagnosis . . . detachment - not in contact with reality not psychosis, unable to see reality, in extreme denial .. . emotional blunting . . .very restricted - flat and emotionless.

we will get into specific to Jodi later

PTSd is in the DSM . . .in order to diagnose someone . . . 3 out of 10 . . .5 ut of 6 in another category .. . . various criteria if person meets enough of them they got the diagnosis.

break ntil 3:15 -
 
Talked about PTSD . . . . criteria for it . . fairly specific . . . .read from the DSM-IV . . . . entered exhibit #528

(lost signal for a few minutes)

specific to Jodi . . . refer to report #525 exhibit # . ..

what he has learned about JA and compare to criteria in DSM . . .. multiple sources - more than just what she told him an based upon testing he did. . .
first criteria relates to JA

A. 1) person experienced witness threatened death or significant integrity of self or others . . . she was nvolved in a homicide - initiator of such event ie;LEO and soldiers have PTSD

intense fear, helplessness and/or horror . . . her defense mechanisms built up so strongly . . . psych theory why intrderstry and she was not there @ all . ..intense form of denial they can't deal with the fact of something she so stood for in her life . .. she is essentially a pacificist not a negative word . . . going back to Jr. HIgh . . . not a violent thought writings go backto when she was a teenager...when a person engages in acts opposite of what they stand for . . . it can create a psychological wall of what happened either denial or make up story opposite of what happened to distance self from the truth . . . . she could not deal with the fact she had done it. ..it took Mr. Nurmi and I a couple of visits to break that down . . . therapeutic breakthrough for JA


hallucinations or disasociations . . .. intrusive thoughts popping into her mind hard to shut down met criteria for C-3 . . . .she doesn't have those memories . . . acute stress condition she was in precluded fromrecall . . . won't probably come back some amnesia remain permanent . . .

various parts of the relationship of TA . . . intrusive thoughts unable to shut don

C-3 in able to recall sequence of events

C-6 flattened and blunted affect - unable to express highs and lows . . . . a person's emotional range becomes very constricted person comes across as being emotionless .. . .. how they express themselves . . . we always make a comment about their mental affect and their mood . . . part of the mini-mental status

C-6 and D3 . . . difficult concentrating

also D4- hypervigilence - she used to be a very sound sleeper in her diaries with contact between tA and her . . she is unable to sleep in her cell . . .. could account for loud jail . . . jails are noisy . . . awakened from noise n the jail . . last over time . . .she didn't get verthe adjustment period of first couple of nights . . .
should have listed #D4 as part of criteria

exaggerated startle response - I didn't see it that muh

Creiteria A both

B - 1 or more
C - 3 or more of 7

Feeling of detachment of estrangement from others - not able to connect that well not able to recount stories made up in the beginning . . .

marking on his copy not the exhibit

test bolster . . . .

excuse me . . . . also . . .she meets criteria C7 - short future - talks about suicidal risk . . . we talked always a suicidal risk - have to be careful

scales on PTSD test - what do they confirm what you told us?


test asks for certain symptoms or items they identify with they circle . . . I add them up met all 5 criteria . . .therefore meeting all diagosic criteria for PTSD . . . and severity for the individual . . .. she indicated what they were

on the Milan . . .2 highteset scales PTsd an anxiety scales . . . .

the test generates an output to the computer . . . it is a bar graph .. . . a scores for paranoia, schizophrenia . . . anxiety I one called . . . PTSD scale.

further confirmed PTSD

talkd about whether person who causes trauma . . . criteria A1 . . . person caused trauma .. . recent research shows PTSD in persons to perpetrate crime . . . . prepared a power point to help explain
 
Relatively new material . . . .. only a couple of studies . . probably could find more but there is a law of ? returns . . . . .

mentally ill patients whocommitted an act of homicide . . ..life time prevalence 58% of 29 MH patients . . . .

intrusive memories . . . perpetrtorsof violentcrime . . . 46% of 105 young offenders . . . . suggest perps of violent crime are subject todevelop PTSD symptoms . . .. JA is a perp of a violen crime is not out of step for having PTSD . . . . she admitted killing . . . not talking about te reason why . . . .having worked with violence with Police Officers . . . . those numbers were higher . . . . traumatic experience . . . . one patient killed someone during hunting accident had PTsd had to leave work and go on disability . . .he has seen it

a lot of medical malpractice cases .. . . many developed PTsd because of their injuries . . . .problems in living anger @ the doctor . . . quite a few met that criteria . . people involved in accident, injury, fire . . .. one person in MGM fire he lost his lover - the other fellow fell and died in the fire . .. . . done this over 30 years. . .

PTSD and acute stress D.O.
 
Acute stress disorder read from DSM 4

subjective sense of numb, detachment, being in a daze, depersonalization , dissociative amnesia . . . . hippocampus doesn't form the memories . . . . .if doesn't form mmory then it will never be available . . . . .

distress of exposures reminder of the traumatic event . . .recurrent illusions, flashbacks, re-experience event . . bad dream . . .recurrent thughts, , , shadows moving, relive experience , reminder of traumatic event . . . . this is why she made up story tokeep her distance from the trauma . . . . . block event, places, persons the story . . the intruder story . . ..

increased arousal, hypervigilence - exaggerated startle response

clinical disrupt in social, occupational areas of life . . ..

tell family members about experience she was unable to tell anyone in her family . . . . . this vs. doesn't want to get caught . . .

can you imgine isolation if you cant turn to a parent, a friend, anyone. . . .

minimum of 2 days and max of 4 weeks .. . . not due to drug abuse/meds or psychotic disorder . . . . she experience acute stress disorder . . . . .
 
Continues from Acute Stress Disorder to PTsd after time goes by but the symptoms overlap

speak to her and test results . . . .

acute stress . . .. not just the memory of June 4th . .. .2 to 4 weeks out . . . person can still have difficulty forming memories . . .. physicical logical flooding of chemicals . . . . eventually thy are flushed out and memory may be restored . . . clear out still may be foggy . . not at all uncommon . . .. spotty memory . . .. not a switch on the wall . . . .not a gradual smooth improvement.
 
That is all for today . . . Monday 10am . . . .

you are excused . . . .

(Oh God Forbid I try to transcribe this guy with JM . . . . . . there is no way to keep up with the pace of those two and how fast they both talk!!!!)
 
wenwe4 said:
That is all for today . . . Monday 10am . . . .

you are excused . . . .

(Oh God Forbid I try to transcribe this guy with JM . . . . . . there is no way to keep up with the pace of those two and how fast they both talk!!!!)
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You have been doing a wonderful job! Thanks so much!:seeya:
 
Accused murderer Jodi Arias' bizarre behavior caught on tape

video.foxnews.com/v/2228330829001/accused-murderer-jodi-arias-bizarre-behavior-caught-on-tape
 
wenwe4 said:
That is all for today . . . Monday 10am . . . .

you are excused . . . .

(Oh God Forbid I try to transcribe this guy with JM . . . . . . there is no way to keep up with the pace of those two and how fast they both talk!!!!)
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LOL! I'm sure you would do an admirable job! Thanks for doing this!
 
AnonymousD said:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?utm_sourc...exp-jodi-arias-time-stamp-put-to-the-test.cnn


HLN reenactment of the 62 seconds to fight, run, grab the gun, shoot, stab, slash & drag.
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I hope Juan does a re-enactment of the crime for the jurors. I didn't need one to know that it couldn't have happened the way JA said it did, but seeing this really did drive that home in a big way. Even tho it took the reporter 1:07 to do it, there is no way she stabbed as fast as he did....she was stabbing into a body, pulling the knife out that fast. I'm really quite surprised that she could do what she did even if she just went at him and he didn't fight (but we know he did). That is what scares me the most about her I think. Soldiers are trained to fight like that, fast and no hesitation, but it freaks me out that she did that.
 
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