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she was fleeing his approach - ran into the closet . . grab gun hoping the site of the gun would hold him @ bay . . . . she was trying to create distance . . . I think she was out of the closet @ that point . . . refer to notes . . . referring to #548 2nd page middle page . . . don't read it . . she ran into closet that is where the gun is held up

did she run ut the opposite door?
adjoining closet - hallway or bedroom not sure
running out o the closet door
she did say that
after she talked about closet door holding the gun up

objection beyond the scope of his understanding - lack foundation


ADDENDUM BELOW!!!

she ran into the bathroom . . told him about pulling trigger - gun went off - let out a scream notice blood but he came towards her they fell on the ground . . . did she talk to you what happens on the ground . . . they wrestle she was finally able to get up and flee he pulled @ her clothing . . .
did she tell you what happened
I asked a 2nd and third time what happened

when people tell stories they ma y only tell parts of the story . . . a premade story is consistent when told time after time . . I was able to hear slight differences in each of the stories I could put together...
made up stories same words sometimes used
tell story over and over
means can tell story by average of what actually happened

sometime talked to her again about what happned on June 4th

that was april 21st exhibit #537

did she tell you specificall,y if she was in the closet when gun goes off . . .
refer to notes
5th page to make it quicker


approach
 
talk about running into the closet to get a distance . . . . getting the gun . . she ran out into the hallway
hallway or bathroom
hold on let me see - just want to be sure

(he reads his notes)
this is before the gun goes off - on pg 5

ok . . .

what I am looking at perhaps wrong page . . . .
may we let the answer stand?
NO - Judge may we approach?
you may approach!
 
pages are not numbered is there line through top line . . . read thru that page . . don't read outloud . . .

he knows the process
overruled - let us know when you have finished reviewing it.

is there reference . . .do you remember what she told you
she ran into closet - she eventually ran out of closet
trying to describe to him the closet - adjoining to the bathroom yes

what did she say about shooting TA . .. gun went off it wasn't her intent . . to keep distance between him and her she was terrified (sounds like an old Perry Mason movie)

what happens . .

look @ your report again same page

tA was doing when gun was going off?
he was lunging towards her
after he falls on top of her what did he do then
he was on top of her - he was a wrestler this was a very disadvantageous position for her and was able to get up

after gets up - where she runs

I see the hallway in this particular article

he is not allowed to tell where he sees hallway
I didn't interrupt him (Wilmot)

any strong memory after that

no strong memory after that

ok

I have notes from June 9th but they are not admitted pull them out of there
 
On June 9 2010 about what happened on June 4 2008 -- yes rather lengthy session

about grabbing the gun, runnin out the closet door . .. yes she did

whether she planned to shoot?
objection - previous ruling
approach
 
that gun was discussed several times . . .. I don't remember if it was in this particular meeting . . . may I help him with this particular date - the 12th page . . .3rd from end

yes I see . . .
did she talk to you about her intentions with the gun
she had the gun she didn't plan to shoot - somehow gun went off - scream . .. that was not enough to stop him

where she ran in these notes/
ran into the bathroom

ok . .. um after she ran into the bathroom what did she tell you

turned around and pointed gun @ him but he didn't stop . . .

ok . . .
did she tell you about the gun itself - loaded or not
she was not sure loaded or not - just to get him to stop - she indicated she never fired a gun before . . . gun was dropped

he hit her and then she dropped the gun - lead to struggle

specifically say there was a struggle?
not in this note but they wrestled on the ground - she managed to get up started run down the hall . .. discuss him being wrestler? yes

things TA said to her / very angry called her names threatened to kill her . . . on 2nd to last page .

I am goin gto f'ing kill you ***** . . . she used the real word . . .

tomorrow . . . not need to be here until 1:00 - please remember admonission
excused have a nice evening
 
Dr. Samuels on the stand w/Wilmot . . . what JA told him about 6/4/08 was consistent with what he diagnosed her with.

He was in role of Evaluator . . . . come up with diagnosis and tests confirm - report . . . .

process of forming diagnosis - no one test or procedure to have 100% assurity - have as many different sources of information you can . . . getting a hypothesis in his mind . . . not a guess but best determination based upon information available . . . next step is an interview . . . . based upon my hypothesis - I began to think of different tests I might like to use - some tests are better for certain diagnosis . . .

Therapist model - therapy client comes to office with specific problem - may be having a marital problem, anxiety, stop a bad habit like smoking or deal with a sexual dysfunction . . . get background information in 2 or 3 sessions - develop information about person and their environment and when problem began . . . develop specific targets and come up with therapeutic intervention goals and when the goals should be met.

Usually patient is seen more often in therapy can take months and can take a year or two - usually takes months - he tries to conclude his therapy with patients within 3-6 months (he spent longer with JA didn't he?)

two different tests need to be conducted and neither at the same time . . . .ever blurred the line in evaluator status? no . . . even sending her a book? I was not providing therapy.

Hypothesis about what person might be suffering from or a particular diagnosis . . . . both MCMI has advantages and the MMPI does too . . .usually use MCMI first . . . there is another test I can use (missed it) . . .

if refutes your hypothesis do you change your diagnosis. . . yes
how often
regularly

I have found MCMI seem to be a better predictor . . . . sometimes it is almost uncanny . . . not 100% but it is more related to the diagositic . . . . .a meta-predictor I find over time . . .

MMPI is longer does that make it better? no
I like the Mcmi bettr

would you ever use MCMI alone
no - no one scale test should be used . . . . it says never use this test solely to make a diagnosis use other information to make proper diagnosis

$250 per hour when I signed onto this case . . . . that is over 30+ years experience

if someone had studied the construction of the MMPI or Mcmi = went into the literature studied and throw off the test. . . Dr. Sam might be able to go in and take the test and throw it off to giving him a diagnosis he doesn't have but the average person doesn't have that knowledge

if someone is distorting or lying you need to take with a grain of salt . . . . MCMI JA's results came within the norm . . . .. he had no concerns she was lying.

TA tied her up with rope . . . happened twice . . .. th fist time she was tied with just her wrists first time . . . she described what she was tied with to him . .. .

exhibit #537 - given to Dr. Samuels . . . notes he took 4/21/2010 . . . .yes . . . objection - he has no indication he doesn't remember the date objection . .. I just provided the date for him (Wilmot)

the first time what rope was used - it was a twine
objection - she (just gave him the answer??)
may we approach
 
First time she was tied up with twine - didn't work out well - burnd her wrists . . hurt her .. .

the second time . . it occurred on the same day as the incident . . .

how she was tied . .. tied by the ankles as well as her hands - he is going off of his notes . . . he writes as fast as they can . . . he tries to not interrupt anyone while they are speaking - free flow information Is important . . sometimes it may occur he may miss word o two usually h can go back . .. . if it was important he wold inquire again - to get the accuracy of the information . . . if not important to you would you inquire more - not if not important to me no

they had some type of sexual contact while she was tid up . . . photostaken . . . TA took photos . . . chronological order or photos taken @ some point? . . . @ some point . ..

saw photos taken on 6/4
conversation on 4/21/2010 - whether TA asked her to take pics of him . . . when Dr. spoke w/JA . .anywhere on your notes where TA asked her to take pics . .

Dr.remembers conversation between ja and ta . . . they discussed her taking pictures of him in the shower . . .

JA talked about the time that TA had oral sex with her and she was uncomfortable . . . what reason she was uncomfortable?
June 9 2010 conversation with JA - she felt uncomfy during oral sex with TA . .. occurring too soon - they had just met and stayin @ someone's home . . . she felt it inappropriate happened too soon . .. . she felt she needed to comply to please Travis

how did she feel about TA?
objection
approach
 
Did she describe what she thought TA was?
thought the world of him, placed him on a pedestal . . he had great esteem in the community and status was great . . .
she went along with him in the oral sex.

JA talk about a specific time meaning 3pm or whatever . . . when she walked into him masturbating to pictures of a little boy
no it was relevant to the information that I was trying to obtain . . . the time was not important to Dr. Samuels to his investigation

exhibit #530 . . . don't have the screen pulled down yet

Dr. asks for water

acute stress . . . . drawing of the U shaped diagram

object to this speaking response
approach
 
describing hippocampus flooding the memory out . . . no memory may come back if in acute stress . . evolution gives us fight or flight .

memory formed prior to acute stress . . should remain there
if JA knew TA kept a gun in his closet she could recall it during an acute stress stage?
especially if she was in the closet . . . memory of being in the closet might trigger memory of the gun being in the closet.

Wilmot asking about raw data . . .
Samuels smiles . . .

raw data mean something
basic data we collect - form responses to a test, number of times a rat presses a bar . . . researcher works with a statistician for analysis or a computer scoring protocol - we have choices - comes out in forms of graphics, narratives or charts

raw data something you exchange with other doctors?
yes
other attys
generally not

if you are a forensic evaluator - hired by one party - answers to those tests is raw data . . . other party hires their own Doctor do they get access to the test?
they get access to the results .. .generally we exchange raw data with others who are skilled in reading it . .. otherwise it can be skewed ..
only exchange raw data with other Doctors
yes

question form the Post traumatic stress skills

something you typed up
no
answers are listed below - raw data

is this your raw data?
that raw data but that is not my form didn't type it up

part 1 and part 2
that was not the end of the test - there are 2 other parts

went up to question/statements #14. . . is that why Atty's should not get raw data because we wouldn't understand it?
yes

did you disclose this raw data to Defense or Prosecuting Atty . . . only to Jean DeMarte . .we know it ended up in court by #533

PDS test . . . exhibit #534 - handwritten . . .answers to the statements - took that and transferred it to a sheet with the little circes - that is correct

#540 PDS package Samuels put together - instructions and score sheet . . . the instructions do not go to the patient - they never see that . . . instruction only for the Dr. admininstering test. . .

the list of items marked part 1, question sheet . . . or statement sheet . . . any instructions the patient would see that says this a test for PTSD?
no - that would bias ms. Arias . . . I don't have answer sheet with me - I have the numbers you can circle on yellow sheet and I will transfer onto answer sheet for testing.

part 1 - test was given on 1/15/2010 before she admitted to the killing

go thru the statements . .
experienced serious accident, fire, explosion -y
natural disaster - y
ask what happened? no . . .. there is a place f or the individual to write down most intense experiences - do not interrupt them during test

non-sexual assault by family member or someone you know - y - it could have been someone from her past or TA. . . more important if you are treating individual . . .. for treatment it would be imperitive to obtain. At age 13 - she was accosted and a knife was held to her throat as reported by her brother in an interview . . . didn't know which time she was referring to - only if doing therapy

sex assault by a family member-no
 
She said no sex assault by a family member - JA said she was awakened by TA for oral sex . . . she didn't consider it to be a sexual assault but it is under the law
objection - he is not a lawyer
No but I have done a lot of court
Object - prosecutor wants to voire dire re: his legal degree

did you work with sexually violent preditors . . . certain deviant acts . . .part of the training - legal laws for evaluations for sexually violent preditors must have knowledge of the law . .

is it illegal to have intercourse with someone with out their consent
absolutely
important with ja thinks?
that is most important

back to the test

sexual assault by a stranger - no
no on 7,8,9,10,11

could someone on this particular test answer yes and lie
yes and their scores would go up accordingly
if she answered more yes answers would her scores up?
yes
she answered no
she specified . . .repeated emotional and psychological abuse . . .

Samuels asked about that later on . . . .she was talking about TA's reported physical assault and verbal abuse during their time together . . . . based upon the event on how she feels - she felt emotional trauma with these but not when TA had oral sex with her without consent . . .no she was not feeling emotional trauma . . if she answered on 5 yes her score would go up

#14 most traumatic was endorsing #4 . . . non sexual assault by a stranger.
did you ask her what she meant particularly
at that point she was sticking to the intruder story - 2 of them in the house that threatened her life
does that particular incident - intruders she is talking about change her score in anyway -no it would affect therapy but I wasn't providing therapy. . .. . . . strangers involved in the trauma not the fact she was attacked when she was younger

objection
approach
 
Whether she was talking about being attacked age 13 or the intruder story both would be answered yes . . yes . . .any change of her score? no

is #14 weighted or not
It doesn't matter the reasons she put behind what she answered - no

objection - approach!
 
#14 - it allows the individual to specify the nature of the problem for therapeutic purposes . .
how long ago did it happen?
6 mo - 3 yrs #4 . . . . does that bring us back to date of 6/4/08? yes
talking about intruders .. . match time frame?
yes
talking about time she was attacked by TA? . . . match time frame?
yes

june 4th 2008 - time frame 6 mo to 3 yrs - consistent with the events . . . had she told you would these answers change?
did she tell you travis attacked her?
yes
protecting self?
yes
she had t protect her life . . . traumatic to her . . . .given this test after what she says what actually happened on 6/4/08 . . . still 6 mo to 3 yrs later - still same result
objection
judge it is a math equation
approach
 
6 mo to 3 yr time frame specific to traumatic event . . . what actually happened on 6/4/08 still within time frame . . . traumatic to her . . . .

did you have something to add?

objection - relevance - doesn't know what he will say!
jury out of the courtroom for 5 min
 
When you are addingup all the numbers to get a score is #14 anyway reflected in the score? . . . .no it for therapeutic . . . . where you need to go with therapy

#16 - talk about whether or not you were physically injured or felt life was in danger

those group of questions asking specifically about?
objection . . . .

specific traumatic event indicated in #14 . . . traumatic event from #15 - same event . .. occurred sometime between 6 mo and 3 years of taking this test between Jun 4 and . . .

someone else physically injured yes (you were injured-yes)
#17

#18 your life in danger? yes
did she feelife was in danger? yes

lack foundation - objection
approach
 
Video clip on HLN of JA handcuffed, sitting on the floor of the interrogation room flipping her hair . . . .
court is now cancelled due to court watcher vomiting in the courtroom - it must be cleaned up. . . . . . (cleaning up human bodily fluids always trumps - IMO)
 
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Juan just took Travis' family into the side room. Court has still not started. ::yawwn:: #JodiArias
 
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