**Graphic and adult content**Jodia Arias Trial Discussion #7

[alwaysonmymind]

I can hear it now, "My cell phone was dead!"

Yes and she was just killing time.


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[LaneGirl]

Just a hypothetical question for folks that think perhaps the gunshot occured first....

Why did JA bring a knife to a gun fight?

Why would she bring a gun to a knife fight? Neither makes sense really.

 

[norest4thewicked]

http://www.examiner.com/article/jodi-arias-trial-reveals-travis-alexander-fought-off-brutal-attacker


Medical Examiner Kevin Horn testified that from what he observed during autopsy, after Alexander sustained a stab would to his heart—a fatal injury—he tried to fend off his assailant. Dr. Horn noted he came to this conclusion due to the knife wounds Alexander had on both hands, calling them “defensive wounds.”

During Horn’s testimony, the courtroom was shown graphic images of Alexander’s wounds. According to HLN, Arias avoided looking at the disturbing photos and cried throughout most of Dr. Horn’s time on the stand.

Horn also noted that Alexander sustained a severed jugular, which occurred when his throat was slashed. The wound was so deep, he said, that it reached Alexander's spine.

Alexander was also shot in the head, but Horn deduced the victim was likely dead by the time this injury took place.

 

[princesspjs]

Does anyone have the autopsy report?

I'm not complaining about watching that ME again...just wanted to look at it while I re-watch that hunk of a guy.

 

[polleypockets]

Don't forget the line of questioning by the defense attorney regarding the bullet. The bullet may have somehow managed to avoid the brain despite its trajectory, all because decomp had set in and there wasn't enough brain tissue left for the ME to determine what kind of damage the bullet did to the brain.

I know for me that raises all sorts of questions about what happened with the order of injuries inflicted and it's also left me very confused about the basic laws of physics.

well remember there is one thing that we always have to keep i mind when trying to figure this out - she is crazy and irrational - as us as rational ppl want to see the best reason and method and explanation - but all of the acts were committed by an irrational person - so yes to us shooting him in the head would seem obvious (and also taking the sim card and not washing the camera) but she doesn't have a rational train of thought - and if i thought she might, that was dispelled by her LE interviews

 

[Isabelle]

I thought that was odd - I understand the "butterfly effect" but the context she used it in made absolutely no sense.:waitasec:

She was trying to sound educated!

 

[human]

I hope she gets LWOP. If she gets the death penalty, it costs a fortune because of appeals and whatever else. DP is very expensive and it takes years before they execute.

 

[Karmady]

Just a hypothetical question for folks that think perhaps the gunshot occured first....

Why did JA bring a knife to a gun fight?

I don't think we know whether she brought the knife. She shoots him, he doesn't die. She fires again -- gun jams. He goes over to the sink area to see wth just happened and she books it to the bedroom where there was a knife involved in the sex games or all the way down to the kitchen. By the time she fetches it, Travis has made it to the hall at the carpet/tile seam. She confronts him face to face returning from fetching the knife. Stab to the chest or front. He collapses to hands and knees, stab, stab, stab to the back then slit. I don't know if that's how it happened, but I'm not totally convinced by the ME's testimony that it didn't. I'll have to listen to the whole thing again.

 

[LambChop]

I am going to go and find the ME's testimony again because I do not remember him saying that the bullet went through his brain at all. I recall that the shot went in on the right side near ear/eye and lodged in his left cheek. It seems that would be a shot through his sinuses more than his brain.

That is my opinion.

I believe the ME stated the bullet entry was near his temple, traveled through his brain out through the sinus cavity and ended up inside his cheek. The doctor also stated that young people's brains are right up against the inside of the skull so it had to have traveled through that portion of his brain which would have restricted his movements. He was unable to determine the exact path through the remaining brain matter because the decomposition caused it to liquify. That is what I believe I heard him say. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Just a hypothetical question for folks that think perhaps the gunshot occured first....

Why did JA bring a knife to a gun fight?

Because she did not know whether or not the roommates would be there. A knife makes no noise. jmo

 

[shiloh42]

I think the chest stab came first. If he was stabbed in the back first he would be quickly hunched over in pain, guarding his front of his body.

The chest stab could have been an underhand upward motion while he was sitting, or overhand motion while he was standing.

Then after his chest was injured the back wounds came as he struggled coughing blood over the sink. Followed by the throat slash as he escaped down the hall and later the gunshot.

Yep that works too

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Easy. The ME said that the shot to the brain would have killed him. If she had shot him once to start with, what would be the reason to start stabbing and not just shoot again and again until he was dead? The stab to the heart could have just nicked the heart so that he bled out slowly and had the strength to crawl down the hall, as he did, losing strength with every second. Yes, she had the gun, but maybe it wasn't as easily accessible as the knife was. And, the knife was working wasn't it? So why change in the middle of the attack? She drug him into the shower after stabbing him and slicing his throat, went to grab the gun and then put the final bullet into his head to make sure he was dead.

I cant help thinking it was intentionally one shot. I dont think the gun jammed. She didnt have to shoot him multiple times. After she had practically kill him already by slitting his throat the one shot to the head was done. That is why the ME could find very little blood from the gun shot wound. He had already just about bled out by that time and would have died anyway from the slit throat that almost decapitated him.

Everytime this discussion comes up it reminds me of what Arias said and that was Travis told her the best way to overcome her fears is to confront them. He was talking about Jodi acquiring a firearm and knowing how to shoot it. I think since she is so twisted, diabolical, and evil to the core it was to show Travis that indeed she had overcome her fear of using a firearm by shooting him in the head.

IMO

 

[norest4thewicked]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-jury-views-photos-deep-gashes-boyfriend/story?id=18160526


Jodi Arias stabbed and slashed ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander with such force that a wound to his head chipped away bone from his skull and his throat was cut so deeply that the knife almost reached his spinal cord, the Maricopa County medical examiner testified today.

The graphic testimony about Alexander's injuries came on the third day of Arias' murder trial in Phoenix, Ariz. Arias cried throughout the testimony and looked away from photos of Alexander's decomposing body taken by Medical Examiner Kevin Horn.

Alexander's sisters, who looked away from the gruesome photographs for much of the testimony, eventually abandoned their courtroom seats and left crying.

Horn also testified that Arias fired a bullet through Alexander's brain, likely after he was already dead. Establishing a sequence of events in the murder is crucial to the state's effort to secure the death penalty in this case.

 

[Isabelle]

I am watching some of the tapes they showed today, of the interview at the station, where they finally tell Arias that they have saved the pictures from the camera. And she jumps right into a long spiel of lame but creative excuses---the time stamp is wrong, someone must be framing me, that is an old camera I had in storage---She reminds me so much of FCA. She and Casey even look like each other. Gross.

Oh, and the "could my sim card have gotten in his camera?" GMAB! I wanted to reach through the puter and choke her!

 

[norest4thewicked]

I cant help thinking it was intentionally one shot. I dont think the gun jammed. She didnt have to shoot him multiple times. After she had practically kill him already by slitting his throat the one shot to the head was done. That is why the ME could find very little blood from the gun shot wound. He had already just about bled out by that time and would have died anyway from the slit throat that almost decapitated him.

Everytime this discussion comes up it reminds me of what Arias said and that was Travis told her the best way to overcome her fears is to confront them. He was talking about Jodi acquiring a firearm and knowing how to shoot it. I think since she is so twisted, diabolical, and evil to the core it was to show Travis that indeed she had overcome her fear of using a firearm by shooting him in the head.

IMO

Exactly! Thank you!

 

[shiloh42]

Just for kicks, say folks believe JA's ninja story....(major eye rolls here)
I would have to ask her:
1. Did you call an ambulance for TA as you say he was still alive?
2. Did you call your family and give them a warning that they may be in danger of these murdering ninjas?
3. Did you call the police and inform them that your family may be in danger and they needed protection?
4. Why do you take the "word" of 2 murdering ninja's that no harm will come to you when they attempted, according to JA, to shoot you but the gun jammed?

Ya'll have any questions for her?

Probably many others have said this: why would you call Travis' voice mail knowing he was dead and inviting him to go see the coast?

 

[GobBluth]

Does anyone have the autopsy report?

I'm not complaining about watching that ME again...just wanted to look at it while I re-watch that hunk of a guy.

Hahaha, no kidding! Handsome, smart, and well-spoken. Not a bad re-watch!

He did stress that the bullet would have HAD to have passed through the brain based on the trajectory, but with the brain decomposed, it wasn't present to show the path. But the trajectory was crystal clear based on the bullet entry/almost-exit, and in-between is where the brain is. In everyone. No doubt whatsoever.

 

[FrayedKnot]

On Rasputin's autopsy, I think the official cause of death was listed as hypothermia from being thrown into the freezing river.

Of course his lungs contained river water, he had been shot four times, once through the head, and had been poisoned in what should have been lethal doses. Throw in a few stab wounds and it's anybody's (other than the "experts") guess as to how/why Rasputin really died.

But hypothermia is (I think) the official cause. Ummmm kay.

 

[bobloblaw]

Don't forget the line of questioning by the defense attorney regarding the bullet. The bullet may have somehow managed to avoid the brain despite its trajectory, all because decomp had set in and there wasn't enough brain tissue left for the ME to determine what kind of damage the bullet did to the brain.

I know for me that raises all sorts of questions about what happened with the order of injuries inflicted and it's also left me very confused about the basic laws of physics.

Also there were no burn marks on his skin from a close range gun shot...

 

[chakti]

Guys...the EXPERT has already said that the shot came last. Why is this even still a question? I'm not understanding.

Just do a search on Seven Horrific head injury x-rays of people who survived.
I believe it could have been first and I think JA almost let the truth slip.