Greta OTR Mon., 12/22/08

[Pattymarie]

Whatever happened with Nicole G? I thought they were going to name a suspect 2 weeks ago.

 

[Penelope]

Yes Whisperer, great post. You have described my stepdaughter's mother to a "t", and I pray every day that my stepdaughter is able to escape becoming too damaged by this woman. (My stepdaughter has already started to lie to avoid being punished, and she has been taught by her mother all her life that she is a "princess, even while the mother continually yells at her and outs her down!) When my husband (her ex) passed away last spring, she turned it into a major drama about her and her grieving daughter. In respect to my husband, I bit my tongue until the funerel was over, then told her I did not appreciate her behavior and would not speak to her anymore. And I have not.

Throughout her life, this woman has been able to fool everyone, especially men. She is like a wild animal-- and knows how to protect herself big time. Her daughter has been told not to air the family's dirty little secret (her mother's craziness) or else she will be put into a foster home and will never see her mother again. The daughter is 12-- and her and her mother are emeshed in a very sick, co-dependant relationship-- very similar to what her mother had with her grandmother. In fact, this "craziness" can be traced back a number of generations.

My husband saw her for what she was only after they got legally married. After his divorce, he always pandered to her and told her what she wanted to hear because he did not want to get her angy-- her anger is legend among all who know her. He wanted to see his daughter and she had full custody. If she got too angry, she would have denied him access and done God-knows what!

 

[4Siamese]

One thing I wanted to point out. I believe Cindy kept KC at the maturity of a 16 year old. In one of the early jailhouse tapes, when KC says that she will get a job, Cindy says, "you don't have to work". This was probably how she kept KC under her thumb. Encouraging her not to find a job, yet belittling KC at every step of the way. In addition to that, Cindy undermined KC by calling herself "mommy" to Caylee while KC and her friends (ie JG) were present, and downing KC's abilities in front of others, to the point where KC probably felt worthless and trapped. My own opinion is that Cindy has played a big role in this. She might as well have been the accomplice. It's a sad story all around.

I have wondered if CA knew that KC wasn't working all along, and it was ok with her. If CA thought of Caylee as her own child, then KC was just a "babysitter" for Caylee while CA was earning the money for the household. I think CA felt comfortable with KC watching Caylee. She never thought that KC would hurt her. CA didn't want anyone else watching Caylee, so she was content to let KC steal money and lie about having a job.

 

[absolut_alexis]

I wish Daniel weren't a defense Attorney. He is a gentle being with a good soul. I have had the pleasure of talking with him during a trial. He makes you feel like a better person after speaking with him...and know what..you probably are.

Maybe that is what makes him a good defense attorney? Criminals are the very people who need to be around those who can inspire others to feel better & behave like better people.

 

[trac]

Thank you!!!

And, at a certain age ........... we HAVE/MAKE CHOICES ......... KC made hers!

The "blame game" just doesn't cut it with me, sorry.
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i have to agree with this one - the parents needed to work with the tough love - gave her choices - she has to make her choice

Casey could have done much bigger damage financially - Casey knew everything about their bank accounts and credit cards

My guess is that they were afraid of Casey - they gave her way too much power

 

[Patty G]

Greta OTR Videos

 

[4Siamese]

Greta OTR Videos

Thanks Patty G !!

 

[wallflower67]

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I find it tacky that the first business day after Caylee was identified Jesse is doing a media blitz with a media lawyer, while also being a witness for the prosecution.

Jesse is a victim of KC too. So I don't have a prob with him telling his story unless he compromises the prosecution.

He seemed very shocked at the difference between the KC he was involved with and the KC who is sitting in prison. That might help the defense if they are planning to go the insanity route, which it doesn't sound like they will.

 

[ziggy]

Yes Whisperer, great post. You have described my stepdaughter's mother to a "t", and I pray every day that my stepdaughter is able to escape becoming too damaged by this woman. (My stepdaughter has already started to lie to avoid being punished, and she has been taught by her mother all her life that she is a "princess, even while the mother continually yells at her and outs her down!) When my husband (her ex) passed away last spring, she turned it into a major drama about her and her grieving daughter. In respect to my husband, I bit my tongue until the funerel was over, then told her I did not appreciate her behavior and would not speak to her anymore. And I have not.

Throughout her life, this woman has been able to fool everyone, especially men. She is like a wild animal-- and knows how to protect herself big time. Her daughter has been told not to air the family's dirty little secret (her mother's craziness) or else she will be put into a foster home and will never see her mother again. The daughter is 12-- and her and her mother are emeshed in a very sick, co-dependant relationship-- very similar to what her mother had with her grandmother. In fact, this "craziness" can be traced back a number of generations.

My husband saw her for what she was only after they got legally married. After his divorce, he always pandered to her and told her what she wanted to hear because he did not want to get her angy-- her anger is legend among all who know her. He wanted to see his daughter and she had full custody. If she got too angry, she would have denied him access and done God-knows what!

Oh My God, I feel your pain. Same situation...Mr.Zig's 12 yo daughter and her very sick Mother. Of course, they look and act normal to anyone else, but the level of narcissism is severe. The 15 yo son has never bought into his mom's manipulation and delusions and she HATES him. Funny how she keeps trying to control him though. The daughter has been primed to be the Head in charge. She is spoiled and allowed to do and say anything she wishes to the point her own brother refuses to be around her. All this so she will stay at Mom's and not like Dad's house where rules and respect are insisted upon. She will not be corrected ever and worse, she cannot be wrong about anything or lose at anything or she throws a fit. She lives in a fantasy world of her own just like her Mother and gets everyone to do her dirty work and cater to her. It's so scarey. Her father is ill and may not live long and she treats him like he doesn't exist, even though he's been the one to nurture her as a child. Even before the divorce MoM went on a campaign to ruin Mr. Zig, stealing and storing money for two years to divorce him with and telling the kids the reason he worked late and travelled out of the country was because he didn't really want a family and didn't want to be with them.

Wow.

You see, I really do blame CA a lot for KC. I see it so clearly. Yes, KC is the monster and the one who actually acted out with something criminal but CA is culpable in my book. She continues to cover and never admit she is wrong about Caylee being alive, about KCs lies and behavior. Poor KC to a certain extent. The mind can be so "f"ed up by these people. Mature adults have a hard time not being sucked in, children have no chance.

 

[TxLady2]

I did hear Mark F. say that LE called the meter reader back after they went out to look for the bag and couldn't find it, didn't I? This is the first time I heard this. And, IIRC, Mark said the meter man couldn't find it after they called him out, either. Mark F. said he could understand how this could happen and that he didn't think there was really any fault on LE's part. I was glad to hear this and that he was sticking up for them. It all made sense to me. What did you all think? . . .or am I just real uninformed and it wasn't fresh news to you all?

Hi, Expecting... I had not heard that either, but I seem to recall reading or seeing something about the bag that he found on Dec. 11th was NOT the same bag he saw in Aug. Not sure if that is true, or if the bag was moved.
It would be nice to get the real truth instead of a lot of rumors! I would like to know about the duct tape... where it was, and what it was actually stuck to.

 

[passionflower]

no thread for Greta 12/23.......what's new? BELLA VIDA 2x2 inch on shoulder by tattoo
guy. July 2 came without Caylee in friend's car. Wanted an appt for a few days later, but never made it. kc was in a good mood, same as always just another day. Told him Caylee was with 'the nanny'

 

[CarolynV]

Hi everybody. Greta was off tonight but I heard Mark F was on as a guest, and I wondered if anyone caught it, what the topic was?

Thanks, I took a 5 hr nap and I need something new to read.

 

[RR0004]

Hi everybody. Greta was off tonight but I heard Mark F was on as a guest, and I wondered if anyone caught it, what the topic was?

Thanks, I took a 5 hr nap and I need something new to read.

They were talking about the connection with the tv show. Didn't hear much. Also talked about defense strategy. How JB should come out right off the bat and say "Yes, my client lied because she was afraid for her daughter, but that doesn't make her a murderer." (my own words, but that was the gist.)

 

[Pink Panther]

Jesse is a victim of KC too. So I don't have a prob with him telling his story unless he compromises the prosecution.

He seemed very shocked at the difference between the KC he was involved with and the KC who is sitting in prison. That might help the defense if they are planning to go the insanity route, which it doesn't sound like they will.

I have no problem with him telling his story either...BUT I am not in the least shocked about his confusion regarding the KC he knew and the KC that is...After all, this woman (and yes, she IS an ADULT woman) chit-faced lied to him and his family about his being Caylee's father. ? WTH? That's a pretty obvious sign of someone who is NOT QUITE RIGHT in my estimation!

MOO

 

[reeseeva]

I have no problem with him telling his story either...BUT I am not in the least shocked about his confusion regarding the KC he knew and the KC that is...After all, this woman (and yes, she IS an ADULT woman) chit-faced lied to him and his family about his being Caylee's father. ? WTH? That's a pretty obvious sign of someone who is NOT QUITE RIGHT in my estimation!

MOO

Pink Panther, So how is the Casey he knew then different from the Casey now? He had only dated her for 7 months when Caylee was born. Why did he even take a paternity test:waitasec: