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Million dollar question. We'd all love to know.
Interesting. I thought the suitcase was not yet unpacked from her moving in with BW. Bri testified the owner of the condo she was renting from kept the master bedroom locked, but when Heather moved in, and they didn't have anywhere to put her stuff, BW unlocked the master and put Heather's stuff in there. I just assumed Heather was living out of the suitcase and hadn't unpacked it yet.Remember seeing a photo of the apartment where there was an overflowing suitcase that appeared to have been hastily packed.
Wonder if Sidney told her, in addition to wanting to leave Tammy & be with Heather, that they would need to “run away together” & she had packed her bag in anticipation of that?
Interesting. I thought the suitcase was not yet unpacked from her moving in with BW. Bri testified the owner of the condo she was renting from kept the master bedroom locked, but when Heather moved in, and they didn't have anywhere to put her stuff, BW unlocked the master and put Heather's stuff in there. I just assumed Heather was living out of the suitcase and hadn't unpacked it yet.
In the first picture, you can see the trash bags still fully packed with Heather's belongings. You can also see a beach/pool towel and some bedding next to the suitcase. In the 2nd photo, you can really tell how high things are piled on top of the suitcase. I don't believe she would've thought she could shove all that down in there and get the suitcase to close. When I was 20 and living with roommates, my clothes were strewn all over my bedroom floor, unless we straightened up for a party. And if we went on a road trip, who knows how long my stuff would sit in my bag when I got back. And I had a dresser and a closet! I don't mean to project; I'm just using my own time machine to try and put myself in the mindset of a 20-year old. Anything is possible, but I believe she was just living like a 20-year old. JMO.Yes, Bri testified to this and it makes perfect sense. She didn't have a dresser in which to store her belongings.
Anyone have any ideas what the male cousin saw in the picture where he said he didn't think he would ever see HE again?
In the first picture, you can see the trash bags still fully packed with Heather's belongings. You can also see a beach/pool towel and some bedding next to the suitcase. In the 2nd photo, you can really tell how high things are piled on top of the suitcase. I don't believe she would've thought she could shove all that down in there and get the suitcase to close. When I was 20 and living with roommates, my clothes were strewn all over my bedroom floor, unless we straightened up for a party. And if we went on a road trip, who knows how long my stuff would sit in my bag when I got back. And I had a dresser and a closet! I don't mean to project; I'm just using my own time machine to try and put myself in the mindset of a 20-year old. Anything is possible, but I believe she was just living like a 20-year old. JMO.
I agree with those who think it looked like she was dead, but you can't ask "was she dead in this photo?" because you can't testify (well unless it is particularly gruesome) whether or not someone is dead in a photo.
I guess I'm one of the few who isn't completely convinced that the photo existed. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. I want more proof. For a crime so well conceived and carried out that they almost got away with it, I would be surprised that they would create proof that they did it, and that they would save it for that long (long after the police were looking at them).
Nancy brought up the wrecked car with both AC and TM. Sidney talked about the wrecked car in his interview with Large and TM posted about it on FB. IMO, there is something up with that car.
She (her phone pings) spent the most amount of time at LBs. IIRC in SM trial, the phone expert went into detail about her phone moving around while it was there (walking in the parking lot is what I pictured) so she must have gotten out of her car there and why would she get out if she was alone? In my mind, if she were waiting she would have stayed in her car where it was warm. Even if she was smoking (not that I know she was a smoker but DH is so I just throw that in my theories), I think she would have stayed in her warm car. The phone heads back then changes course then goes to PTL (IIRC right?) so IMHO that is the guilty parties figuring out what to do with her car. I think they were going to leave it back at her apt but decided on PTL at the last minute and those frantic calls from PTL were not Heather. Even if they did take her in their truck, I don't think she was the one driving her car which makes more sense b/c how would they get her from her car into the truck without anyone at the apt complex seeing them?
Does anyone have a theory where she did willing drive herself to PTL?
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Normally I would say that someone who behaves like the Ms have would not leave that sort of evidence but with TM/SM it would not surprise me at all that they had a "flip phone" with a picture of Heather. IMHO TM has at least 1 trophy from that night. I don't know what or where it is but my opinion of her personality from the past 5 years is she would need to keep something close by. Even something as small as Heather's actual key ring or something in plain sight.
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I agree with those who think it looked like she was dead, but you can't ask "was she dead in this photo?" because you can't testify (well unless it is particularly gruesome) whether or not someone is dead in a photo.
I guess I'm one of the few who isn't completely convinced that the photo existed. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. I want more proof. For a crime so well conceived and carried out that they almost got away with it, I would be surprised that they would create proof that they did it, and that they would save it for that long (long after the police were looking at them).
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What I can't make sense of is if they had a flip phone and used a payphone then why incriminate themselves by using Heather's phone for her last phone calls to Sidney ( a 4 minute call from her apartment parking lot and several calls from PTL? Those calls drew attention on Sidney and that is why detectives showed up at his home the next day.
That's why I think someone took TM's & SM's phones back to the compound, so they would ping there. I feel like the plan was to leave Heather's car at her apartment, but something went awry with that plan. Maybe the person driving it panicked if their ride wasn't there to pick them up right away? Maybe that panic caused them to call from the only phone in their possession (Heather's) to SM's phone? Maybe that's why nobody answered the first call to SM's phone from Heather's? Maybe that's why the truck drove so fast to and from PTL to pick that person up, because it wasn't part of the plan? JMO.bolded by me
What I can't make sense of is if they had a flip phone and used a payphone then why incriminate themselves by using Heather's phone for her last phone calls to Sidney ( a 4 minute call from her apartment parking lot and several calls from PTL? Those calls drew attention on Sidney and that is why detectives showed up at his home the next day.
DATELINE NBC: PARENTS OF MISSING SOUTH CAROLINA WOMAN SPEAK OUT ABOUT DISAPPEARANCE THAT MADE NATIONAL HEADLINES
Heather Elvis’ Father tells Dateline in First National TV Interview: “We’re not giving up”
The Landing Airs Friday, November 2 at 10 p.m. ET/PT, 9 p.m. CT
So 20/20 scraped the interview with TM last week and Dateline is now airing an interview with TE on Friday?