Hailey Dunn General Discussion #1

[kirby]

AGAIN LE have said there was no credible sightings of Hailey on the Monday. There is no proof that Hailey was alive on the monday and personally I dont believe for one second that she was unfortunately.

As for MB I dont believe at all that she was Haileys best friend. But like MB mom said in the post linked on there that text message will be used as evidence.

There is another young girl that Bd has referred to as hailey's best friend. I'll call her H. H has attended vigils. H's mother has referred to special keepsakes of hailey that H has. So, it makes me ponder why MB was used in the scenario. Could be that she was the only friend close enough to walk. I just wonder why that name was used and not someone she had actually spent the night with before

 

[For The Kids]

There is another young girl that Bd has referred to as hailey's best friend. I'll call her H. H has attended vigils. H's mother has referred to special keepsakes of hailey that H has. So, it makes me ponder why MB was used in the scenario. Could be that she was the only friend close enough to walk. I just wonder why that name was used and not someone she had actually spent the night with before

From all accounts I would say that H was Haileys best friend also. I would actually question whether MB and Hailey were even that close even given that MB's mom had no idea what Billie looked like even.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

There is another young girl that Bd has referred to as hailey's best friend. I'll call her H. H has attended vigils. H's mother has referred to special keepsakes of hailey that H has. So, it makes me ponder why MB was used in the scenario. Could be that she was the only friend close enough to walk. I just wonder why that name was used and not someone she had actually spent the night with before

BBM. I have wondered the same thing myself. Was MB the only friend of Hailey's whose number was programmed into BD's phone? Making it easier for someone to send the "what are you doing text"? It also made it convenient to call DD to call MB to send Hailey home, but how would DD remember MB's number, so one would have to surmise it was programmed into the phone.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

She keeps changing her story because that is what she does. Some people are like that. They don't have a good grasp of the importance of facts and their perception of fact changes from day to day depending on their mood and what else is going on in their life.

I think BD has a good grasp of reality and the importance of facts. Emotions/moods do not change facts. Only when one is trying to circumvent the truth does a story change.

The earrings were part of the description initially given of the items she was believed to have with her. Since she spent time at both parents houses, and since they lived close together, LE would have checked to see if any of those clothing items were at the other house. There is no way that any competent LE officer would fail to do that. And even if they did fail to do that, the description would have been available to CD's side, so surely it would have occurred to them to tell LE that the description was not correct. They didn't.

BD thought Hailey had the earrings on she also told LE she was wearing tennis shoes but those were later found in BD's house, so BD had to change the description to flip flops. BD was running this show, so to speak. I don't think at that point and time CD was allowed by BD to have much say so about anything. LE did look for the items, that is how the tennis shoes were found.

For whatever reason best known to CD's household, that information was not shared with LE.

I mean, it is not like these were random nondescript items. HD had just recieved them and anything that happened to them would have been a big deal. How could someone just forget about that?

At that time I can see where it was just a pair of earrings that were hurting her ears. She took them out. No big deal. I doubt that BD would have listened to anything CD or his girlfriend had to say or offer when it came to giving a description of what she was or wasn't wearing, after all, SD was the last person to see Hailey.

Like I said, maybe they are just really confused people, but it is a problem because it implies that they are not being upfront about everything.

Red by me.
Exactly. When someone like BD and SA are not upfront with their answers to LE it definitely implies that they are hiding something. When the Mother of a missing child can not keep the facts straight, lies, omits information and fails polygraphs, that is not emotion or confusion, that is calculating. JMO.

 

[For The Kids]

BBM. I have wondered the same thing myself. Was MB the only friend of Hailey's whose number was programmed into BD's phone? Making it easier for someone to send the "what are you doing text"? It also made it convenient to call DD to call MB to send Hailey home, but how would DD remember MB's number, so one would have to surmise it was programmed into the phone.

I would imagine HR's number was programmed into the phone also. I honestly dont think MB and Hailey were all that close. As to why they picked MB over HR maybe they just didnt want to try and implicate HR into this? After all MB came from a dodgy family and maybe Billie thought they would be another set of people for LE to blame Haileys disappearance on to?

 

[matou]

There is another young girl that Bd has referred to as hailey's best friend. I'll call her H. H has attended vigils. H's mother has referred to special keepsakes of hailey that H has. So, it makes me ponder why MB was used in the scenario. Could be that she was the only friend close enough to walk. I just wonder why that name was used and not someone she had actually spent the night with before

I think MB was used because it's a name SA had heard before and he saw her name and number in Billie's cell phone. JMO

 

[For The Kids]

I think MB was used because it's a name SA had heard before and he saw her name and number in Billie's cell phone. JMO

A young ex friend of Haileys recently came onto facebook. She commented that Hailey had recently got with new friends so they had fallen out. It makes me wonder whether MB was in the old lot of friends or the new ones.

 

[matou]

I think the text is a complete red herring. JMO

 

[sreshowtime]

imho, MB was a diversionary tactic of sorts

 

[Soulmagent]

Your blaming this onto Clint but i think you forget the fact that Billie knew Hailey wasnt wearing those earrings. Like I said LE were satisfied with Clints answers. It was Billie and Shawns they have problems with. Maybe Billie when on Nancy Grace should have said there was a mistake and Hailey was not wearing the earrings? I suppose one question would be why did she lie?

I didnt know it was fact Billie know when she reported Hailey missing that she did not have the earings on. I thought David found an earring at CDs. And Noami was the one who KNEW HD did not have the earings on.

 

[For The Kids]

I didnt know it was fact Billie know when she reported Hailey missing that she did not have the earings on. I thought David found an earring at CDs. And Noami was the one who KNEW HD did not have the earings on.

But like I said we dont know what Naomi and Clint have told LE. My point is Tugela is trying to blame Clint and Naomi when Billie has known for a very long time now that Hailey wasnt wearing them.

 

[Soulmagent]

But like I said we dont know what Naomi and Clint have told LE. My point is Tugela is trying to blame Clint and Naomi when Billie has known for a very long time now that Hailey wasnt wearing them.

We know what Naomi said on blog talk. I also know the earring issue was not addressed until the day after DD found it at CD'S house. So I reasoned Naomi knew Hailey did not have the earrings on and said nothing until after BD was taking crap for the earring . Not even to correct the missing poster .

I was just wondering how we know for a fact that BD know HD did not have the earrings on before then?

I dont think Tugela is trying to blame anyone. I just think she sees a few loose ends in other peoples actions and statements that seem to get overlooked even though those actions and statements are very questionable.

I wonder myself why people skip over the LE lies and other peoples lies and only focus on BD and SA 's lies. Why is everyone lying? EVERYONE.

Including minors.

 

[For The Kids]

We know what Naomi said on blog talk. I also know the earring issue was not addressed until the day after DD found it at CD'S house. So I reasoned Naomi knew Hailey did not have the earrings on and said nothing until after BD was taking crap for the earring . Not even to correct the missing poster .

I was just wondering how we know for a fact that BD know HD did not have the earrings on before then?

I dont think Tugela is trying to blame anyone. I just think she sees a few loose ends in other peoples actions and statements that seem to get overlooked even though those actions and statements are very questionable.

I wonder myself why people skip over the LE lies and other peoples lies and only focus on BD and SA 's lies. Why is everyone lying? EVERYONE.

Including minors.

What minors are lieing? and where have LE lied? As for SA lieing apart from what he claimed about the Monday he hasnt said much but when he does he at least keeps to the same story unlike Billie. As for why we focus on Billie? maybe because after two whole years we still do not have a reliable time line for the day before and day she supposedly went missing and this is solely down to Billie as its her that keeps changing her story.

Hailey is missing. She is the victim here. If Billie really is innocent she needs to tell the truth and liase with LE. She also needs to get out there and promote awareness of Haiiley being missing.

 

[Soulmagent]

What minors are lieing? and where have LE lied? As for SA lieing apart from what he claimed about the Monday he hasnt said much but when he does he at least keeps to the same story unlike Billie. As for why we focus on Billie? maybe because after two whole years we still do not have a reliable time line for the day before and day she supposedly went missing and this is solely down to Billie as its her that keeps changing her story.

They lied about randomly dropping the dogs at motels ,they lied about child *advertiser censored* . I am sure there are things I am forgetting as well.


I dont wonder why anyone focused on Billie ,I just stated I wondered why she and her statements alone are the only ones focused on. I can only guess about her timeline changes and it could be anything to she knows what happened to Hailey to she was on pills that whole day before and is foggy about the events before that day . I dont know.

I cannot talk about the minors.

 

[For The Kids]

They lied about randomly dropping the dogs at motels ,they lied about child *advertiser censored* . I am sure there are things I am forgetting as well.


I dont wonder why anyone focused on Billie ,I just stated I wondered why she and her statements alone are the only ones focused on. I can only guess about her timeline changes and it could be anything to she knows what happened to Hailey to she was on pills that whole day before and is foggy about the events before that day . I dont know.

I cannot talk about the minors.

Or it could simply be that shes implicated in what happened to Hailey. IMO the changes shes made, things shes omitted they are not down to pills or being foggy about events. You dont forget what happened the Sunday night or who took you to work or who was at your house that day.

As for lieing about childporn did they? Billie herself has said that LE showed her some of it. Was she lieing? as for randomly dropping dogs at the hotel I dont know what you mean sorry.

 

[katydid23]

Or it could simply be that shes implicated in what happened to Hailey. IMO the changes shes made, things shes omitted they are not down to pills or being foggy about events. You dont forget what happened the Sunday night or who took you to work or who was at your house that day.

As for lieing about childporn did they? Billie herself has said that LE showed her some of it. Was she lieing? as for randomly dropping dogs at the hotel I dont know what you mean sorry.

I don't think that LE lied about the child *advertiser censored*. I think it was found on the family computer at mom's or grandmas. And if so, it would be impossible to make an arrest because so many different people had access to it.

 

[For The Kids]

I don't think that LE lied about the child *advertiser censored*. I think it was found on the family computer at mom's or grandmas. And if so, it would be impossible to make an arrest because so many different people had access to it.

Also what was it that Mac said about the XBox again?

 

[Tugela]

Your blaming this onto Clint but i think you forget the fact that Billie knew Hailey wasnt wearing those earrings. Like I said LE were satisfied with Clints answers. It was Billie and Shawns they have problems with. Maybe Billie when on Nancy Grace should have said there was a mistake and Hailey was not wearing the earrings? I suppose one question would be why did she lie?

I am not blaming CD, we don't know what happened to HD so we don't know who to blame. I am not convinced that he is being upfront though, but his reasons for that might have nothing to do with HD. However, there is never the less a discrepancy that was not corrected in a timely fashion, and an enquiring mind would ask why. I always got the impression that he was selling us a line as much as BD was, and I thought that was really weird. Do you not remember the NG interview where he started saying that DD came over the day HD disappeared, then was sharply corrected by BD? Or the ludicrous claim that LE had no interest in giving him a poly even though he "wanted" to take one? Really? These people are confused about what happened when, they keep on getting stuff wrong or mixed up.

How do you know that BD knew HD wasn't wearing the earrings? You are assuming that the GF's account is right. Maybe it isn't.

It doesn't matter if LE are satisfied or not. If charges are ever laid against SA and/or BD based on the information currently known, these issues WILL come back in trial if there is no satisfactory answer, since it establishes reasonable doubt.

 

[For The Kids]

I am not blaming CD, we don't know what happened to HD so we don't know who to blame. I am not convinced that he is being upfront though, but his reasons for that might have nothing to do with HD. However, there is never the less a discrepancy that was not corrected in a timely fashion, and an enquiring mind would ask why. I always got the impression that he was selling us a line as much as BD was, and I thought that was really weird. Do you not remember the NG interview where he started saying that DD came over the day HD disappeared, then was sharply corrected by BD? Or the ludicrous claim that LE had no interest in giving him a poly even though he "wanted" to take one? Really? These people are confused about what happened when, they keep on getting stuff wrong or mixed up.

How do you know that BD knew HD wasn't wearing the earrings? You are assuming that the GF's account is right. Maybe it isn't.

It doesn't matter if LE are satisfied or not. If charges are ever laid against SA and/or BD based on the information currently known, these issues WILL come back in trial if there is no satisfactory answer, since it establishes reasonable doubt.

Ok you said that DD came over the day HD disappeared and was sharply corrected by BD the problem with this is its apparent to some that Billie wants to control what is and what isnt said. Her behaviour with Shawn shows this. The few times that Shawn has dared to comment about anything then Billie has thrown anything she could at him to stop him from talking. My personal opinion from everything that is known that Billie has been in charge since Hailey " went missing" and will only let things get out that wont implicate her. The only problem is she generally screws up and implicates herself anyway.

Also you say that I assume that Naomi is telling the truth. What you forget is that i have talked to Billie personally and know things arent as clear cut as has been in the media.

 

[Tugela]

Red by me.
Exactly. When someone like BD and SA are not upfront with their answers to LE it definitely implies that they are hiding something. When the Mother of a missing child can not keep the facts straight, lies, omits information and fails polygraphs, that is not emotion or confusion, that is calculating. JMO.

Her shoes would have been unremarkable, but that is not the case with the earrings. It is the sort of thing that should have been remembered.

BD would have listed the things she thought were not there, in other words probably with HD. If the shoes were tucked away somewhere it is reasonable that BD would have assumed HD had them. That is not the case with the earrings, they were not tucked away, the GF supposedly was well aware of where they were. Moreover, she was well aware that they supposedly had been left there the previous day.

The description might have been made by HD without consultation with CD, but LE would have double checked with him and his household as part of their investigation since HD spent significant time there. One of the things they would have asked for sure is "Hey! Are any of these items here? Tell us before we find them ourselves". Remember, LE supposedly "cleared" CD, which means that must have spoken to him and his family at length and in exhaustive detail. So why was the fact that the earrings were at his house not pointed out?

Instead we have to wait until DD finds one while CD is moving house a week later. If he had not found them, those earrings would still be listed as part of her description.