Hailey Dunn General Discussion #1

[For The Kids]

02-12-2012, 07:38 PM
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I did end up listening, Tricia's post was convincing.
One of the new things I got out of the interview ... The video game Hailey was playing that night takes pictures of you while you are playing. Billie says someone in LE told her Hailey was wearing those red earrings in those photo's. The same earring that was found at Clint's house (I believe only one was found, the mate was missing).

Did we know this previously? Maybe I missed that part?

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162505&page=4
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I thought Billie said LE said they wasnt sure if she was wearing the earrings? that LE said she looked happy in the photo. That they was going to give her a copy of it but never did. I personally have doubts that these photos even exist or that she was even on the XBox that evening.

 

[For The Kids]

That is exactly what I think.

In all honesty I believe Billie picked all the details and he just went along with what he was ordered to say.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

In all honesty I believe Billie picked all the details and he just went along with what he was ordered to say.

That could very well be true too. I am open to other ideas, hypothesis and theories when it comes to this case but I think the truth is in the hands of 2 people and those 2 people only.

 

[Knox]

Well, BD was at work at that time, and SA was in Big Spring. This we know. So, who else could have sent the message other than HD? SA said she was at home when he got back, so it must have been her who did it. The only other alternative would be someone with access to the house and phone, who was not either of those three, and there are realistically only two people who that could be. Unless you think that one of them sent the message, it had to be HD. And if that is your theory, then SA must be covering for one of those two alternative individuals.

Remember, the neighbor reported seeing her in the back yard using the phone at around midday, which close enough to 2PM to correlate with the text message.

Why did MB not reply? That seems strange if she received a message from her best friend and did nothing in response.

Billie was the one who stated the witness saw Hailey in the backyard. At the time she made a big deal of it, but now she never mentions any of the sitings of Hailey. Why is that?

I don't believe the backyard siting was accurate, it would have been a key fact which if true, would have been repeated by LE and the media. IMO, none of those sitings of Hailey were accurate.

MB did not reply, because she did not see the message until later, IIRC it was actually Tuesday when David called her. Who knows why, maybe her battery was dead or she was just busy.

As for the 2:00PM text which pinged off a CC City tower ... I'm not sure how Shawn pulled that one off. One of the explanations I look forward to hearing from LE one day.

 

[For The Kids]

Billie was the one who stated the witness saw Hailey in the backyard. At the time she made a big deal of it, but now she never mentions any of the sitings of Hailey. Why is that?

I don't believe the backyard siting was accurate, it would have been a key fact which if true, would have been repeated by LE and the media. IMO, none of those sitings of Hailey were accurate.

MB did not reply, because she did not see the message until later, IIRC it was actually Tuesday when David called her. Who knows why, maybe her battery was dead or she was just busy.

As for the 2:00PM text which pinged off a CC City tower ... I'm not sure how Shawn pulled that one off. One of the explanations I look forward to hearing from LE one day.

The one thing I am 100% sure on is that Hailey didnt send it

 

[cluciano63]

The sighting reminds me of the one in Dylan Redwine's case, which for a long time, LE only said was "unconfirmed". They finally came out two weeks ago and explained they had spoken to the boys, one of whom the postal worker mistook for Dylan, and cleared them both. Perhaps something similar happened in this case.

 

[katydid23]

I agree, there is no proof that Hailey sent that message. Whoever had access to that phone at that time could have sent that message in hopes that LE would think Hailey had sent it. Obviously, whoever did send that message does not understand 13 year old little girls and cell phones. ONE message sent that said "what are you doing"? would have been followed by another text and if there was still no reply then a phone call, especially if they had made some sort of plans to get together. (Just my experience.)

BBM

EXACTLY. If my DD, at 13, had plans with a friend, she would not have stopped at one polite text. If she received no reply, she would have tried at least once or twice and said ' Are we still having a sleepover?' and if she got no reply she would have tried a different friend until she had some plans set up. Just my experience.

I have also wondered why she wouldn't have taken the cell with her. Billie left it for her to use, until she came home from work. My kids would have kept it and called when it wAs time for me to return and said " I have the cell, do you want me to bring it back or should I keep it until morning.' :wink:

 

[katydid23]

Your experience or the experience of your daughter (if you have one) is irrelevant. It only matters what HD would have or did do, and we don't know that.

Her experience with 13 yr old girls is completely relevant, imo. My experience with 13 yr olds tells me the same things hers does---that this ONE text makes little sense. JMO

No way a 13 yr old would go ahead and walk to a friends for a sleepover if their text was not replied to. Especially if it was a place they had never slept over at before and it was not a regular or routine thing.

 

[sreshowtime]

No cell records for either BD or SA's phones has been released,.IMO some info that pertains to SA's phone, regarding the tower 724 & 730 pings on Monday, is all that is publicly known.


mentions the phones & text-

Investigators Won't Release Cell Records in Dunn Case
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=343746

 

[ThoughtFox]

It's possible that Billie was just confused about the earrings and lied about noticing them before Hailey disappeared . . .
OR
BD knew Hailey didn't bring them home after Christmas and they would be found at Clint's house - red earrings/red herring.

We don't have to accept all the things Billie said months after the fact, since we can just go back to the beginning and read what Billie said, which was that she couldn't really remember if Hailey was wearing the earrings and that probably they were left at Clint's:

From CNN Transcript January 20, 2011 (Day of the Landfill Search)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/20/ng.01.html

GRACE: In addition to two landfalls being searched as we go to air, searches in relation to Hailey Dunn, to Jean Casarez, what can you tell me about that hoop earring?

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, the hoop earring could take this investigation in another direction. We know that they are red hoop earrings that Billie gave them to Hailey Dunn. Billie said she wore them on Christmas day when she went over to Clint`s house, her father`s, to spend the night. She believes when she came back, she had them on. She doesn't remember her not having them on. Yet one of them was found several days after Hailey went missing as Clint and his girlfriend were moving out of their apartment. So the issue is, could Hailey have been in that apartment the day she went missing, after she left her home?

GRACE: Rupa, have we heard any more about the earring?

MIKKILINENI: Nancy, we don`t. We do know that the police have collected the one remaining earring, which David, Billie`s son, had gathered over from Clint`s house and brought back here. And we know that they are investigating this. We also know that it is very possible that this earring could be really the key to -- as Jean was saying, to another direction of this investigation. It could lead to --

GRACE: I know what you and Jean are suggesting, and I understand that this could point back toward the father or the girlfriend. That she was there the day she went missing. Now, Clint Dunn says, point blank, Hailey left that hoop earring at his apartment Christmas night when she slept over. That would have been Saturday night. What about that? Would that fit into the timeline, Jean Casarez?

CASAREZ: She just left the earrings there, didn`t have them on anymore, and that would take the investigation away from that house. But let`s remember, Clint has been relentless in the search for his daughter. But we don`t know who else could have been in the house that day.

GRACE: To Billie Dunn. You believe -- you told me that she was wearing those earrings over Christmas. Did she spend the night with her father Christmas evening?

DUNN: She did.

GRACE: Are you absolutely positive she had the earrings on Sunday, the next day?

DUNN: No, I`m not.

GRACE: So him saying --

DUNN: I noticed that she had taken them out.

GRACE: Yes. So him saying she left it there Christmas night is entirely possible, correct?

DUNN: Yes.

 

[Donjeta]

Wasn't there a photo of Hailey playing on the XBox on Sunday or something? Did she have the earrings on in that one?

Maybe I'm misremembering.

 

[For The Kids]

Wasn't there a photo of Hailey playing on the XBox on Sunday or something? Did she have the earrings on in that one?

Maybe I'm misremembering.

Billie claims there was but thats never been confirmed. I personally dont believe thats true as unfortunately I do not believe she was alive by then.

 

[LisaB]

I agree, there is no proof that Hailey sent that message. Whoever had access to that phone at that time could have sent that message in hopes that LE would think Hailey had sent it. Obviously, whoever did send that message does not understand 13 year old little girls and cell phones. ONE message sent that said "what are you doing"? would have been followed by another text and if there was still no reply then a phone call, especially if they had made some sort of plans to get together. (Just my experience.)

Nobody has indicated that they had planned anything in advance. If they had, Billie would have known, and Hailey would not have had to leave a message with Shawn to tell her mother she was spending the night at MBs.

If Hailey did not have advance plans to sleep over at MB's, and the only communication between them (based on cell phone records) was a text FROM Hailey asking "what are you doing?" to which MB did not reply, there was no phone call (there's no landline so it would have had to been a call to or from Billie's cell) to arrange this.

SOMEBODY forgot to make a provision for this in their story. Nobody has claimed MB came over to invite Hailey, or that Hailey went to MB's, where she was invited in person, then went home to pack absolutely nothing before returning. There was no 2-way communication AT ALL between them. So exactly when did Hailey and MB (supposedly) arrange the sleepover?

 

[LisaB]

I didnt know it was fact Billie know when she reported Hailey missing that she did not have the earings on. I thought David found an earring at CDs. And Noami was the one who KNEW HD did not have the earings on.

The original MISSING posters said "red earrings" NOT "red gauges". For all Clint or Naomi may have known, she had removed the red gauges at their house, but was wearing a different set of red earrings when she went missing (since they knew she could not have had the gauges in since they had the one, and the other was lost when Hailey removed them on Christmas).

 

[LisaB]

Also what was it that Mac said about the XBox again?

That the kids might have been exposed to Billie and Shawn's home made *advertiser censored*, which was stored on the XBOX. I do not believe he indicated that any downloaded *advertiser censored* at all, much less child *advertiser censored*, was on it.

 

[For The Kids]

That the kids might have been exposed to Billie and Shawn's home made *advertiser censored*, which was stored on the XBOX. I do not believe he indicated that any downloaded *advertiser censored* at all, much less child *advertiser censored*, was on it.

No I wasnt suggesting that there was child *advertiser censored* on it but am curious as to why anyone would put *advertiser censored* on a XBOX used by young children.

 

[LisaB]

No I wasnt suggesting that there was child *advertiser censored* on it but am curious as to why anyone would put *advertiser censored* on a XBOX used by young children.

While I do not recall the comprehensive list of the A/V devices seized, it is possible that it was the only "video camera" they had (with an associated hard drive of sufficient capacity) to record their "adventures". I believe the phones may have been used to capture still images, but may not have been adequate for recording video.

 

[Tugela]

Mine, yours, LE's experience is very relevant when attempting to theorize what happened to Hailey or any other crime for that matter. Human nature is somewhat easy to predict. That is why the FBI can produce profiles, because in their experience they can base certain assumptions to some situations. Corporations use their experience with past products to market current products. The fashion industry utilizes the experience of veteran designers to base their seasonal designs on. Teachers use their past experience in the classroom to prepare for the new set of students in the fall. I theorize SA used the phone to text MB to make it appear that Hailey was going to MB's. Simple as that. JMO.

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As for SA using the phone to text MB, you are forgetting that at the time SA was in Big Spring, and HD's phone was in CC. So he could not have done it.

The only people who could have done it IMO are SA, BD, HD, DD or CD (they were the only ones with access and sufficient knowledge of HD's social life). SA and BD were in other cities at the time, so unless you are suggesting that DD or CD did it, the only option remaining is that HD herself did it.

 

[For The Kids]

<modsnip>

As for SA using the phone to text MB, you are forgetting that at the time SA was in Big Spring, and HD's phone was in CC. So he could not have done it.

The only people who could have done it IMO are SA, BD, HD, DD or CD (they were the only ones with access and sufficient knowledge of HD's social life). SA and BD were in other cities at the time, so unless you are suggesting that DD or CD did it, the only option remaining is that HD herself did it.

I cant help but think that anyone with sufficient knowledge of HDS social life would have known that there were other friends that Hailey was more likely to have stopped with than MB seeing as she had never once before even stopped at MBS and theres nothing to suggest that they was particularly friendly anyhow. As someone else has said (LisaB?) the text message doesnt even make sense because there was no reply to the text so why would she have gone there ( thats discounting the fact that no plans had been made to do so). The thing that confuses me is when your saying SA,BD, HD, DD or CD had to have sent this text. In all honesty im not sure why that is? Firstly LE certainly havent said they believe they believe that Hailey sent that text. Actually has it been confirmed by LE that DD couldnt have sent that text firstly? and secondly you have no way of knowing if anyone else didnt send the text ie someone at the house that we dont know about.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

<modsnip>

As for SA using the phone to text MB, you are forgetting that at the time SA was in Big Spring, and HD's phone was in CC. So he could not have done it.

The only people who could have done it IMO are SA, BD, HD, DD or CD (they were the only ones with access and sufficient knowledge of HD's social life). SA and BD were in other cities at the time, so unless you are suggesting that DD or CD did it, the only option remaining is that HD herself did it.

<modsnip>

It should be given fair consideration to develop an unbiased conclusion.

LE must have asked MB why she didn't reply. Her answer would be interesting. LE isn't talking, principal parties are giving conflicting statements and we have no idea who is telling the truth when! <modsnip>. So, imo, everyones' relevant experiences do hold some predictive value.

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