Hailey Dunn General Discussion #1

[Tugela]

She was even convicted of it.

Which is funny really because why would you lie to LE when there looking for the suspect in your childs disappearance?

Because she knew he had nothing to do with HD's dissappearance.

She would have believed that they were looking for him for an unrelated matter (such as drugs or something like that, perhaps),

And, as it turned out, they were looking for him on an unrelated matter.

Not only that, the unrelated matter was based on the flimsiest evidence possible.

 

[For The Kids]

DD isn't CD's child from what I understand, and they are separated and living separate lives, so he would have no rights regarding DD.

It doesn't matter what BD is doing now, she was trained as a nurse and worked as a nurse. Your knowledge and experience doesn't go poof just because you go on to work at some other job.

Clint and Blllie are separated now but that was done to his back four or five years ago. Clint and DD have a lot of contact. He stayed with him this past weekend in fact. Clint may not be DD's biological father but that doesn't mean hes not his dad. You don't need to share someones dna to be there mom or dad. Additionally if I remember correctly Clint thought he had adopted DD but then found out Billie had lied to him about it.

 

[For The Kids]

Because she knew he had nothing to do with HD's dissappearance.

She would have believed that they were looking for him for an unrelated matter (such as drugs or something like that, perhaps),

And, as it turned out, they were looking for him on an unrelated matter.

Not only that, the unrelated matter was based on the flimsiest evidence possible.

She knew he had nothing to do it is not a reason for lieing to LE that are looking for the suspect in her childs disappearance. As for not believing he had nothing to do with it she now claims that the day Hailey was last seen Shawns hands were covered in scratches and that day he was looking at decomposing on a computer. Billie is the one who has tried at every opportunity to stop him from talking out. Billie is the one who has tried to control whats come out and continually changed the timeline and what happened. Bit strange if she knew he/they wasn't involved. I have no doubts whatsoever that Shawn will be charged in connection with Haileys disappearance and I have strong suspicions Billie will be also. I also think Shawn will drop Billie in it pretty quickly

 

[For The Kids]

I didn't.....you got details?????????????

Yeah....talking about her "haters". Why put a message out about Hailey if she can talk about them instead.

But like when a PI finally got on the case and instead of giving him a list of people to look at who could have hurt Hailey instead she gave him a list of people from facebook who called her out on her lies and told him to go and find dirt on them. Shows what her priorities were.

 

[kirby]

I didn't.....you got details?????????????

She appeared on a radio blog program dedicated to advocates for missing children. She explained that hailey went missing while she was at work. She informed the host that there were no new leads, but there was someone they were suspicious of. She told us she loved to advocate and help other families with missing children. The host told Billie that she wanted to discuss how Billie dealt with people who made negative comments about her. communications were lost. thank God. I really didn't want to throw my new iPad across the room

 

[kirby]

Because she knew he had nothing to do with HD's dissappearance.

She would have believed that they were looking for him for an unrelated matter (such as drugs or something like that, perhaps),

And, as it turned out, they were looking for him on an unrelated matter.

Not only that, the unrelated matter was based on the flimsiest evidence possible.

Do you have a source for the unrelated matter? I don't remember seeing that.

 

[Knox]

She appeared on a radio blog program dedicated to advocates for missing children. She explained that hailey went missing while she was at work. She informed the host that there were no new leads, but there was someone they were suspicious of. She told us she loved to advocate and help other families with missing children. The host told Billie that she wanted to discuss how Billie dealt with people who made negative comments about her. communications were lost. thank God. I really didn't want to throw my new iPad across the room

Really????

 

[Knox]

Do you have a source for the unrelated matter? I don't remember seeing that.

IIRC, they were looking for him because they had a warrant to collect something from him?

ETA
Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs said Billie Dunn consented to having her home searched after telling officers Adkins was not there. When investigators searched the house, they found Adkins and executed the search warrant for him, but Toombs would not elaborate on what evidence was sought or collected.
http://www.reporternews.com/news/20...-colorado-city-teen-hailey-dunn-arra/?print=1

Do tell Tugela, what was the flimsy evidence they sought the warrant for?

 

[Tugela]

Do you have a source for the unrelated matter? I don't remember seeing that.

The unrelated matter was the "*advertiser censored*" investigation. It had nothing to do with the HD case.

 

[For The Kids]

The unrelated matter was the "*advertiser censored*" investigation. It had nothing to do with the HD case.

To be honest you cant know that its not connected although I don't personally think that it is.

 

[Tugela]

IIRC, they were looking for him because they had a warrant to collect something from him?
Do tell Tugela, what was the flimsy evidence they sought the warrant for?

They were looking for evidence of possession of child *advertiser censored* on the basis that someone who lived fifty miles away from the "suspect" at some time in the past had dubious material on their computer.

That is the most tenous link imaginable.

Of course they knew that it was highly likely that SA had nothing to do with the *advertiser censored* on the mothers computer, they were using it as a pretext to go snooping around his electronic data because they would not have had probable cause to otherwise.

Consider this: if SA is their "POI", and if (in the opinion of some here, apparently) they had so much evidence and such a strong case, why did they not have probable cause to execute search warrants at locations such as the mothers and grandmothers houses specifically to follow up in the HD case? Or even do a proper investigation of BD's house.

The only things they executed search warrants for on the HD case was a search of the car SA used, for BD's phone and for the electronic storage items voluntarily turned over by BD. Presumably there was a search warrant executed on the mother's computer, but as part of the *advertiser censored* investigation. Beyond that there apparently is nothing.

You would think, if they had all this evidence such that they were so certain that SA did it, they would at least have had enough probable cause to execute additional warrants to follow up. So why didn't they?

 

[tiredblondy]

They may not be able to prove he was the one responsible for the *advertiser censored* on that computer...but I have no doubt in my mind,he was the one responsible for it. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to have it!

 

[Tugela]

To be honest you cant know that its not connected although I don't personally think that it is.

I can know because they laid out their evidence, such as it is, in the affidavit for those warrants. There was nothing at all to indicate that it had anything to do with HD, and it involved material discovered incidental to their HD investigation.

It is too bad the media link to the affidavits no longer works. It would be interesting to work out who exactly was instigating those searches, since the jurisdiction for the *advertiser censored* case lay in Howard county, not Mitchell.

The only person to make any public statements regarding the *advertiser censored* case AFAIK is Toombs (and about a year later, Alexander commented on it), but it is not in his jurisdiction, so why is he doing that?

 

[Tugela]

They may not be able to prove he was the one responsible for the *advertiser censored* on that computer...but I have no doubt in my mind,he was the one responsible for it. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to have it!

I have an opinion too. Based on my understanding of who actually lived at the mothers house, and who probably would have used the computer 95%+ of the time, I think it is pretty clear who the *advertiser censored* collection belonged to.

 

[Tugela]

Here we get some insight into Toombs thought process.

He says (after the search of the grandmothers house, which was specifically for suspected CP according to the affidavit):

Investigators also searched Adkins' grandmother's residence in Dunn Thursday. Toombs says officials are analyzing devices seized from the home.

"Once we come up with what was on that stuff, then there could be either future search warrants or possibly arrests, either in the missing person case on Hailey Dunn or on the child *advertiser censored* case," he said.

Two points:

A) Allthough the warrant was specifically for *advertiser censored* and was based from a case in another county, the first thing he mentions is getting evidence for the HD case (in other words, he is fishing).

B) He anticipates the possibility of future search warrants stemming from the one just carried out. Since none have happened, it is reasonable to conclude that nothing of value in either case was found in that search.

 

[For The Kids]

Here we get some insight into Toombs thought process.

He says (after the search of the grandmothers house, which was specifically for suspected CP according to the affidavit):



Two points:

A) Allthough the warrant was specifically for *advertiser censored* and was based from a case in another county, the first thing he mentions is getting evidence for the HD case (in other words, he is fishing).

B) He anticipates the possibility of future search warrants stemming from the one just carried out. Since none have happened, it is reasonable to conclude that nothing of value in either case was found in that search.

Or he could simply be worried that if someone DID like child *advertiser censored* so much that that could in some way be connected to Hailey being missing.

 

[Tugela]

There is nothing to indicate that SA liked CP at all. The only *advertiser censored* that can be linked to him at all are some images on (A) a memory stick, (B) his phone, and (C) some emails sent to him (most likely spam). Nothing else.

The guy doesn't even have a computer.

Really?

That is it?

In spite of such a paltry collection, of all those things there was only one "maybe" image, that had been sent to him by email. And that is probably spam.

Is that what passes as "convincing evidence" in Texas?

Btw, apparently Toombs changed his mind about this sea of CP associated with SA. He is quoted here as follows:

Toombs says child *advertiser censored* was not discovered in the home of Hailey's mother Billie Dunn.

Plus, their search has yet to yield anything to the contrary.

 

[For The Kids]

There is nothing to indicate that SA liked CP at all. The only *advertiser censored* that can be linked to him at all are some images on (A) a memory stick, (B) his phone, and (C) some emails sent to him (most likely spam). Nothing else.

The guy doesn't even have a computer.

Really?

That is it?

In spite of such a paltry collection, of all those things there was only one "maybe" image, that had been sent to him by email. And that is probably spam.

Is that what passes as "convincing evidence" in Texas?

Btw, apparently Toombs changed his mind about this sea of CP associated with SA. He is quoted here as follows:



Plus, their search has yet to yield anything to the contrary.

I personally don't believe there was any child *advertiser censored*. However you talk about his moms computer. It has been said many times that numerous people went on that computer. That is true however many people password there log in accounts on pc and IF that was done then yes it would be pretty simple to see who downloaded any on that computer if there was indeed any on there so yes they have ways of determining if it was Shawn who did that or not. Personally I am interested to know all of what was taken from his grandmas.

 

[Knox]

They were looking for evidence of possession of child *advertiser censored* on the basis that someone who lived fifty miles away from the "suspect" at some time in the past had dubious material on their computer.

That is the most tenous link imaginable.

Of course they knew that it was highly likely that SA had nothing to do with the *advertiser censored* on the mothers computer, they were using it as a pretext to go snooping around his electronic data because they would not have had probable cause to otherwise.

Consider this: if SA is their "POI", and if (in the opinion of some here, apparently) they had so much evidence and such a strong case, why did they not have probable cause to execute search warrants at locations such as the mothers and grandmothers houses specifically to follow up in the HD case? Or even do a proper investigation of BD's house.

The only things they executed search warrants for on the HD case was a search of the car SA used, for BD's phone and for the electronic storage items voluntarily turned over by BD. Presumably there was a search warrant executed on the mother's computer, but as part of the *advertiser censored* investigation. Beyond that there apparently is nothing.

You would think, if they had all this evidence such that they were so certain that SA did it, they would at least have had enough probable cause to execute additional warrants to follow up. So why didn't they?

I'm asking you how you know, what you say you know? To my knowledge, the search warrant for Adkins 'person/body' was never unsealed by Howard County. There were two separate warrants, filed in different district courts.

There was speculation it was for a DNA swab, or something to do with his person (which could have been thumb drives, which he was said to have on his key ring).

We can guess all day long, but until the warrant is unsealed, we don't know what they wanted to search him for, or what they obtained from him.

Authorities were carrying out two search warrants, the other from Scurry County where Texas Rangers searched the home of Shawn Adkins' grandmother in the community of Dunn, about 14 miles north of Colorado City.

Adkins, the live-in boyfriend of Billie Dunn at the time of Hailey Dunn's disappearance, is the only named suspect in the case.

The other search warrant was for Shawn Adkins himself, which means that authorities were likely seeking a sample of Adkins' DNA and/or fingerprints.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/KTXS-EXCLU...ty/-/14769632/14680888/-/10r6phw/-/index.html

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

There is nothing to indicate that SA liked CP at all. The only *advertiser censored* that can be linked to him at all are some images on (A) a memory stick, (B) his phone, and (C) some emails sent to him (most likely spam). Nothing else.

The guy doesn't even have a computer.

Really?

That is it?

In spite of such a paltry collection, of all those things there was only one "maybe" image, that had been sent to him by email. And that is probably spam.

Is that what passes as "convincing evidence" in Texas?

Btw, apparently Toombs changed his mind about this sea of CP associated with SA. He is quoted here as follows:



Plus, their search has yet to yield anything to the contrary.

BBM. I find it ODD that SA and BD claim to not have a computer but have jump drives and flash sticks/drives. BD had stated that Hailey had some flash drives for school, well why would Hailey have flash drives for school if they didn't have a computer in that house?

I do not know what LE has or does not have as far as evidence is concerned. I don't know that LE is going to announce publicly what evidence that they may or may not have against their POI so therefore I do not know if it is contrary or not.

With what I do know from statements made by BD and SA to the media, I am convinced.