well, he was a lot smarter than a lot of the LE, I believe. He actually escaped from them a few times, and the DA really did not want to take him to trial and offered him a pretty sweet deal. And yes, he got a lot of positive attention too. He likley would not have even gotten caught if he weren't such a lousy, careless driver. Traffic violations were really his down fall. Looks like JM fits that mold too, in terms of driving and DMV violations. He has a list as long as his arm, and the first thing, the only thing LE could charge him with was reckless driving. Unbelievable.
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well, he was a lot smarter than a lot of the LE, I believe. He actually escaped from them a few times, and the DA really did not want to take him to trial and offered him a pretty sweet deal. And yes, he got a lot of positive attention too. He likley would not have even gotten caught if he weren't such a lousy, careless driver. Traffic violations were really his down fall. Looks like JM fits that mold too, in terms of driving and DMV violations. He has a list as long as his arm, and the first thing, the only thing LE could charge him with was reckless driving. Unbelievable.
It was a different situation with MH. She was picked up in a higly public area with so much happening, concert letting out with traffic and people everywhere. If JM was indeed the cab driver or whatever who picked her up, he'd want to get away from that crowd. No idea where MH would have asked to have been driven either. Anyone know where she was supposed to meet up with friends? I read that she had texted or said she'd meet them somewhere after the concert.
Just looked it up. She told her friends she'd "meet them at home" and not to worry about her. She was seen trying to hitch a ride. where "home" was that night, don't know since she went to school at Virginia Tech. Was her family living in Charlottesville? Was she staying with some UVA students? She certainly was perfect prey for JM who just loved to offer girls free rides, from what we've been hearing, and he was a cabbie those days in that area. MH would have lit into that vehicle.
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I visited the farm years ago as a guest of the owners, so perhaps I can answer some of your questions.
The farm is quite large, with many areas that are difficult or nearly impossible to access. I believe that MH was found in one of these. I recall a press report in which the owner stated that LE should look into the people who have worked on his property, since the site would not likely be known to anyone not familiar with it.
I don't know about kids, but I believe the owner has had several employees over the years. Now that there's a "forensic link" between JLM and MH, I presume that LE is looking into whether JLM worked there or knew someone who worked there. It' not very far from the area where JLM grew up and went to grade school.
It's a very large farm. The cattle graze the fields when possible, I believe.
There is also a cite that he missed the 9/13 meeting though he did make the game the night before. But also, it's been said that it was not unususal for him to miss the post game meeting.
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Yep, Jamicat, reckless driving/running a red light/driving a stolen VW bug...and possession of the rape/kill kit in the trunk..
Serial killer <Emulator>Gary Hilton(GA) who once drove a FL Limousine is now on FL's death row had been ticketed & warned 80 times in GA the 10 years before his arrest. Many of the stops were in restricted areas of state/national forests and private property/hunting clubs. His van/s which contained victim's personal items/trophies, were never searched. A FL DMV employee was fired for searching and releasing info of his FL DMV report...
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The main suspect in Cheryl Dunlap's murder case is behind bars but his driving record in Florida has one man concerned.
Sal Secondo worked at the Florida department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles. On a whim he entered accused killer Gary Hilton's name and birthday into their database.
And he says what he found compelled him to speak out. Secondo says, "I felt a moral obligation, I really felt a sense of moral obligation."
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This puzzles me, too, since MH was found 10 miles south of town, near an area where JLM grew up and fished in his youth. I recall reading a press report in which LE stated that most serial killers dispose of their victims within 8 miles of the point of abduction, so they're going with that for the saturation search. I hope this approach doesn't rule out additional searching in areas beyond the 8 mile radius.
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You all have most likely covered this but, recall that Matthew attended Liberty University from 2000-2002, where he played football. So the MH field is between the commute from Liberty to Charlottesville. He would have had ample cause to travel home in those 2 years... lots of time to get to know the area along the 29 corridor.
The number of articles, segments can be measured. Anyone know the number vs Hannah's coverage even up to now? Also we can count how many posts on websleuths, though there is intermingling.
Look at the attention other miising persons get. Lauren Spiere got quite the media attention. A lot parent driven. Count her threads, posts here.
As for Alexis Murphy, if you google her, not nearly the attention, not even close and this is a case that's gone to trial and done. Couldn't find much on it at all, not even a wiki entry. Sad. AA girl, not the media push. White, college students, a whole other story.
Look at the attention other miising persons get. Lauren Spiere got quite the media attention. A lot parent driven. Count her threads, posts here.
As for Alexis Murphy, if you google her, not nearly the attention, not even close and this is a case that's gone to trial and done. Couldn't find much on it at all, not even a wiki entry. Sad. AA girl, not the media push. White, college students, a whole other story.
LE has quite the challenge even searcfhing within that 200 sq miles. I doubt they'll cover a lot of that.
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Thanks for your answers!
Somhe could assume that no one might go there for years.
My hubby helped on farms even as a boy of around 8 or 10 so I can see the perp,working there or having a friend that did. I can see him sneaking on the property as a kid.
If he wore a headlamp, would he be noticed?
People are awake early on farms.
I do think HG is somewhere that he has scoped out
It's been widely reported that Matthew grew up very close to the farm - and he attended school close to it as well. The farm is 700+ acres, so it's very likely that Matthew played/walked on that farm as a kid without ever being noticed. The area where Morgan's body was found is not an area that you would know about just driving by - the perp had to have intimate knowledge of the terrain as it was not accessible by car.
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Even local news was a bit low key when Alexis Murphy went missing so I definitely see your point. That's why I said perhaps because this current case is tied to a university. A larger university has the means and power to put a spark under local law enforcement. JMO. Samantha Clarke is rarely discussed at all either.
I think both race and socio economics play into this. Many of the women missing in this area are white and there isn't a lot of news coverage or even information on them.
I think both race and socio economics play into this. Many of the women missing in this area are white and there isn't a lot of news coverage or even information on them.
This site has some great aerial images of the farm and the difficulty getting to the location of where Morgan's remains were found. http://persiflage.proboards.com/thread/27?page=2
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This is an incredible piece of work. Thank you.
I also think what happened to MH and it subsequently being linked to another rape caused them to handle hannahs case the way they did. I'm pretty sure right away they at least knew the possibility that Hannah was taken and harmed by a serial predator was "in play" if you will. This caused them to take things extremely serious from day one, from moment one. Based on my memory this was not so much the case with MH for along time there was a lot of speculation that MH just ran off. I think right from the beginning with HG they didn't waste much time on the "voluntarily missing" angle, or use the voluntary missing angle to delay putting a lot of effort into searching at first.
I also totally agree about hannah being on camera as opposed to MH who kind of vanished and was in many ways not acting in a totally logical way the night she disappeared.
Cell phone tower pings, gas station video capture of the murderers with items used in the crime, gas station receipts, store videos and receipts, fingerprint and DNA of the murderers on objects used to commit the murder, DNA and fingerprints of the victim in the impounded car, McDonald's purchases and video, and witness testimony convicted the murders to life in prison in the case my relative was involved in (as a high profile witness). ALL of this information was obtained by LE and the DA during the investigation, but NONE of this information was released to the public until trial. While the media and public focused on my relative as "the witness", the background of the suspects (once caught) and the victim, the location of the murder, and the 911 calls that my relative made upon finding the victim, a non-publicized investigation was occurring. The information that was NOT MADE PUBLIC is what provided the answers and left the Defense basically "defenseless". Based on personal experience, I am absolutely convinced that there is substantial evidence (that has not been made public) linking JM to the charges he faces, including LE "knowing" that Hannah was in his car and taken against her will with the intent to commit bodily harm!
These murderers got their "friend" in a car under false pretenses, drove her 3 counties away to a location that one of the murderers had a connection to, beat the victim, hung her from a tree in the middle of a deserted field, doused her with gasoline, set her on fire, and left her there to die. They had cellphone communications with friends throughout the night and were in their homes the next morning carrying on as usual, which presented the murderers with so-called public"alibis" and character witnesses describing one of them as "a teddy bear" and "sitting at home with his family", which sounds so familiar in this case. Had she not made her way to the road and thrust her burning body onto the hood of my relative's truck and informed him of who tortured her before she died (which wasn't revealed until trial) the case would not have been solved and she either would not have been found or identified due to the nature of her burns. Although she informed my relative of the people that harmed her, that alone was not what locked the murderers up. It was all the other investigative work and evidence (not made public) that proved what happened, which is what I believe will happen in Hannah's case!
These murderers got their "friend" in a car under false pretenses, drove her 3 counties away to a location that one of the murderers had a connection to, beat the victim, hung her from a tree in the middle of a deserted field, doused her with gasoline, set her on fire, and left her there to die. They had cellphone communications with friends throughout the night and were in their homes the next morning carrying on as usual, which presented the murderers with so-called public"alibis" and character witnesses describing one of them as "a teddy bear" and "sitting at home with his family", which sounds so familiar in this case. Had she not made her way to the road and thrust her burning body onto the hood of my relative's truck and informed him of who tortured her before she died (which wasn't revealed until trial) the case would not have been solved and she either would not have been found or identified due to the nature of her burns. Although she informed my relative of the people that harmed her, that alone was not what locked the murderers up. It was all the other investigative work and evidence (not made public) that proved what happened, which is what I believe will happen in Hannah's case!
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Maps are amazing. Thanks.
Jamicat, I honor and respect your opinion. Following missing/murdered person's cases for almost a decade now, and investigating the ensuing investigations and investigators. I have some conclusions as to why some missing persons get high profile msm coverage, while others do not. While race may play a minor role in the amount of awareness created, there are many factors to be considered;
* Whether a professional/established/respectable SAR and advocacy organization is sought timely by family members; TES, CUE, etc.
* The Lead LEA's media management strategy and tactics. --> “It's becoming one of the most-used resources in our law-enforcement division.” The increase in use of interactive social media in the last 5 years has changed how people live their lives. Individuals use smart phones to post photos, identify their location, and advise what they are doing. If law enforcement agencies fully engage the public by using social media, the department and the community benefit by increasing collaboration and enhancing investigative capabilities. With well-planned implementation, the use of social media can impact community issues, and police departments and citizens can work together to solve crimes.
Many law enforcement agencies have expanded their involvement in social media, using platforms, such as Facebook, Twitter, and Nixle, to deliver information to their communities. One benefit is that departments can send data directly to the public. Law enforcement organizations can use these sites to inform people of upcoming activities and current investigations where they need public assistance.--> http://leb.fbi.gov/2013/september/interactive-social-media-the-value-for-law-enforcement
* Whether the Lead LEA gives timely pressers and effectively utilizes Social Media; facebook, twitter, etc. MSM & the 24 hour news cycle feeds off of trending social media
* The known or suspected info of the disappearance; slight acquaintance/stranger sexual predator/serial killer involvement(domestic cases usually get minimal msm coverage)
* Location and other circumstances of disappearance(College towns/low crime area/advocacy group involvement/financial, number & expertise of volunteers, and other resources.
In most cases children get the most msm coverage due to their innocence and vulnerability, teens due to the epidemic of runaways get very little media coverage, then adult females, and last but not least adult males, irregardless of their race. College coeds usually get maximum support due to alumni involvement/social media/volunteers.
Many parents and family members of prior abduction/murder victims have been the driving force for laws and awareness campaigns, and has ensured that the victims have been given a voice. John Walsh, Mark Klaas, TES/Tim Miller, CUE/Monica Caison, Gil & Dan Harrington, Doug and Mary Lyall, are just a few of the many warriors of the Silent Epidemic.
Awareness is the key in missing/murdered person's cases, imo..."Every missing/murdered person is someone's child".
Doug and Mary Lyall; the catalysts for the federal College Coed Suzanne's Law, creators of the Inmate Missing Person Cold Case Poker Cards,
Center for Hope Missing Persons Memorial, etc., etc.. Longtime members of CUECommunity United Effort/NC)and an amazing couple of wise and kindred spirits who have never given up Hope, imo...
Doug and Mary Lyall create not for profit to remember the missing, especially Suzanne Lyall and create a monument to missing persons
Memorial-BALLSTON SPA — Doug and Mary Lyall of Ballston Spa have founded a new nonprofit organization that encourages people to remember the missing. Their 19-year-old daughter, Suzanne Lyall, a student at SUNY Albany, disappeared without a trace on March 2, 1998. Despite no resolution to the situation, the couple has remained undeterred .”We have steadfastly held on to the hope that someday she will be returned to us,” Mary Lyall said. ”We’ll always hope our daughter and other missing children will come back home .
”For years, the Lyalls have devoted themselves to finding ways to connect people whose lives have been changed by the disappearance of a loved one. They announced the establishment of the Center for HOPE (Healing Our Painful Emotions), to promote and provide support, education and healing for survivors. Funds have been generated to fund the nonprofit center, which is endorsed by state senate, the state assembly minority and the governor’s office.The Lyalls also have set up a National Memorial for Missing Persons, to be placed in the Capital District. The unusual name of the project was carefully chosen. ”The word ‘memorial,’ in memory of, sounded too final,” Mary Lyall said. ”We remember them every day, and every day we wait for the missing to return. The memorial is constructed of glass blocks, each etched with the name of a missing person, illuminated by lights to convey a spirit of hope.
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To me, the amazing photos and maps of the MH site drive home the importance of involving local fishers in the search for HG... I believe the creek is large enough to afford at least some fishing, and local fishers must have known it well... it was perfect for the killer's needs... parking was available in a secluded area, out of sight of main roads... if the parking area was empty he could likely count on not encountering any early morning fishers...
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