http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-your-cell-phone-cant-tell-the-police
Info about cell phone pings
Thank you. Very informative.
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http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-your-cell-phone-cant-tell-the-police
Info about cell phone pings
http://persiflage.proboards.com/thread/27
If you haven't seen it, the site above is a fabulous piece of work with maps and aerials of where MH was found and various options of routes to have gotten her there. Great note was made of MH having been placed "with intent" and him having had to overcome great obstacles including a creek and barbed wire fences and quite a trek through the woods.
The description Gilamon gives above of JM's options if Hannah is to be found in this area aren't much different.
[Completely as an aside, I was surprised she wasn't any closer to dense woods than she was (there is some potential thought that she was pushed out of a treeline because of heavy melting snow, rather than having been placed in the field where she was found - but either way, she wasn't in dense woods).]
Who committed suicide first? Who was second?
With regards to the comment on the property that LE was repoted to be searching today by Gilamon: There are some farms out on that part of 29S that are really large- and I'm sure parts of the terrain out there are very wooded with lots of undergrowth. We're only on 2 acres about 5 miles from UVa and our property has a creek/stream that runs through it with lots of trees and vines as well as shrubs between us and our neighbors. We searched our property but are not professionals so I'm sure could miss something.
Hey human, I was looking for the cell phone warrants in Jessica's case, but its really hard for me sometimes considering my personal connection to the case...I keep searching and coming across things I don't want to see )[/QUOT
Margarita25, I joined WS because of little Jessica and only read the bones of her case...it was too painful to get too invested. I am sorry for what you must have gone through having a personal connection. I am so very thankful for your input in many of the cases I have followed. That you continue to give your all to each case screams volumes about your character; you could easily give up any time you come across things like this that are heart wrenching for you, but you do not. Thank you for being such a strong presence on WS!!
http://persiflage.proboards.com/thread/27
If you haven't seen it, the site above is a fabulous piece of work with maps and aerials of where MH was found and various options of routes to have gotten her there. Great note was made of MH having been placed "with intent" and him having had to overcome great obstacles including a creek and barbed wire fences and quite a trek through the woods.
The description Gilamon gives above of JM's options if Hannah is to be found in this area aren't much different.
[Completely as an aside, I was surprised she wasn't any closer to dense woods than she was (there is some potential thought that she was pushed out of a treeline because of heavy melting snow, rather than having been placed in the field where she was found - but either way, she wasn't in dense woods).]
A ping is when is when a signal is sent to a phone to basically "ask" it where it is. Most phones nowadays have GPS, so that's all that needs to be done to track a cell phone's location, and that process happens automatically at pretty frequent intervals.
In the 'old days' you used to have to figure out where a cell phone was by knowing of a couple different towers that the phone connected with and triangulating based on the times.
There's also something called a "tower dump" which does essentially the reverse -- you are answering the question, "what phones were near this particular cell phone tower?" and look through the tower's records to see if any interesting suspects pop up.
http://pursuitmag.com/locating-mobile-phones-through-pinging-and-triangulation/
ETA: most phones require that the phone not only be off, but also not have a functioning battery for GPS to be disabled. So if JM just turned off his phone, the chances are good that it was still responding to requests for location.
This question is in relation to cell phone pings and GPS, however off topic due to the fact I am asking for personal reason. I have a daughter who is in college in another state and we are looking at what app is best to track her phone in case we need to. We have AT&T and she will soon have a Samsung Galaxy. I appreciate any information any of you can give me. Please PM me with your advice as I understand this topic could disrupt this forum. I truly do not want to derail this forum but am confident about posting this here because I do believe you guys are the best of the best when it comes to protecting our precious assets!!
Thanks, whiskers! This section shown is about an hour and a half south of C'ville. The terrain is similar, but on Hwy 29, south of C'ville, it's not as open looking as the footage you posted makes it appear. Here's a similar video, but driving on Hwy 29S, about 12 miles south of C'ville, close to the areas we've been discussing tonight.For those not familiar with the area. This is a good view from US 29 North. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPdBP1heswY
Obviously a major road, but you can see the terrain from the side. One farm extends to another. Can catch glimpses of that here in small bits.
And they now have cell phone pings to go on. I can't imagine a better "lead"!!!Anyway, it looks like LE is basically searching everywhere they possibly think Hannah might be. Not only on Gilamon's farm area, but other areas as well, as evident in various recent post by local posters (Georgetown Rd, etc...)
I really have to commend them...\working so hard on a Sunday at that...
Very often LE searches places to "rule out" places, and not necessarily because they think there is a strong indication that something could materialize.
But from Gilamon's post, it sure is hard not to be hopeful considering LE said they feel optimistic about it being a strong lead.
We don't know. But I would guess he does.Do we know if Jm had GPS on his phone? If not the ping is only narrowed to a 20 sq mi area.
Hey human, I was looking for the cell phone warrants in Jessica's case, but its really hard for me sometimes considering my personal connection to the case...I keep searching and coming across things I don't want to see )
Margarita25, I joined WS because of little Jessica and only read the bones of her case...it was too painful to get too invested. I am sorry for what you must have gone through having a personal connection. I am so very thankful for your input in many of the cases I have followed. That you continue to give your all to each case screams volumes about your character; you could easily give up any time you come across things like this that are heart wrenching for you, but you do not. Thank you for being such a strong presence on WS!!
Do we know if Jm had GPS on his phone? If not the ping is only narrowed to a 20 sq mi area.
For those not familiar with the area. This is a good view from US 29 North. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPdBP1heswY
Obviously a major road, but you can see the terrain from the side. One farm extends to another. Can catch glimpses of that here in small bits.
wonder why LE didn't take this 'ping' coordinate info , slap it on google map, cross reference with the Ablemarle property records/GIS Web, to find the owner/boundaries, instead of plunging around through what sounds like a lot of undergrowth in hopes of finding a destination?
I don't know the answer to this, but speaking of derailing....I was THIS close to posting here around 130 AM for advice when a gunshot went off in the field behind my house. Do you call 911 when that happens? I don't know! There are a ton of wild horses back there and I hope no one shot one of them, or anyone, for that matter.
I cannot get an article to paste on here!
This summer, there was a court ruling that LE must get warrants. Sure takes a long time!!