musicaljoke
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Will there be charges laid for the motorcycle theft? I wonder if someone who was cleared by police for the murder might have been involved in this theft.
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I agree... it may not be relevant (just some young guys screwing around), or it might be (as Matou said, could be indicative of a general attitude/propensity to take things).
Also just to clarify, this wasn't just a photo-op. There are photos of the cart in the back of DM's truck both while driving on the street and on his driveway at home. Of course we don't know if DM returned the cart to the store at a later time... somehow I don't think the neighbours would appreciate seeing it laying on the grass somewhere.
DM's ambition was boxed in. That's the message.
He had ambition "at" his hands and then later it was boxed in. Possibly.
Here, grocery carts tend to wander away from the grocery stores even though No Frills has the 25 cent to use and get your quarter back when return. I can see something like a grocery cart full of groceries in a truck as a stunt, or a dare, or younger folk fooling around. While the cart technically is stolen as in removed from the rightful owner being the grocery store, there is no proof the groceries in the bags are stolen. Is there a link to these photos?
I don't think anyone has suggested the groceries themselves were stolen? As matou has stated, the groceries were bagged so almost certainly they went through the check-out process and paid for them. To see the photos, you need to look at DM's facebook friends' accounts.
And to reiterate what I said earlier, I agree it could just be the guys messing around for a laugh. But I can't say for sure it isn't indicative of DM's general attitude (does or takes things simply for kicks/thrills).
Ambition tattoo. I think his grandfather and his father kept telling him over the years, to have ambition. Son, you can't just sit around playing video games and drinking, you need to find some ambition. I think he got the ambition tattoo to mock his father. " look dad, I do have ambition... it is right fuc***ing here.
His lawyer has questioned why the harley was released to the owner, rather than kept as evidence in the case - is this usual?
Also, I wondered if it would now be the property of the insurance company - assuming that it was insured - rather than be returned to the owner, who surely would not be able to keep the insurance money as well as the bike.
There was some talk about the insurance on another thread. There was a problem with insurance and it was not covered. Therefore, he would have gotten his bike back....or what pieces were left of it.
As for evidence, would they just need pics of it?
His lawyer has questioned why the harley was released to the owner, rather than kept as evidence in the case - is this usual?
I wondered that too. I always thought the evidence wasn't returned until after the trial (if there will be one for the theft).
I think this is incorrectly conflating different criminals and their motives. Bernardo and Russell Williams did have their motives (sexual, power, etc.), but what is the motive for a wealthy individual to get involved in a risky chop shop venture? Sure, it could be greed, but it seems the risks outweigh the rewards, especially for someone already living the good life.
My theory is that perhaps DM did not have too many friends until he met this group of suburban gangsters (lol), and they were attracted to him as he offered them toys and trips, etc, but perhaps he felt he had to earn their friendship, beyond simply buying it for them, so he begins to act in a way he believes will appeal to them. He suggests a plan to steal a Harley, then some cars, etc. Perhaps this works, and he actually earns some respect from them and he therefore continues to steal vehicles and maybe moves some drugs, etc. Perhaps someone suggests turning up the gangsta dial a notch and taking a test drive and kicking the driver out and just driving away, and DM agrees, but something goes terribly wrong, and here we are.
Just a thought...
On the other hand maybe he's got a bloodlust and killed all the people that have died around him because he is a total sociopath...there is always that potential, I suppose.
I find there are two distinct groups of theories here: (1) those which see in the mounting evidence of illegal, nefarious activities in which it is not disputed DM was involved, as something consistent with, and corroborating, the charge of first degree murder of TB against him, and (2) those which hold, essentially without any evidence, simply on the suggestion of his lawyer, that there is 'a story behind [the story]' which will come out at the trial which has some 'framing aspects' in it that will exculpate DM.
Sean123 in the post above, eg. thinks there is a realistic scenario in which the planning of a theft of a $25,000 truck has his owner expulsed from the vehicle unharmed. I suppose it would be to assure that he can identify the thieves to the police. Just what every criminal would be careful to plan for. But then 'something goes terribly wrong'. Likely, TB refused to promise to talk to the cops and a gun accidentally discharged
No, the problem with this idea is that DM had an incinerator hauled in from Georgia to his farm thlast summer to dispose of dead bodies and it would not be animal bodies because he had no farm animals. So obviously he would be well prepared for things 'going terribly wrong'. So the incinerator, more or less puts to rest any wishful theory of an accident and non-lethal nature of DM's criminal dabbling. Incidentally, it does matter whether TB's body was burned in the contraption. The fact that the body was burned on DM's property is a sufficient explanation for its presence on the grounds.
Best,
J.
I wondered that too. I always thought the evidence wasn't returned until after the trial (if there will be one for the theft).
I haven't seen a picture yet where the words are legible. I have not seen a picture (other than the wanted poster) that shows the words "framed". Do they both say "ambition"? Do we know this for sure?
This is highly unusual and hard to explain. The bike parts and the trailer should have been held as evidence in new charges of theft against Millard. This would take care of the motive in the Bosma case.
Best,
J.
As of recently if they (LE) have been breaking into cars and stealing items. They have been releasing the items to the owners before they go to court. Days after they catch the guys