Has John Ramsey remarried?

[lovebites]

I feel exactly the same. I keep going back and forth in my mind with PR/JR/JAR as the killer(s). I do feel there were 2 people there at the time.

I agree, it could be any of the Ramsey's really.

 

[Ames]

the 'suspect' did look very 'generic' looking,didn't he?!

That is so funny that you said that, I thought the SAME EXACT thing. That is the main reason that I knew that she was lying. I told my husband, that there was nothing that stood out about the "suspect"...and to me, he didn't even look like a person. It was weird....and its also weird that you thought the same thing. Great minds think alike....

 

[JMO8778]

That is so funny that you said that, I thought the SAME EXACT thing. That is the main reason that I knew that she was lying. I told my husband, that there was nothing that stood out about the "suspect"...and to me, he didn't even look like a person. It was weird....and its also weird that you thought the same thing. Great minds think alike....

lol,that sketch of him....you could go downtown here any day of the week and find quite a few who look and dress like that.

 

[Toltec]

I don't think this rumour is true for the following reasons:-

1. It's barely 10 months since Patsy died - I think even John Ramsey would wait until the first anniversary of her death had passed.

2. Burke is in the middle of a university semester with exams due to start soon. Most caring parents would schedule important but flexible family events for the holidays (vacations).

I have always felt that he wouldn't wait long to find another woman after Patsy died because there have always been indications that he had an eye for the ladies:-

- the two year affair which caused his first divorce
- the blonde b*tch who worried Patsy during her first bout with cancer
- the "did he or didn't he?" dalliance with Kim Ballard
- the "gardening companion" who allegedly caused Patsy sufficient distress to cut short a subsequent cancer treatment and head home to "get her ducks in a row"
- another "female in shorts" who was mentioned in another "unnamed family friend" story published by the tabs

Ramsey also has motivation to marry rather than keep a mistress (marriage is more binding in all respects - loyalty, discretion etc). I think if he's going to tie the knot again, he would do it at the end of Burke's summer holidays. That way, Burke will be at home to take part in the festivities, but will only have to live under the same roof as the new stepmother for a short initial spell before heading back to Uni.

So in the "future" when John remarries...we would think it only a coincidence that his new wife is blonde and has dimples....

Tee Hee!

 

[Jayelles]

Jayelles,

Where did you read this:

the blonde b*tch who worried Patsy during her first bout with cancer
- the "did he or didn't he?" dalliance with Kim Ballard
- the "gardening companion" who allegedly caused Patsy sufficient distress to cut short a subsequent cancer treatment and head home to "get her ducks in a row"
- another "female in shorts" who was mentioned in another "unnamed family friend" story published by the tabs

Thanks, Solace

The blonde b*tch was mentioned I think in either PMPT or ST but Lou SMit did make a reference to this person in his interview with John Ramsey in 1998. John said this wasn't an expression he'd expect Patsy to use but suggested it was an expression Priscilla might use (surprise surprise). However, he was able to suggest who the blonde b*tch might have been (it's in the interview - you'd need to look it up).

The gardening companion story was a tabloid story which I actually might have a copy of. The photos showed Patsy being wheeled in a wheelchair out of the clinic where she was receiving cancer treatment and there was a female friend or relative who was concerned about Patsy checking out early because of her concerns over John's friendship with a female gardening companion. The female friend/relative claimed Patsy said she had to go home and get her "ducks in a row" - an expression I never heard of before.

The lady in shorts comment, if I remember correctly came from the same article as the ducks in a row tale. I don't remember the details of this - it was something about John eyeing up a woman or making her feel uncomfortable.

I did google the article because there was a lot of discussion about it at the time, but I didn't find anything. As I say, I *might* have the actual hard copy. I have a feeling someone sent it to me in which case, it will be in my cupboard.

 

[Jayelles]

Awesome Acandyrose!

Here's the Blonde b*tch part of the interviews.

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-neighbors-dana-berger.htm

Patsy was questioned about this on 23rd June, John on 24th June. John says they discussed it on the evening of 23rd:-

8 LOU SMIT: Just one other question
9 along those lines. In the report, there is some
10 kind of an indication, this is somebody talking
11 about a blond down the street that may
12 have interest in you.
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy mentioned
14 that last night, that somebody said she called
15 somebody a blond . And that even shocked
16 me. That doesn't ring a bell at all.

John then repeated Patsy's rather insignificant tale about Pricilla, the boxes and the blonde woman almost verbatim.

Yet Patsy DENIED that they had discussed the interviews on the evening of 23rd.

1 THOMAS HANEY: Just a couple of
2 more quick ones here. Prior to the bout with
3 cancer, have you had any psychiatric or
4 psychological treatment complications?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
6 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. What did you
7 do last night after you got out of here?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: I went to the and
9 (INAUDIBLE). And took a nap and then got up,
10 ate dinner, and talked with my friends and met
11 with this gentleman for a couple of hours. Went
12 to bed about 8:30 and read, that's it.
13 THOMAS HANEY: What was the
14 conversation with this guy? How about did you
15 and John discuss what happened yesterday?
16 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
17 THOMAS HANEY: You didn't --
18 PATSY RAMSEY: I said how was your
19 day, fine. How was your day, fine.
20 THOMAS HANEY: You didn't discuss,
21 they didn't ask this, they didn't ask that?
22 PATSY RAMSEY: I was very tired, we
23 both were. I was kind of tired -- I was more
24 tired than I thought I was. I think
25 (INAUDIBLE).

 

[Ames]

The blonde b*tch was mentioned I think in either PMPT or ST but Lou SMit did make a reference to this person in his interview with John Ramsey in 1998. John said this wasn't an expression he'd expect Patsy to use but suggested it was an expression Priscilla might use (surprise surprise). However, he was able to suggest who the blonde b*tch might have been (it's in the interview - you'd need to look it up).

The gardening companion story was a tabloid story which I actually might have a copy of. The photos showed Patsy being wheeled in a wheelchair out of the clinic where she was receiving cancer treatment and there was a female friend or relative who was concerned about Patsy checking out early because of her concerns over John's friendship with a female gardening companion. The female friend/relative claimed Patsy said she had to go home and get her "ducks in a row" - an expression I never heard of before.

The lady in shorts comment, if I remember correctly came from the same article as the ducks in a row tale. I don't remember the details of this - it was something about John eyeing up a woman or making her feel uncomfortable.

I did google the article because there was a lot of discussion about it at the time, but I didn't find anything. As I say, I *might* have the actual hard copy. I have a feeling someone sent it to me in which case, it will be in my cupboard.

When someone says that they are getting their "ducks in a row"...it means that they are getting their affairs (no pun intended) in order.

 

[Ames]

Awesome Acandyrose!

Here's the Blonde b*tch part of the interviews.

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-neighbors-dana-berger.htm

Patsy was questioned about this on 23rd June, John on 24th June. John says they discussed it on the evening of 23rd:-



John then repeated Patsy's rather insignificant tale about Pricilla, the boxes and the blonde woman almost verbatim.

Yet Patsy DENIED that they had discussed the interviews on the evening of 23rd.

WOW...thanks for posting these two contradicting interviews from the Ramseys. I KNEW that was bullcr@p about them not discussing their separate interviews with one another. Patsy says that she was too tired....YEAH RIGHT. (She may of used that line on John when it came to sex, but its not going to work with ME). LOL

 

[BBB167893]

I wouldn't be surprised if John "found" someone.

I get you.

It's funny you should say that because I just posted on another thread that I've often wondered why more people don't suspect John as being the more likely murderer if it was indeed one of the parents. Given that any evidence implicating either or both John and Patsy is roughly equal, why do people automatically jump to the conclusion that it must have been Patsy?

A very good question. I must examine it.

 

[rashomon]

It's funny you should say that because I just posted on another thread that I've often wondered why more people don't suspect John as being the more likely murderer if it was indeed one of the parents. Given that any evidence implicating either or both John and Patsy is roughly equal, why do people automatically jump to the conclusion that it must have been Patsy?

Jmpo, but if John had killed JonBenet, I don't think he would have let Patsy do so much of the staging, but would have done more himself. The circumstantial evidence (fibers in the garrote, clumsily done knots, ransom note) implicates Patsy as the main stager of the scene. From this I get the picture of John being more a bystander, probably in some state of shock, doing what Patsy told him. Imo Patsy ran this show from start to finish to cover up her own crime.

 

[UKGuy]

Jmpo, but if John had killed JonBenet, I don't think he would have let Patsy do so much of the staging, but would have done more himself. The circumstantial evidence (fibers in the garrote, clumsily done knots, ransom note) implicates Patsy as the main stager of the scene. From this I get the picture of John being more a bystander, probably in some state of shock, doing what Patsy told him. Imo Patsy ran this show from start to finish to cover up her own crime.

rashomon,

Unless of course John was more efficient at removing any forensic evidence.

Of course to assume Patsy killed JonBenet merely because she staged aspects of the wine-cellar crime-scene is fallacious, an example of skewed logic.

An alternative option is to speculate if it was Patsy who vetoed dumping JonBenet outdoors, and if John then said but we will be accused of her death, to which Patsy replied, we can make it look like an intruder did it, but failed to abduct her, to which John probably replied well you set it up? At this point the ransom note had already been authored to explain away JonBenet being removed from the house, and JonBenet had also at this point been wiped down?


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[rashomon]

rashomon,

Unless of course John was more efficient at removing any forensic evidence.

Of course to assume Patsy killed JonBenet merely because she staged aspects of the wine-cellar crime-scene is fallacious, an example of skewed logic.

An alternative option is to speculate if it was Patsy who vetoed dumping JonBenet outdoors, and if John then said but we will be accused of her death, to which Patsy replied, we can make it look like an intruder did it, but failed to abduct her, to which John probably replied well you set it up? At this point the ransom note had already been authored to explain away JonBenet being removed from the house, and JonBenet had also at this point been wiped down?

UKGuy,
Since it was (like you correctly stated) a mere assumption on my part, it doesn't have to meet the criteria of strict logic.
I also find it far more likely that John would cover for Patsy than vice versa. It is mere speculation on my part, nothing more. I believe if John had killed JonBenet, Patsy would have tried to kill John too, and not have covered up for him.
Good point about Patsy possibly being the one who vetoed against dumping JB outdoors.
Imo the sexaul assault scene was done for staging purposes, but the parent who tried to do it could not bring herself to inflict more than the small vaginal wound, which is why she abandoned this part of the staging and wiped JB down. jmpo

 

[Solace]

UKGuy,
Since it was (like you correctly stated) a mere assumption on my part, it doesn't have to meet the criteria of strict logic.
I also find it far more likely that John would cover for Patsy than vice versa. It is mere speculation on my part, nothing more. I believe if John had killed JonBenet, Patsy would have tried to kill John too, and not have covered up for him.
Good point about Patsy possibly being the one who vetoed against dumping JB outdoors.
Imo the sexaul assault scene was done for staging purposes, but the parent who tried to do it could not bring herself to inflict more than the small vaginal wound, which is why she abandoned this part of the staging and wiped JB down. jmpo

Not bad Rash. Rash, did you recently post a picture of the sink in JonBenet's bathroom. Can you repost it?

 

[UKGuy]

UKGuy,
Since it was (like you correctly stated) a mere assumption on my part, it doesn't have to meet the criteria of strict logic.
I also find it far more likely that John would cover for Patsy than vice versa. It is mere speculation on my part, nothing more. I believe if John had killed JonBenet, Patsy would have tried to kill John too, and not have covered up for him.
Good point about Patsy possibly being the one who vetoed against dumping JB outdoors.
Imo the sexaul assault scene was done for staging purposes, but the parent who tried to do it could not bring herself to inflict more than the small vaginal wound, which is why she abandoned this part of the staging and wiped JB down. jmpo

rashomon,

I believe if John had killed JonBenet, Patsy would have tried to kill John too, and not have covered up for him.

Well this is what you might expect the average mother to do, and along with the accident supplying a rationale as to why a mother may be complicit in her daughters death, but imo the Ramsey's were a dysfunctional family and the normal assumptions about family values may not apply, particularly if incest is involved?

Imo the sexaul assault scene was done for staging purposes, but the parent who tried to do it could not bring herself to inflict more than the small vaginal wound, which is why she abandoned this part of the staging and wiped JB down. jmpo

So are you saying your explanation for JonBenet's sexual assault is that it was really an abandonded attempt at staging?


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[JMO8778]

rashomon,

Unless of course John was more efficient at removing any forensic evidence.

Of course to assume Patsy killed JonBenet merely because she staged aspects of the wine-cellar crime-scene is fallacious, an example of skewed logic.

An alternative option is to speculate if it was Patsy who vetoed dumping JonBenet outdoors, and if John then said but we will be accused of her death, to which Patsy replied, we can make it look like an intruder did it, but failed to abduct her, to which John probably replied well you set it up? At this point the ransom note had already been authored to explain away JonBenet being removed from the house, and JonBenet had also at this point been wiped down?


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good thoughts.I think the RN does reflect the fact they previously,in haste,wanted to get her out of the house.I think the both did the RN,and JR may have done the staging,as his shirt fibers and night vision goggles,as well as his flashlight,indicate.I think it's possible PR fibers got into the scene bc JR told her to go find the rope and tape,and to break the paintbrush.

 

[JMO8778]

UKGuy,
Since it was (like you correctly stated) a mere assumption on my part, it doesn't have to meet the criteria of strict logic.
I also find it far more likely that John would cover for Patsy than vice versa. It is mere speculation on my part, nothing more. I believe if John had killed JonBenet, Patsy would have tried to kill John too, and not have covered up for him.
Good point about Patsy possibly being the one who vetoed against dumping JB outdoors.
Imo the sexaul assault scene was done for staging purposes, but the parent who tried to do it could not bring herself to inflict more than the small vaginal wound, which is why she abandoned this part of the staging and wiped JB down. jmpo

but why would she use JR's shirt????

 

[Toltec]

The blonde and the blonde dimpled woman...hmmm.

I also want to mention something John said in his interrogation. He talks about Christmas eve...when the family ate at Pasta Jays. He mentions seeing a couple, that the woman was attractive. He mentions her being attractive a second time!

That guy has roving eyes!

 

[UKGuy]

good thoughts.I think the RN does reflect the fact they previously,in haste,wanted to get her out of the house.I think the both did the RN,and JR may have done the staging,as his shirt fibers and night vision goggles,as well as his flashlight,indicate.I think it's possible PR fibers got into the scene bc JR told her to go find the rope and tape,and to break the paintbrush.

JMO8778,
Sure they were both involved together, although the staging was amended, the ransom note remained and the sexual assault was removed, then Patsy applied the garrote, she can do this since its simply staging in her mind.

How come an accidental death requires all this staging, when a call for medical assistance would not only aid JonBenet, but also themselves, since they could go private, and if JonBenet dies, well then that is just an accidental homicide, rather than a 1st degree murder?


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[angelwngs]

It's been months since I've read transcripts etc...

Have any details from the 'party' the night of the 25th been posted which would reveal any indication of conflict brewing that night between John and Patsy over John's 'roaming eyes' at the party?

I can so imagine Patsy fuming all night long, the anger growing in the car on the way home, delivering gifts...and heading home.

Once home... Patsy finally begins spewing at John in the privacy of their bedroom, as John, half listening changes for bed, pretty much not giving Patsy the listening ear that she feels she needs and in the heat of her anger at John....'whatever' (the bed wetting,etc.) triggered her rage and it suddenly became transferred to her 'beautiful, blonde' daughter ....

(I don't know... I still can not eliminate Burke's role in that drawing of 'his' being found showing more graphic genitalia than a boy his age at the time should have been drawing, and the cleaning lady walking in on JBR and Burke...etc. That plays a role in this... some way, somehow...Maybe in only comes into play in the cover-up to protect Burke from what Patsy previously excused as his 'playing doctor', when it was it in reality more detrimental to JBR, but IMO, Burke is somehow in this mess.)

 

[Solace]

JMO8778,
Sure they were both involved together, although the staging was amended, the ransom note remained and the sexual assault was removed, then Patsy applied the garrote, she can do this since its simply staging in her mind.

How come an accidental death requires all this staging, when a call for medical assistance would not only aid JonBenet, but also themselves, since they could go private, and if JonBenet dies, well then that is just an accidental homicide, rather than a 1st degree murder?


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An accidental death caused by the rage of a parent who threw her child with enough force to cause and 8 1/2 inch fissure in her skull and she was basically dead from that. I have made this clear ad nauseum. Also, Patsy knows that she basically has about 5 to 10 years to live if she is lucky. Her husband has just gone public with his company and it is now worth $1 billion and she is his wife. Do you really thinks she would invite the public humiliation. One would also take this into account in trying to solve this homocide.