Has John Ramsey remarried?

[Solace]

IrishMist,
An accidental death occurs if an invdividual dies due to unforeseen sequence of events, e.g. a plane crash, falling down stairs, some sudden illness etc.

A homicide occurs when an individual dies at the hands of a 2nd party, and clearly JonBenet's injuries tell you this was a homicide. "Reckless manslaughter", reckless means unintentionally causing someone's death UK, but the person was so "reckless" that they caused it.

Now the aspect of her death that exercises many people is was it intentional?

You speculate:

Well thats murder plain and simple, and it cannot be unwittingly since it need not have taken place, this demonstrates that JonBenet was intended to die.


Yes I agree it may be any of those things.


Denial of medical assistance to JonBenet turns her death from something involuntary to something intentional. Are you okay?

Thats before we start speculating about the motivation for killing her, which may be sexual in nature? In your mind UK.


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See above.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I do have to agree that denying JonBenet medical attention when it's very clear she needs the ER *right now* turns the crime from a perhaps involuntary action into an intentional death. I'm still not sure the Rs were aware she was still alive, though, and that would also change the scenario.

 

[Solace]

I do have to agree that denying JonBenet medical attention when it's very clear she needs the ER *right now* turns the crime from a perhaps involuntary action into an intentional death. I'm still not sure the Rs were aware she was still alive, though, and that would also change the scenario.

It absolutely does. HOWEVER, I am not sure they thought she was alive at that point. We just don't know. Steve Thomas believes it was rage that started this and then Patsy "went down the wrong path" by not seeking medical attention. JB most likely would have died anyway but that was not for Patsy to decide, as we all know.

But really the point that we are all discussing on this Board is what originally happened. We all know that there was an intentional staging at the end, whether they knew she was alive is another story. I don't know - can you tell if someone is breathing if they are comotose - which she most likely was from the blow to her head. Was her breathing so shallow that you could not tell. I don't know the answer to these questions. I would like to know what a baby, for all intents and purposes - all 40 pounds of her, I would like to know what her breathing would be like after she had sustained a blow like that.

 

[JMO8778]

No, because then they WOULD HAVE sought medical treatment. All three would have seen it.

In PMPT,it says LE thought the head injury was from the flashlight,where JB was hit with it in the *kitchen,or close by.Does anyone know why they would think that,other than the fl being left there?
IF she was hit with it in the kitchen or nearby area,it could be that BR saw or heard something?

 

[UKGuy]

I do have to agree that denying JonBenet medical attention when it's very clear she needs the ER *right now* turns the crime from a perhaps involuntary action into an intentional death. I'm still not sure the Rs were aware she was still alive, though, and that would also change the scenario.

Nuisanceposter,
Your daughter has just been injured, she is unconscious, do you phone ER, or dump her down in the basement?

It was intended for JonBenet to die, thats why the staging reflects a murder.


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[UKGuy]

In PMPT,it says LE thought the head injury was from the flashlight,where JB was hit with it in the *kitchen,or close by.Does anyone know why they would think that,other than the fl being left there?
IF she was hit with it in the kitchen or nearby area,it could be that BR saw or heard something?

JMO8778,

Probably because it fits the indentation on her skull, and the flashlight was wiped clean.

It is precisely because JonBenet has all these distinct injuries, she may have been strangled more than once, she was bashed on the head and sexually assaulted, that tells you this is overkill, the violence exceeds that of a parent being angry, and reflects more someone wanting to make sure JonBenet will never talk again.


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[Solace]

Nuisanceposter,
Your daughter has just been injured, she is unconscious, do you phone ER, or dump her down in the basement?

It was intended for JonBenet to die, thats why the staging reflects a murder.


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Welllllllll, if I had slammed her against the bathtub and heard her head crack in two, AS I BELIEVE PATSY DID, SHE PROBABLY DECIDED THEN AND THERE THAT SHE WOULD BE GOING TO PRISON BECAUSE JONBENET AINT GONNA MAKE IT.

 

[Solace]

In PMPT,it says LE thought the head injury was from the flashlight,where JB was hit with it in the *kitchen,or close by.Does anyone know why they would think that,other than the fl being left there?
IF she was hit with it in the kitchen or nearby area,it could be that BR saw or heard something?

It could be that he knows more but is not sure. I think he did not see anything and he was in bed when it happened. I think it was after JB went to bed or was put in bed - somewhere around that time. He said he heard creaking and noises during the night.

 

[rashomon]

It was intended for JonBenet to die, thats why the staging reflects a murder.

Imo Patsy wanted to save her hide, that's why the scene was staged like a murder by an intruder.

 

[UKGuy]

Imo Patsy wanted to save her hide, that's why the scene was staged like a murder by an intruder.

rashomon,

Assuming it was Patsy and not John.

Save her hide and not JonBenet's life, you reckon JonBenet's injuries were all inflicted at once or were they inflicted separately?


Did JonBenet fall down and die immediately, or was she assaulted further to make sure she was dead?

Dead people cannot talk thats why JonBenet was killed.



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[Solace]

JMO8778,

Probably because it fits the indentation on her skull, and the flashlight was wiped clean.

It is precisely because JonBenet has all these distinct injuries, she may have been strangled more than once, she was bashed on the head and sexually assaulted, that tells you this is overkill, the violence exceeds that of a parent being angry, and reflects more someone wanting to make sure JonBenet will never talk again.


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Dr. Spitz I believe is the person who said it fits. But he did not do that experiment until much later in the case.

 

[Ames]

No, because then they WOULD HAVE sought medical treatment. All three would have seen it.

I agree... now THAT would have been a genuine ACCIDENT.

 

[Toltec]

This thread is about John remarrying....let's keep to the subject.

 

[Solace]

This thread is about John remarrying....let's keep to the subject.

I like you Toltec. You make me laugh.

 

[rashomon]

This thread is about John remarrying....let's keep to the subject.

You are right, Toltec. Sorry for running off topic.

[UKGuy, I'm going to answer to your last post on the forensic evidence thread, for it fits better there]

 

[JMO8778]

It could be that he knows more but is not sure. I think he did not see anything and he was in bed when it happened. I think it was after JB went to bed or was put in bed - somewhere around that time. He said he heard creaking and noises during the night.

could be but since he was obviously coached to lie,I have to wonder if that's the truth,or what they told him to say.hearing creaking and noises would fit more the intruder scenerio,which is just what they wanted ppl to think.
and I have to wonder why he wasn't afraid..did he see or hear something and he blocked it out? and then his subconcious mind told him not to be afraid,bc whatever was going on with JB wasn't with him.so no need to be afraid.

 

[Ames]

This thread is about John remarrying....let's keep to the subject.

You are right...I had actually forgotten what the thread was about..LOL

 

[Solace]

could be but since he was obviously coached to lie,I have to wonder if that's the truth,or what they told him to say.hearing creaking and noises would fit more the intruder scenerio,which is just what they wanted ppl to think.
and I have to wonder why he wasn't afraid..did he see or hear something and he blocked it out? and then his subconcious mind told him not to be afraid,bc whatever was going on with JB wasn't with him.so no need to be afraid.

I just do not think he consciously knows anything. I do not think John or Patsy would let him know anything and if they suspected he did, they would keep it from him at all costs. He was 10. They are not going to let him know a thing, nothing.

I would love to know what he knows. He is a human; he has to have thought about it in some way or another. Has to have.

 

[Ames]

I just do not think he consciously knows anything. I do not think John or Patsy would let him know anything and if they suspected he did, they would keep it from him at all costs. He was 10. They are not going to let him know a thing, nothing.

I would love to know what he knows. He is a human; he has to have thought about it in some way or another. Has to have.

According to Patsy he doesn't.

 

[JMO8778]

I just do not think he consciously knows anything. I do not think John or Patsy would let him know anything and if they suspected he did, they would keep it from him at all costs. He was 10. They are not going to let him know a thing, nothing.

I would love to know what he knows. He is a human; he has to have thought about it in some way or another. Has to have.

What I mean is,did he witness JB being shaken up, or what,if more?Did PR and JB get into an argument and he overheard some of it?
I agree,I'm guessing he rationalizes it somehow at this age though.I don't think he'll always be able to do so.I don't know what they told him at age 10, but I'm guessing it was something along the lines of what they'd likely say to an even younger child,although in a more mature way...'you have to lie b/c the bad ppl want to send us to jail' type of thing.I don't know how they'd phrase it to him but I think they found a way,without talking to him like he was a toddler.